OCD Unpardonable Sin Fear

[Tyler35]

Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I’ve had many terrible intrusive thoughts that I will not repeat, which occurred because my fear of the unpardonable sin. All in all what has helped me most is reading God’s Word instead of looking at all the hundreds of articles online. I read through the New Testament and highlighted MANY verses that show what could not occur if a person had committed the unpardonable sin. I did this because of all the different beliefs on the unpardonable sin and I wanted firm answers.

One very obvious thing from scripture (among the MANY) is you cannot believe in Jesus as your Savior, if you had committed the unpardonable sin; they are opposites. I am not saying I know 100% what the unpardonable sin is, but from scripture I can say with 100% that if you believe in Jesus Christ, then you have not committed it.

I do still struggle sometimes, which shows me even more that this is OCD.

I would like to ask though, pretty much every article I’ve read on religious OCD is about “thoughts, thoughts thoughts thoughts.” My fear has been for about a year - what if I said the unpardonable sin out loud?

Are there OCD articles that address this? I feel good on my walk with Christ, but there’s an ongoing worry of, what if I did say the unpardonable sin out loud? There is one specific time I keep going back to in my head, and I just can’t figure out what I said out loud, and it bothers me.

 

[public hermit]

I'm sorry you're struggling with obsessive thoughts. I know what you're going through as I've struggled with scruples myself. Firstly, the mere fact you're worried is sufficient for knowing you have not committed some unforgivable sin. Secondly, there are articles online about OCD, but my suggestion is talk to a specialist in your area if possible. This is not an unknown experience, and there are people who can help. If that is not possible, learn to trust your better voices; they're generally right. Your bad intuitions are almost without fail statistically uninteresting, but our magnifying minds enlarge them grossly out of proportion.


Or, use the Jesus Prayer to occupy your mind (and heart). Jesus Prayer - Wikipedia

 

[Tyler35]

I'm sorry you're struggling with obsessive thoughts. I know what you're going through as I've struggled with scruples myself. Firstly, the mere fact you're worried is sufficient for knowing you have not committed some unforgivable sin. Secondly, there are articles online about OCD, but my suggestion is talk to a specialist in your area if possible. This is not an unknown experience, and there are people who can help. If that is not possible, learn to trust your better voices; they're generally right. Your bad intuitions are almost without fail statistically uninteresting, but our magnifying minds enlarge them grossly out of proportion.


Or, use the Jesus Prayer to occupy your mind (and heart). Jesus Prayer - Wikipedia

Thank you sibling in Christ. I understand that the unpardonable sin is a common fear particularly amongst Christians with OCD. My prayers do go out to everyone else, and at the same time it is comforting to know I’m not alone in the fear.


I still get caught up in the word “thought” though. What if I actually did say it? That’s what worries me cause I can’t figure out if I did or not. I don’t think I did, but “what if”. I do understand that this whole loop of trying to figure this out is categorically OCD; but I guess I’m trying to figure out if it’s normal for OCDers in this type of loop, to worry if they accidentally said it out loud or not, instead of only worrying about the intrusive thoughts themselves. I know there are other OCDers that have essentially identical worries as me, but I can’t figure out if this is a common OCD theme, or if most others only have the intrusive thought issues.

Do you know the answer to this?

 

[d taylor]

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You can not or anyone else can not commit this sin that is found in Matthew 12

 

[eleos1954]

Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I’ve had many terrible intrusive thoughts that I will not repeat, which occurred because my fear of the unpardonable sin. All in all what has helped me most is reading God’s Word instead of looking at all the hundreds of articles online. I read through the New Testament and highlighted MANY verses that show what could not occur if a person had committed the unpardonable sin. I did this because of all the different beliefs on the unpardonable sin and I wanted firm answers.

One very obvious thing from scripture (among the MANY) is you cannot believe in Jesus as your Savior, if you had committed the unpardonable sin; they are opposites. I am not saying I know 100% what the unpardonable sin is, but from scripture I can say with 100% that if you believe in Jesus Christ, then you have not committed it.

I do still struggle sometimes, which shows me even more that this is OCD.

I would like to ask though, pretty much every article I’ve read on religious OCD is about “thoughts, thoughts thoughts thoughts.” My fear has been for about a year - what if I said the unpardonable sin out loud?

Are there OCD articles that address this? I feel good on my walk with Christ, but there’s an ongoing worry of, what if I did say the unpardonable sin out loud? There is one specific time I keep going back to in my head, and I just can’t figure out what I said out loud, and it bothers me.

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

Matthew 12:31–32, ESV

So long as we earnestly seek Him and want to do His will, we can be forgiven.

But if we consistently insist on defying Him and going our own way, despite the Holy Spirit’s efforts to draw us back, we shut off our conscience. We doom ourselves to a life without God. Without forgiveness.

It's how ones life is trending .... towards Christ or away from Him .... if it is away from Him and one continues in that ... at some point God
will remove His Holy Spirit. We are constantly being sanctified by the Holy Spirt and need to heed His teachings. We will mess up here and there. Basically it's knowing what sin is and choosing to live in it ... unwilling to change.

It's not one thing one might say or do .... it's one's overall life style ... trending towards Christ or not.

What ever this is that makes you think you committed blasphemy is not blasphemy .... if it were you wouldn't be concerned about it ... you wouldn't have a guilty conscience about it.

 

[Mari17]

Thank you sibling in Christ. I understand that the unpardonable sin is a common fear particularly amongst Christians with OCD. My prayers do go out to everyone else, and at the same time it is comforting to know I’m not alone in the fear.


I still get caught up in the word “thought” though. What if I actually did say it? That’s what worries me cause I can’t figure out if I did or not. I don’t think I did, but “what if”. I do understand that this whole loop of trying to figure this out is categorically OCD; but I guess I’m trying to figure out if it’s normal for OCDers in this type of loop, to worry if they accidentally said it out loud or not, instead of only worrying about the intrusive thoughts themselves. I know there are other OCDers that have essentially identical worries as me, but I can’t figure out if this is a common OCD theme, or if most others only have the intrusive thought issues.

Do you know the answer to this?

I have heard of other people with OCD worrying about this same thing! If you are looking for a support group that has a lot of people who are knowledgeable about OCD, I recommend the Facebook group Christianity and Anxiety Disorders. You might be able to ask some of your questions there as well, and hopefully get some good advice.

 

[Tyler35]

I have heard of other people with OCD worrying about this same thing! If you are looking for a support group that has a lot of people who are knowledgeable about OCD, I recommend the Facebook group Christianity and Anxiety Disorders. You might be able to ask some of your questions there as well, and hopefully get some good advice.

Thank you Mari!

 

[Tyler35]

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

Matthew 12:31–32, ESV

So long as we earnestly seek Him and want to do His will, we can be forgiven.

But if we consistently insist on defying Him and going our own way, despite the Holy Spirit’s efforts to draw us back, we shut off our conscience. We doom ourselves to a life without God. Without forgiveness.

It's how ones life is trending .... towards Christ or away from Him .... if it is away from Him and one continues in that ... at some point God
will remove His Holy Spirit. We are constantly being sanctified by the Holy Spirt and need to heed His teachings. We will mess up here and there. Basically it's knowing what sin is and choosing to live in it ... unwilling to change.

It's not one thing one might say or do .... it's one's overall life style ... trending towards Christ or not.

What ever this is that makes you think you committed blasphemy is not blasphemy .... if it were you wouldn't be concerned about it ... you wouldn't have a guilty conscience about it.

Thank you sibling. Deep down in my heart I really don’t believe I committed it. I know God has me in His loving embrace. Reading His Word proves this to me, with multitudes of verses showing I am saved. I just get fears every now and again, and during those times I get in my head a lot; strictly speaking this is caused in part by OCD.

I appreciate your caring response thoroughly, thank you and God Bless You!

 

[ozso]

The closest you can come to committing the unforgivable sin, is to deny Jesus is lord and savior with all your heart. Needless to say when Jesus is completely denied, salvation isn't possible, because it's being intentionally rejected.

Put another way, the unforgivable sin is intentionally rejecting Christ.

It's not any kind of a slip of the tongue incantation that one can say or think to undo their salvation.

 

[Tyler35]

The closest you can come to committing the unforgivable sin, is to deny Jesus is lord and savior with all your heart. Needless to say when Jesus is completely denied, salvation isn't possible, because it's being intentionally rejected.

Put another way, the unforgivable sin is intentionally rejecting Christ.

It's not any kind of a slip of the tongue incantation that one can say or think to undo their salvation.

Thank you, sibling in Christ!

 

[Sabertooth]

Are there OCD articles that address this? I feel good on my walk with Christ, but there’s an ongoing worry of, what if I did say the unpardonable sin out loud? There is one specific time I keep going back to in my head, and I just can’t figure out what I said out loud, and it bothers me.

You cannot out-argue intrusive thoughts.
You must deal with them ruthlessly by:

1. getting under the care of a psychiatrist (not just a psychologist) &
2. getting involved with a church that is good at dealing with mental illnesses.

The Church & Mental Illness...

These USA churches are good at dealing with mental illnesses (such as schizophrenia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, etc.), Vineyard, Assembly of God, Foursquare Church (Links above are locators.) They are present in other countries, as well...

www.christianforums.com

 

[eleos1954]

Thank you sibling. Deep down in my heart I really don’t believe I committed it. I know God has me in His loving embrace. Reading His Word proves this to me, with multitudes of verses showing I am saved. I just get fears every now and again, and during those times I get in my head a lot; strictly speaking this is caused in part by OCD.

I appreciate your caring response thoroughly, thank you and God Bless You!

We all have bizarre thoughts at times ... we just should not dwell on them (dismiss them) ... instead dwell on the Love of God. Try changing your focus on the Love of God ... and I think actually your OCD can be a great benefit to you by changing your focus. There is no fear in love. Rest in His love for you.

May the Love of God fill your mind and heart and bring you peace. In Jesus name, Amen.

 

[Tyler35]

We all have bizarre thoughts at times ... we just should not dwell on them (dismiss them) ... instead dwell on the Love of God. Try changing your focus on the Love of God ... and I think actually your OCD can be a great benefit to you by changing your focus. There is no fear in love. Rest in His love for you.

May the Love of God fill your mind and heart and bring you peace. In Jesus name, Amen.

Amen

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

I'm sorry you're struggling with obsessive thoughts. I know what you're going through as I've struggled with scruples myself. Firstly, the mere fact you're worried is sufficient for knowing you have not committed some unforgivable sin. Secondly, there are articles online about OCD, but my suggestion is talk to a specialist in your area if possible. This is not an unknown experience, and there are people who can help. If that is not possible, learn to trust your better voices; they're generally right. Your bad intuitions are almost without fail statistically uninteresting, but our magnifying minds enlarge them grossly out of proportion.


Or, use the Jesus Prayer to occupy your mind (and heart). Jesus Prayer - Wikipedia

the unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ until death the pharisees did call Jesus possessed but that sentence wasn't what got them to hell it was the fact that no matter what they rejected Christ even to the point of when he was in their face they didn't see and since we are saints as we are saved we won't ever commit it friend

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I’ve had many terrible intrusive thoughts that I will not repeat, which occurred because my fear of the unpardonable sin. All in all what has helped me most is reading God’s Word instead of looking at all the hundreds of articles online. I read through the New Testament and highlighted MANY verses that show what could not occur if a person had committed the unpardonable sin. I did this because of all the different beliefs on the unpardonable sin and I wanted firm answers.

One very obvious thing from scripture (among the MANY) is you cannot believe in Jesus as your Savior, if you had committed the unpardonable sin; they are opposites. I am not saying I know 100% what the unpardonable sin is, but from scripture I can say with 100% that if you believe in Jesus Christ, then you have not committed it.

I do still struggle sometimes, which shows me even more that this is OCD.

I would like to ask though, pretty much every article I’ve read on religious OCD is about “thoughts, thoughts thoughts thoughts.” My fear has been for about a year - what if I said the unpardonable sin out loud?

Are there OCD articles that address this? I feel good on my walk with Christ, but there’s an ongoing worry of, what if I did say the unpardonable sin out loud? There is one specific time I keep going back to in my head, and I just can’t figure out what I said out loud, and it bothers me.

the unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ until death the pharisees did call Jesus possessed but that sentence wasn't what got them to hell it was the fact that no matter what they rejected Christ even to the point of when he was in their face they didn't see and since we are saints as we are saved we won't ever commit it friend i have severe ocd lucifer used it to strip me of my emotions mostly since i was mentally ill from a family death he nearly destroyed me but i grew in Christ and i understood it takes time i even need that reminder that it takes time alot of the time i need the reminder lol but as i am still far from being away from my old self i know Jesus is changing us. for example i had a bible i didn't read because i had a bad eye but yet when asked i could answer certain questions perfectly about the bible and god i even didn't know but i soon noticed it was god who spoke through me. but the point is we are saved and nothing will change it no thoughts or words we are saved and will be in paradise

 

[public hermit]

the unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ until death the pharisees did call Jesus possessed but that sentence wasn't what got them to hell it was the fact that no matter what they rejected Christ even to the point of when he was in their face they didn't see and since we are saints as we are saved we won't ever commit it friend

This ain't the section for theological debate.

 

[Tyler35]

the unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ until death the pharisees did call Jesus possessed but that sentence wasn't what got them to hell it was the fact that no matter what they rejected Christ even to the point of when he was in their face they didn't see and since we are saints as we are saved we won't ever commit it friend i have severe ocd lucifer used it to strip me of my emotions mostly since i was mentally ill from a family death he nearly destroyed me but i grew in Christ and i understood it takes time i even need that reminder that it takes time alot of the time i need the reminder lol but as i am still far from being away from my old self i know Jesus is changing us. for example i had a bible i didn't read because i had a bad eye but yet when asked i could answer certain questions perfectly about the bible and god i even didn't know but i soon noticed it was god who spoke through me. but the point is we are saved and nothing will change it no thoughts or words we are saved and will be in paradise

Amen, brother

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

This ain't the section for theological debate.

it wasn't a debate mate

 

[TBoss]

Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I’ve had many terrible intrusive thoughts that I will not repeat, which occurred because my fear of the unpardonable sin. All in all what has helped me most is reading God’s Word instead of looking at all the hundreds of articles online. I read through the New Testament and highlighted MANY verses that show what could not occur if a person had committed the unpardonable sin. I did this because of all the different beliefs on the unpardonable sin and I wanted firm answers.

One very obvious thing from scripture (among the MANY) is you cannot believe in Jesus as your Savior, if you had committed the unpardonable sin; they are opposites. I am not saying I know 100% what the unpardonable sin is, but from scripture I can say with 100% that if you believe in Jesus Christ, then you have not committed it.

I do still struggle sometimes, which shows me even more that this is OCD.

I would like to ask though, pretty much every article I’ve read on religious OCD is about “thoughts, thoughts thoughts thoughts.” My fear has been for about a year - what if I said the unpardonable sin out loud?

Are there OCD articles that address this? I feel good on my walk with Christ, but there’s an ongoing worry of, what if I did say the unpardonable sin out loud? There is one specific time I keep going back to in my head, and I just can’t figure out what I said out loud, and it bothers me.

A lot of times, the Holy Spirit speaks to us through our inner voice/thoughts, guess what, so do Demons. The key is to distinguish, who is giving you the thoughts. If it's an unwanted thought, chances are these are coming from Satan and his demons, because you never wanted the thoughts in the first place. The thoughts are meant to tire you and drain you and fill you with worry and anxiety which a lot of times prevent you from moving forward in your relationship with the Lord.

What I would do in that case is just ignore the thoughts and let them pass. You know and God knows the thoughts are not coming from you. The bible states that Satan and his angels were cast to the earth where they now operate. Also remember the story where Jesus told Simon Peter "Get behind me Satan", which implies that Satan injected thoughts into Peters mind.

Another example is the story where kind David took a census of the fighting men of Israel, one translations says that Satan incited David to take a census, likely through thoughts: Bible Gateway passage: 1 Chronicles 21 - New King James Version Why would the bible tell us to take every thought captive? It is because Satan and demons can inject evil thoughts into our minds, but we can choose how to react to them.

A good thing to do also is to just ask the Lord to forgive you for any occult activity by you or your ancestors. Renounce any involvement by you or your ancestors in e.g. Witchcraft, astral projection, satanism, Voodoo, tarot card readings, palm readings, fortunate teller visits, engagement with spiritual mediums, Yoga, Buddhism, Eastern Religions, etc. If you are not sure that you ancestors were involved in these, I would just confess them anyway and ask the Lord to forgive you for any of these. All these things can open doors to the enemy to oppress us in our thought life. Once you have confessed and asked for forgiveness, command any evil spirits verbally leave in the name of Jesus. I recently published my book which may be of help to you. It can be found at: Amazon.com

I hope that you will find peace soon