Nine boxes of Biden documents were taken from Boston office

[Valletta]

Despite having possession of the documents since November, the Archives has not yet reviewed the boxes' content to determine whether additional classified materials are inside.

"NARA has not reviewed the contents of the boxes found at Mr. Moore’s Boston office," Wall states in the letter dated Tuesday.

Nine boxes of Biden documents were taken from Boston office

The National Archives disclosed in a response letter to Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., this week that nine boxes of documents were picked up in President Biden's lawyer's Boston office.

www.foxnews.com

Time was supposedly so important to find classified documents that they raided Trump's residence and rifled through the personal effects of his family members. Now it turns out that NARA had documents from Biden before the election and has not got around to examining those documents to this day.

 

[JosephZ]

Time was supposedly so important to find classified documents that they raided Trump's residence and rifled through the personal effects of his family members. Now it turns out that NARA had documents from Biden before the election and has not got around to examining those documents to this day.

The difference is that Biden and his attorneys have been fully cooperating with the DOJ and the NARA. That was not not the case with Trump and his attorneys. The boxes found at Mr. Moore’s Boston office are already in the possession of the NARA and are secure, so there's no need to rush to find out what they contain.

 

[godisagardener]

The difference is that Biden and his attorneys have been fully cooperating with the DOJ and the NARA. That was not not the case with Trump and his attorneys. The boxes found at Mr. Moore’s Boston office are already in the possession of the NARA and are secure, so there's no need to rush to find out what they contain.

Really? Why is there no rush? That makes no sense at all. I'm not defending either Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump. But nine boxes of documents, retained at an attorney's office before the national elections in November, and there's no rush to find out what is contained in them?

According to the article, NARA was informed about the extra boxes when they contacted the attorney's office to pick up other boxes. Sounds like neither the attorney nor Mr. Biden rushed to reach out and inform NARA of those boxes. Or anyone else for that matter.

Interestingly, this is the first I've heard of this from any of the national press sources in the US. First I heard of it was from an Australian news agency...

 

[USincognito]

Despite having possession of the documents since November, the Archives has not yet reviewed the boxes' content to determine whether additional classified materials are inside.

NARA has the documents and they are secure. What's the problem?

Time was supposedly so important to find classified documents that they raided Trump's residence and rifled through the personal effects of his family members. Now it turns out that NARA had documents from Biden before the election and has not got around to examining those documents to this day.

There was no "raid" at Donald's hotel, and they'd been trying to get the docs back from him FOR OVER A YEAR! That was what precipitated the search warrant. If Donald had cooperated, like President Biden and Vice President Pence have, there wouldn't have been a search warrant.

 

[Valletta]

Really? Why is there no rush? That makes no sense at all. I'm not defending either Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump. But nine boxes of documents, retained at an attorney's office before the national elections in November, and there's no rush to find out what is contained in them?

According to the article, NARA was informed about the extra boxes when they contacted the attorney's office to pick up other boxes. Sounds like neither the attorney nor Mr. Biden rushed to reach out and inform NARA of those boxes. Or anyone else for that matter.

Interestingly, this is the first I've heard of this from any of the national press sources in the US. First I heard of it was from an Australian news agency...

Yes, I too check British and Australian news for information about the U.S. I've worked with U.S. major media before, it is next to impossible to get a correction when they get their facts wrong, let alone leaving out critical facts.

 

[rturner76]

There was no "raid" at Donald's hotel, and they'd been trying to get the docs back from him FOR OVER A YEAR! That was what precipitated the search warrant. If Donald had cooperated, like President Biden and Vice President Pence have, there wouldn't have been a search warrant.

That's the thing with Don's hiding of documents. He didn't give them up when they were asked for and we can only conclude that he was selling classified documents to the highest bidders.

 

[JosephZ]

Really? Why is there no rush? That makes no sense at all. I'm not defending either Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump. But nine boxes of documents, retained at an attorney's office before the national elections in November, and there's no rush to find out what is contained in them?

According to this article clasified documents are not believed to be in the boxes.

As the National Archives became aware of classified documents in President Joe Biden's old office in Washington, Archives officials also took custody of papers that had been shipped to a law office in Boston by the president's personal attorney, according to emails released Friday.

No classified documents were believed to be in the Boston documents. But the emails show Archives officials were concerned enough to take them into their possession.

"Pat, we would like to pick up the boxes that are in your Boston office and move them to the JFK Library. Would it be possible to do that tomorrow?" Archives General Counsel Gary Stern wrote to Pat Moore, one of Biden's lawyers handling the preservation of the documents, in a Nov. 8, 2022, email.

That note was among a series of emails released under a Freedom of Information request from The Associated Press and more than two dozen other entities. The notes do not go into detail on why the Archives would have sought the material that was sent to Boston. But a person familiar with the matter said Moore had been packing up papers at the Penn Biden Center, a Washington think tank where Biden had an office, that could be of use for a potential future presidential library, mostly personal details about Biden's family.

Archives wanted Boston Biden docs, not believed classified

National Archives officials took custody of papers that had been shipped to a law office in Boston.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DaisyDay]

That's the thing with Don's hiding of documents. He didn't give them up when they were asked for and we can only conclude that he was selling classified documents to the highest bidders.

No, I don't think he was selling anything yet but he is a hoarder. I do believe he may have held on to stuff he thought might be useful later.

 

[rturner76]

No, I don't think he was selling anything yet but he is a hoarder. I do believe he may have held on to stuff he thought might be useful later.

I was under the impression that he was hoarding documents for their later sale to our enemies.

 

[FenderTL5]

I was under the impression that he was hoarding documents for their later sale to our enemies.

I think he was intending to sell as memorabilia to the highest bidder. That an enemy may be the purchaser probably never entered his thoughts. I don't think he was that sinister but simply greedy and niave at the thought of dollar signs.

 

[rturner76]

I think he was intending to sell as memorabilia to the highest bidder. That an enemy may be the purchaser probably never entered his thoughts. I don't think he was that sinister but simply greedy and niave at the thought of dollar signs.

I wouldn't disagree other than he seemed to be saving them for a special buyer though that could be the highest bidder.

 

[DaisyDay]

I was under the impression that he was hoarding documents for their later sale to our enemies.

I don't believe that he was necessarily going to sell the papers to our enemies, just to the highest bidder. He also wanted some stuff, such as the Kim Jong-un love letters, for showing off to visitors.

I think he was intending to sell as memorabilia to the highest bidder. That an enemy may be the purchaser probably never entered his thoughts. I don't think he was that sinister but simply greedy and niave at the thought of dollar signs.

I mostly agree, but I think he simply doesn't care whether someone is an enemy of the USA, as long as they are good to Trump.

 

[Say it aint so]

Time was supposedly so important to find classified documents that they raided Trump's residence and rifled through the personal effects of his family members. Now it turns out that NARA had documents from Biden before the election and has not got around to examining those documents to this day.

Do you really have to ask that question? Mar a Largo, replete with spies being found meandering about, along with one president who is known to just blurt out top secrets, is a intelligence protection nightmare.

 

[rturner76]

I mostly agree, but I think he simply doesn't care whether someone is an enemy of the USA, as long as they are good to Trump

I agree that his intention may not have been to sell specifically to our enemies but I don't think it would matter to him who it was as long as he got top dollar.

 

[DaisyDay]

I agree that his intention may not have been to sell specifically to our enemies but I don't think it would matter to him who it was as long as he got top dollar.

Yeah, okay - I buy that.

 

[Valletta]

Do you really have to ask that question? Mar a Largo, replete with spies being found meandering about, along with one president who is known to just blurt out top secrets, is a intelligence protection nightmare.

I haven't heard the Secret Service complain, and all Trump was requested to do was put a better lock on the door--which he did at his own expense. Contrast that with Joe who kept classified documents in his garage.

 

[USincognito]

I haven't head the Secret Service complained,

The Secret Service has nothing to do with government documents.

and all Trump was requested to do was put a better lock on the door--which he did at his own expense.

That was a request by NARA as they were trying to get the documents back. Donald was asked repeatedly to return the documents he stole and he refused repeatedly. That is why NARA went to the DOJ.

Contrast that with Joe who kept classified documents in his garage.

There's no evidence that President Biden purposely placed documents in his garage for storage. That's an even more dishonest spin than claiming Donald could keep the docs he stole because he declassified them with his mind.

 

[Valletta]

There's no evidence that President Biden purposely placed documents in his garage for storage. That's an even more dishonest spin than claiming Donald could keep the docs he stole because he declassified them with his mind.

Please don't call me dishonest. Joe had access to the classified documents, he has been caught with the classified documents in his own garage. Are you saying someone else besides Joe filched the documents and placed those document in Joe's garage? Joe's had plenty of time to try and blame someone else, he has not used that defense. It has been determined that Joe took national security material not from just his time as vice president, but from when he was a U.S. senator. Viewing classified documents as a senator is not routine, you have to go down to a lower level of the Capitol into a secure area and turn your phone over to the police.

 

[USincognito]

Please don't call me dishonest.

Don't post dishonest spin and I won't have to point out that it's dishonest.

Joe had access to the classified documents, he has been caught with the classified documents in his own garage.

See, you're doing it already. He was not "caught". That is a falsehood. After the daily briefings, or whatever, were found in the box at the Penn Biden Center, HE INITIATED a search of HIS OWN property and some more documents were found in storage space in his garage.

Are you saying someone else besides Joe filched the documents and placed those document in Joe's garage?

There you go again. No one is suggesting President Biden stole these documents any more than he stole the ones at Penn Biden Center. The appear to have been mixed in with personal effects and/or belongings when he left office in 2016 and wound up in a storage room where they've sat colleting dust for 6 years.

It has been determined that Joe took national security material

That is false. We have no idea what the two dozen documents are, nor their level of classification. We can safely conclude they are NOT matters of national security because NARA wasn't even aware of them, much less that they were missing. My personal conclusion is that the "VP Personal" envelope from Penn Biden Center had daily briefings and a GSA mover saw that and placed it in a box with other personal items. The one's in the garage of likely of a similar nature.

not from just his time as vice president, but from when he was a U.S. senator. Viewing classified documents as a senator is not routine, you have to go down to a lower level of the Capitol into a secure area and turn your phone over to the police.

Not every highly classified document is SCI and there is ZERO evidence that any of the two dozen docs that the President had are SCI. On other other hand, we know that a dozen or so of the docs that Donald stole are SCI.

 

[Valletta]

No one is suggesting President Biden stole these documents any more than he stole the ones at Penn Biden Center. The appear to have been mixed in with personal effects and/or belongings when he left office in 2016 and wound up in a storage room where they've sat colleting dust for 6 years.

That is false. We have no idea what the two dozen documents are, nor their level of classification. We can safely conclude they are NOT matters of national security because NARA wasn't even aware of them, much less that they were missing. My personal conclusion is that the "VP Personal" envelope from Penn Biden Center had daily briefings and a GSA mover saw that and placed it in a box with other personal items. The one's in the garage of likely of a similar nature.

Not every highly classified document is SCI and there is ZERO evidence that any of the two dozen docs that the President had are SCI. On other other hand, we know that a dozen or so of the docs that Donald stole are SCI.

False. It has been suggested the Joe Biden stole documents. There were many fake stories put out about President Trump, that he was selling nuclear secrets, etc. Now that the government has the documents that tale is hardly heard of. Documents are classified for national security reasons, no matter what the classification level. A president has full authority (with the exception of nuclear) to declassify documents, authority that a vice president or senator does not have. You misunderstand SCI. It is another level of classification, but what it does it limit the number of people with access. That does not mean it is more important that other documents. For example, Trump's location for the day schedule would have limited distribution, although such a list with an SCI classification was important to keep compartmentalized beforehand, the next day there would be no need because there would be no safety concerns. A document marked SCI saying that Trump visited a disaster site and a school on a given day three years before would be unimportant.