New stripes on the rainbow flag. Lucifer Fallen.

[Ohorseman]

A gray stripe should be added to the rainbow flag, for PORN ADDICTS. That is the right color because PORN makes you gray inside, so to speak. Just like gay pride, porn addicts are also products of a sinful culture, broken sexuality, and a political landscape that promotes sin.

Also, a white stripe needs to be added for those that are attracted to minors. White, because that represents the innocence of a child. Those people can't help the way they are wired either. Now, before you say the second idea is inappropriate due to the existing laws, remember that it was not that long ago that sodomy was actually against the law in many states. So, the age of consent laws might change as well. But maybe we should hold off on the white stripe until then.

I am being a little playful here, but really the topic is serious. Aren't those that accept gay pride, what we call accepting Christians or accepting churches, in reality accepting sin for (personal) political purposes & allowing politics to control their faith rather than the inverse?

My art is an analogy here. In this art I depict Satan. No longer does he have real wings of heaven, instead he has wings of sand. He holds his arms in a way that has a particular meaning. Certain Christians do this gesture when they have sinned and are not worthy to receive the Eucharist. Instead they receive a blessing. This gesture when done by a faithful Christian is a beautiful expression of humility and reverence. HOWEVER, you can see in my art that Satan makes this gesture with an arrogant face, with pride. It reminds me of gay pride, even feminist pride, in the church and how they ask that sin be blessed.

And it reminds me of us. Maybe we all have been too tolerant of sins in general, and gay pride is showing us something. I pray that the Holy Spirit fills us all, convicts us of our sins, all of them, and empowers us to walk in the spirit for a new life in Jesus Christ.

 

[Skye1300]

Very good post and very good points! But I was expecting satan to look a little more evil and devilish. LOL Other than that, I love it. Can you make one with the devil looking transgender and more evil and with wings that look like the gay pride flag? I wish I could draw or paint.

 

[Ohorseman]

Very good post and very good points! But I was expecting satan to look a little more evil and devilish. LOL Other than that, I love it. Can you make one with the devil looking transgender and more evil and with wings that look like the gay pride flag? I wish I could draw or paint.

I think you are joking with that idea. I suspect that because it is silly, LOL. To do such a thing, it might then become mere propaganda art, not to mention it would not be sound theologically. Maybe to some, Satan would look that way. To others he might look morbidly obese. To others he might look like a sexy, nude woman. To others he might look as if he were made of gold and precious stones. To others he might look like whiskey. To others... well, you get the point.

 

[samwise gamgee]

But I was expecting satan to look a little more evil and devilish.

Have you forgotten that Satan can appear as an angel of light?

 

[Skye1300]

Have you forgotten that Satan can appear as an angel of light?

That's true.

 

[tobyw]

Aren't those that accept gay pride, what we call accepting Christians or accepting churches, in reality accepting sin for (personal) political purposes & allowing politics to control their faith rather than the inverse?

I agree those churches are wrong. And I also don't believe that kind of identity politics is compatible with Christian teaching. In Christ neither Jew nor Greek, nor male nor female, nor Conservative or Liberal, nor gay or straight, etc.

That said, the Bible draws a clear line between the world within the church and the world outside of it. We are not to judge those outside of the church. So when you talk about "rather than the inverse", how can one rightly let their faith control politics? Is it right for Christians to try to use the law to stop homosexuals, as you point out the law used to do? How is that within our domain, when Paul writes we are not to judge those outside but those inside?

It is clear from the same passage that sexual sin is an excommunicable offense. But our dominion stays within the church, at least when it comes to seeking to use the law to Christianize anything.

 

[Ohorseman]

So when you talk about "rather than the inverse", how can one rightly let their faith control politics? Is it right for Christians to try to use the law to stop homosexuals, as you point out the law used to do? How is that within our domain, when Paul writes we are not to judge those outside but those inside?

It is clear from the same passage that sexual sin is an excommunicable offense. But our dominion stays within the church, at least when it comes to seeking to use the law to Christianize anything.

The easiest way to see how our faith controls our politics is to look at one easy example, and understand that it shows a pattern: We are against gay weddings. Not because it is our opinion but because Jesus Christ defined marriage as being between a man and a woman (Matthew 19:4-6). Even if we might prefer to accept gay pride, and even if we have family members that live a gay pride life, we still line ourselves up with what Christ said. We submit to Christ.

Our politics lines up with this, and so we are against laws that promote or allow gay weddings.
It is not that we are imposing our morality on those outside of the church. Rather, we are voting according to our conscience that has been formed by the Lord. And this does not just apply when it comes to voting. It applies when it comes to determining our position on school curriculum, business practices, entertainment choices, etc., etc. If those outside of the church do not follow the standards in the Bible, that is their choice. But our standards should be according to what is in the Bible, or we do not support it. And when we form our laws, policies, programs, etc. we do so according to the Lord's divine will as revealed to us in holy scripture.

So, we are not judging those outside of the church. We are just following the King by what we say and do. As we do this, we often notice the things that are out of line with God's order and rightly point out the disorder.

That said, so-called accepting Christians and churches do not do this because they basically ignore what Christ and the Bible teaches and join the world in the celebration and acceptance of that one pet sin - gay pride . Why, I don't know. And the truth might be that we all do this, with our own pet sin. Porn. Money. Food. Whatever .

 

[iarwain]

Is it right for Christians to try to use the law to stop homosexuals, as you point out the law used to do? How is that within our domain, when Paul writes we are not to judge those outside but those inside?

I don't think it's our place to judge anyone, that is God's place. However, we should not promote the idea that homosexuality (and the rest of the LGBTQ stuff) is good. Let alone stand by and allow it to be taught to children, when we can do something to stop it. The individual and the agenda are different things. If the individual needs some help with something, I will give it to him if I am able. I will not help with the agenda.

We are members of the community, we have a vote. Or do you think that since we are Christians we should not vote, and leave that kind of thing to the outside world, because it is outside the church? As long as we are part of a community, should we not influence that community? If there are five Christians living in a town and three atheists, should the five Christians abandon the town to the three atheists because it is the outside world?

 

[Hazelelponi]

I don't think it's our place to judge anyone, that is God's place. However, we should not promote the idea that homosexuality (and the rest of the LGBTQ stuff) is good. Let alone stand by and allow it to be taught to children, when we can do something to stop it. The individual and the agenda are different things. If the individual needs some help with something, I will give it to him if I am able. I will not help with the agenda.

We are members of the community, we have a vote. Or do you think that since we are Christians we should not vote, and leave that kind of thing to the outside world, because it is outside the church? As long as we are part of a community, should we not influence that community? If there are five Christians living in a town and three atheists, should the five Christians abandon the town to the three atheists because it is the outside world?

Voting will never again affect legal gay unions in the US. Gay marriage was decided by the supreme court, something about everyone being equal under the law. As there are financial and legal reasons to have civil unions (tax breaks, inheritance, welfare etc) it was a civil rights violation to deny them the opportunity to have the same chances for the same benefits as straight couples.

I said for years prior to the decision that people who were Christian needed to remove legal marital benefits from the public sphere (end all tax breaks etc) if they wanted to protect the religious sanctity of marriage - well in advance of the supreme court decision) but my suggestions never gained any traction at all because people like their benefits more than the sanctity of the faith.

As far as influence, yes, vote etc in accordance with the moral values you have. But there times when you have to weigh the law, and decide to remove yourself to protect your faith too...

 

[dms1972]

Not all gays or lesbians want to live together as if married, or as married, they want to have the same-sex relationship, and some legal rights, but to push them to imitate or conform or adopt the customs of the institution of marriage, I am not sure how many really want that? Also I wonder if we tend to suppose that for all same sex couples the homosexual aspect comes into it a lot, whereas this might not always be the case?

 

[BNR32FAN]

A gray stripe should be added to the rainbow flag, for PORN ADDICTS. That is the right color because PORN makes you gray inside, so to speak. Just like gay pride, porn addicts are also products of a sinful culture, broken sexuality, and a political landscape that promotes sin.

Also, a white stripe needs to be added for those that are attracted to minors. White, because that represents the innocence of a child. Those people can't help the way they are wired either. Now, before you say the second idea is inappropriate due to the existing laws, remember that it was not that long ago that sodomy was actually against the law in many states. So, the age of consent laws might change as well. But maybe we should hold off on the white stripe until then.

I am being a little playful here, but really the topic is serious. Aren't those that accept gay pride, what we call accepting Christians or accepting churches, in reality accepting sin for (personal) political purposes & allowing politics to control their faith rather than the inverse?

My art is an analogy here. In this art I depict Satan. No longer does he have real wings of heaven, instead he has wings of sand. He holds his arms in a way that has a particular meaning. Certain Christians do this gesture when they have sinned and are not worthy to receive the Eucharist. Instead they receive a blessing. This gesture when done by a faithful Christian is a beautiful expression of humility and reverence. HOWEVER, you can see in my art that Satan makes this gesture with an arrogant face, with pride. It reminds me of gay pride, even feminist pride, in the church and how they ask that sin be blessed.

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And it reminds me of us. Maybe we all have been too tolerant of sins in general, and gay pride is showing us something. I pray that the Holy Spirit fills us all, convicts us of our sins, all of them, and empowers us to walk in the spirit for a new life in Jesus Christ.

Love the sinner, hate the sin has always been my position because I believe it was the way Christ viewed sinners and sin during His ministry. I don’t believe people should be excluded from the church as long as they behave appropriately in the church but at the same time I believe it’s imperative that the church teaches that sin is unacceptable behavior and we should always be striving to rid ourselves of it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is not that we are imposing our morality on those outside of the church. Rather, we are voting according to our conscience that has been formed by the Lord.

No offense but I think this statement is an attempt to sugar coat the truth in an attempt to give it a more politically correct appearance which I think is unnecessary. God absolutely does impose His morality on everyone thru His expectations and His judgement and I think that we should be no different. Not that we should condemn people for sinful acts but that we can’t condone sin for the sake of unity with unbelievers or those who willfully indulge in sin. We can still embrace the sinner and yet reject the sin at the same time. I have no problem with voting to impose God’s morality on others not mine because ultimately it’s the truth whether people want to acknowledge it or not. If God’s morality is objective then mine should be as well and there will be people who don’t like it and accuse me of imposing my morality on them and I really couldn’t care less about that. Separation of church & state is a secular law not a biblical one so I don’t support it. God’s laws supersede all others including the US Constitution.

 

[Ohorseman]

No offense but I think this statement is an attempt to sugar coat the truth in an attempt to give it a more politically correct appearance which I think is unnecessary. God absolutely does impose His morality on everyone thru His expectations and His judgement and I think that we should be no different. Not that we should condemn people for sinful acts but that we can’t condone sin for the sake of unity with unbelievers or those who willfully indulge in sin. We can still embrace the sinner and yet reject the sin at the same time. I have no problem with voting to impose God’s morality on others not mine because ultimately it’s the truth whether people want to acknowledge it or not. If God’s morality is objective then mine should be as well and there will be people who don’t like it and accuse me of imposing my morality on them and I really couldn’t care less about that. Separation of church & state is a secular law not a biblical one so I don’t support it. God’s laws supersede all others including the US Constitution.

What you write reads true, in line with the holy scriptures. I stand corrected. Thank you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What you write reads true, in line with the holy scriptures. I stand corrected. Thank you.

I’m confident that what you wrote derived from your love for others which is highly commendable and greatly appreciated by God I’m sure. Just remember we love the rebels, not the rebellion. In most cases imposing God’s morality on society won’t matter much in saving those who are in opposition to Him, like on this particular subject of this thread but in some cases it’s imperative like on the subject of abortion for saving innocent lives.