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A male with a vagina.If someone has XY chromosomes. It’s a male. That’s science. And it’s reported that is the case here regardless of what you call rags. What happened to follow the science??
Well it was reported that Khelif tested with both X and Y chronozones which only males have. The International Boxing Commission,Update:
Khelif is not a transgender athlete. She was born female but has a disorder of sex development (DSD) that results in XY chromosomes and testosterone levels similar to those of male athletes.
Just like Caster Semenya was deemed a woman. However, he's gone on to father children. These individuals are males with DSDs. These types of individuals have long been used by various countries and allowed to compete by the IOC to make a farce of women's sports, because everyone knows they aren't really women. It's all about ensuring a win is in the bag for their respective countries, and they couldn't care less about fairness, integrity, safety, and women's sports. They've always known. I respect and stand with the IBA who has the only common sense position designed to protect women and women's sports. IBA reaffirms the position and removal of boxers from all events, aims to protect female boxers, and condemns both the International Olympic Committee and World Boxing for allowing ineligible athletes to competeWell it was reported that Khelif tested with both X and Y chronozones which only males have. The International Boxing Commission,
banned her from boxing as a woman.
If she had only female genitalia, she is still a male because of the chronozones. However, that doesn't make a
difference and she went through puberty as a male and had male strength and features. She should not be competing
against women in the boxing ring.
Yes, it’s essentially a birth defect. She is still, technically speaking, a male.Update:
Khelif is not a transgender athlete. She was born female but has a disorder of sex development (DSD) that results in XY chromosomes and testosterone levels similar to those of male athletes.
Ok...Well it was reported that Khelif tested with both X and Y chronozones which only males have. The International Boxing Commission,
banned her from boxing as a woman.
If she had only female genitalia, she is still a male because of the chronozones. However, that doesn't make a
difference and she went through puberty as a male and had male strength and features. She should not be competing
against women in the boxing ring.
Ok, Riles.Yes, it’s essentially a birth defect. She is still, technically speaking, a male.
I found these comments very interesting:
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That still does not negate the fact that the strength of her hits equal the force of a male athlete. It does not matter how good or bad she is. Her strength alone could seriously hurt her female competitor that does not hold the strength, size, or tolerance Khelif does. It’s not a fair fight anyway you cut it. If this is overlooked then they should overlook drugging. People train for years for these events. It should be a level playing field. It’s just common sense. Talent and chromosomes are two very different things.Here's the thing:
Carnini, God love her, not a great fighter (84 and 23) by international standards.
Also, she didn't look like she was in good shape.
Also, a southpaw like her needs to keep her right up. She didn't and got hit, hard.
One of those things.
I mean, she’s still living as a woman, she’s just intersex. I can’t tell someone in that situation what to do.Ok, Riles.
Can she use the men's locker room, a public men bathroom, remove her breast, change out her pelvic hardware?
Can she do this and you be ok with it ?
Hey, it's a birth defect, we get to correct those, don't we ?
And.....
What if she'd just rather go through life as a woman, she has the parts, she can have children, maybe she wants to.
Can she do THAT, if she wants to ?
This woman has lost 9 times in the ring (most to the Irish, hmmmm......maybe there is something about those IRISH fighters we should stick our nose into)
Riles:I mean, she’s still living as a woman, she’s just intersex. I can’t tell someone in that situation what to do.
I don’t know if I used the correct term:Riles:
Got a reference on her being intersexed ?
Every reference I have says she's not.
Both of these boxers were tested by two independent laboratories that showed xy results with the IBA. Their sex chromosomes were tested, not their testosterone. Lin could have appealed but did not challenge it and was disqualified. Khelif challenged the disqualification and then withdrew the appeal before it could go to the court. It's because, even though they likely have a DSD and were raised as female, they aren't female in the least. They didn't want this information to get out so they could go on to compete in the Olympics. The IOC stopped testing for sex chromosomes in 1999. They aren't actually female at all. That's the entire story.Riles:
Got a reference on her being intersexed ?
Every reference I have says she's not.
As far as I understand Imane Khelif has been tested genetically and was found to have an xy chromosome. That should automatically disqualify Khelif. Some are saying its a 'Difference in Sex Development (DSD). That implies something along the line of an intersex problem. But I think usually most are either male or female. There can only be two gametes and you can't be both.The Olympic Committee approved two male boxers to fight as ‘women’ after previously failing gender tests and being disqualified for having male chromosomes: Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan and Imane Khelif of Algeria.
Lin Yu-Ting, Imane KhelifYouTube
PARIS (LifeSiteNews) — “This is France!” Emmanuel Macron crowed on X as the Olympic Opening Ceremony in Paris unfolded. That, unfortunately, was what everyone was afraid of.
The ceremony featured a blasphemous representation of the Last Supper, featuring drag queens as the disciples and Barbara Butch, an overweight lesbian DJ, as the Lord Jesus Christ. The International Olympics Committee has already issued a pseudo-apology and deleted the video from its YouTube channel, but Butch was quite clear that this was a deliberate inversion.
There was more, but suffice it to say that after that ceremony, it is no surprise that the Olympic Committee has approved two male athletes to compete as “women” who were previously disqualified from the Women’s World Boxing Championships in March 2023 in New Delhi, India, for having “XY chromosomes”: Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan and Imane Khelif of Algeria. At the time, president of the International Boxing Association (IBA) Umar Kremley announced that a number of boxers were being disqualified after “a series of DNA-tests” conducted “uncovered athletes who were trying to fool their colleagues and pretend to be women.”
IBA released a public statement announcing that “a boxer from Algeria, Imane Khelif, was excluded from the IBA World Boxing Championships due to the failure to meet the IBA eligibility criteria.” The Algerian Olympic Committee called the IBA’s decision a “conspiracy” to deny Algeria a gold medal and noted at the time that they hoped Khelif could fight in the Paris Olympics.
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Olympics allegedly approves two men to box against women after opening ceremony scandal - LifeSite
The Olympic Committee approved two allegedly male boxers to fight as ‘women’ after previously failing gender tests and being disqualified for having male chromosomes: Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan and Imane Khelif of Algeria.www.lifesitenews.com
OK so you favor males with X,Y chromosomes competing in women's sports.Ok...
First of all, it's the International Boxing Council, not the International Boxing Commission.
Secondly, the International Boxing Council didn't ban her, The International Boxing Association did.
I know it's hard to keep these boxing organization straight but accuracy is important in this conversation.
Third, in is the considered opinion of the International Olympic Council as well as most of the press the follows boxing, that the decision was arbitrary and capricious. This is why the IBA is no longer in charge of international boxing events. The IBA has ties to the Russian Government and Gazprom and has a far amount of corruption going on (even by boxing standards).
Here's the problem:
Structurally, (which is to say outward physical appearance) Imane Khelif is a woman. She always has been. Nothing in here history points to her being transsexual nor intersexed. There are pictures her and her little sister all from when she was a child all over the 'net. She is the pride of Algria. The Algrian goverment is backing her as a women pretty hard.
She's been defeated in the ring 9 times (by women) and lost twice in the quarter and semi-finals to Irish boxers (Should we check the female Irish boxing team for external genitalia ?)
She's got an extra X chromosome. These things happen. More often than you'd expect. She can't help it, she was born that way.
Now:
On this board, if Ms Khelif wanted to remove her breasts (Yes she has them) and sway out her pelvic parts and say (I wanna be a man !!) There'd be general hysteria. The usual insults and invectives would be tossed around, and the usual press would write the usual articles.
If this woman just wants to be a female athlete. Well, now we have hysteria again. She's a man, not a woman, the usual insults and the usual invective from the usual people and press.
This person can't be a man, but isn't a woman and can't possibly associate or participate in the usual activities that any person should be allowed to do.
And we're all going to be in hysterics about it no matter what she does. Because, why exactly ?
This is just bullying.
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