NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.

[DennisTate]

An assertion for which there is no evidence whatever.

I am no scientist and I don't personally have access to the
specific study on the prevention of suicide by reading near death experience accounts.....
but I do suspect that there is somebody here on this forum who could research this in depth
if their attention is sufficiently grabbed by this idea.

I do remember that it was in the book "Transformed By The Light" by Melvin Morse M. D. where I read about
that research.

Aha yes.... Bruce Greyson Ph. D.


Near-Death Experiences and Antisuicidal Attitudes - Centre for Suicide Prevention

Year: 1993 Source: Omega, v.26, no.2, (1992-93), p.81-89 SIEC No: 19930282
Near-death experiences (NDEs) reportedly decrease fear of death & foster a “romanticized” view of death, yet also promote antisucidal attitudes. This article presents an empirical study of this paradox involving 193 subjects. NDErs endorsed significantly more antisuicidal statements than nonNDErs; greatest difference between groups related to transpersonal/transcendental beliefs. Data support view that NDEs foster antisuicidal attitudes by promoting a sense of purpose in life. (38 Refs.)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I truly am glad that you know that
a near death experience can be induced in
Extreme Gravity conditions, such as in a jet fighter training device.

Dr. James Winnery has a different way of looking at this than you do though.

I don't know why he thinks it's strange (incidentally, it's an occasional occurrence, it doesn't happen every time). Does he think it strange when hallucinogens give people trips?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I am no scientist and I don't personally have access to the
specific study on the prevention of suicide by reading near death experience accounts...

Similar positive results on depression have been reported using psychedelics or Ketamine. It would appear psychoactives can have similarly profound effects to NDEs. Whether it's the experience they produce, or the changes to brain chemistry, or a combination of both, they can have life-changing effects. My own experiences with psylocybin have permanently changed my view of the world.

 

[bhsmte]

Similar positive results on depression have been reported using psychedelics or Ketamine. It would appear psychoactives can have similarly profound effects to NDEs. Whether it's the experience they produce, or the changes to brain chemistry, or a combination of both, they can have life-changing effects. My own experiences with psylocybin have permanently changed my view of the world.

There is a neuro shrink in canada, that has reproduced near death experiences by stimulating parts of the brain.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There is a neuro shrink in canada, that has reproduced near death experiences by stimulating parts of the brain.

Yes, it's no great surprise. What is surprising is the idea that if people have such experiences, the content must somehow be more than an internally generated vision; this doesn't usually seem to be required of dreams, trips, or other narrative hallucinatory visual experiences (although for each of those there are people who do claim they're externally 'real' in some way).

 

[DennisTate]

There is a neuro shrink in canada, that has reproduced near death experiences by stimulating parts of the brain.

Yes, electrical stimulation of the right temporal lobe, if I remember correctly.

Some people would say that this means that they are merely a halucination but I would wonder if the right temporal lobe could be the connection between our soul, that existed even before we were conceived, and this body?

Rom 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, electrical stimulation of the right temporal lobe, if I remember correctly.

Some people would say that this means that they are merely a halucination but I would wonder if the right temporal lobe could be the connection between our soul, that existed even before we were conceived, and this body?

Interesting suggestion. If that were the case, how could we distinguish between a 'mere hallucination' and something involving the soul? What would be significantly different if a connection to the soul was present ?

 

[DennisTate]

Interesting suggestion. If that were the case, how could we distinguish between a 'mere hallucination' and something involving the soul? What would be significantly different if a connection to the soul was present ?

There seems to be a significantly differently atmosphere in near death experience accounts that include a Life Review.

There is a verse in the Catholic Bible that may help to explain why that might be the case.....

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Prophecy Of Baruch Chapter 6

[6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls. " (Baruch 6:6)

Is the life review with a being of light a meeting with Messiah Yeshua -Jesus in his immortal form that he had since his resurrection?????

 

[DennisTate]

Interesting suggestion. If that were the case, how could we distinguish between a 'mere hallucination' and something involving the soul? What would be significantly different if a connection to the soul was present ?

One of the other important litmus tests would be the degree to which the person's life and world view is transformed by what they saw and experienced. If their whole approach to life is transformed.... then that indicates that they at the minimum felt their experience was real on some level.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There seems to be a significantly differently atmosphere in near death experience accounts that include a Life Review.

Different how?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

One of the other important litmus tests would be the degree to which the person's life and world view is transformed by what they saw and experienced. If their whole approach to life is transformed.... then that indicates that they at the minimum felt their experience was real on some level.

All experiences are real on some level - people really have them, and they can really change the way you think about the world. Used to be that psychedelics were a popular route - it worked for me. But all experiences change you to some extent - that's what learning is about.

But what has that to do with connection to a soul? is there some type of life changing experience characteristic of a soul being involved? I'm wondering what role the soul plays, what does it do, what facilities or features does it provide? If you didn't have a soul, how would things be different?

 

[DennisTate]

All experiences are real on some level - people really have them, and they can really change the way you think about the world. Used to be that psychedelics were a popular route - it worked for me. But all experiences change you to some extent - that's what learning is about.

But what has that to do with connection to a soul? is there some type of life changing experience characteristic of a soul being involved? I'm wondering what role the soul plays, what does it do, what facilities or features does it provide? If you didn't have a soul, how would things be different?

Apparently Larry Hagman had a life change near death experience like transformation after using LSD. The ability to perceive invisible higher dimensions of space - time would seem to fit with the idea that we humans may be an invented being...... much like the Artificial Intelligence that we may soon create..... .and perhaps we are living within and being tested within something like a hologram?

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Apparently Larry Hagman had a life change near death experience like transformation after using LSD. The ability to perceive invisible higher dimensions of space - time would seem to fit with the idea that we humans may be an invented being...... much like the Artificial Intelligence that we may soon create..... .and perhaps we are living within and being tested within something like a hologram?

Never mind, I can see this is pointless.

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

Both Google and my security software tell me this site is unsafe.

 

[DennisTate]

Similar positive results on depression have been reported using psychedelics or Ketamine. It would appear psychoactives can have similarly profound effects to NDEs. Whether it's the experience they produce, or the changes to brain chemistry, or a combination of both, they can have life-changing effects. My own experiences with psylocybin have permanently changed my view of the world.

Doesn't ketamine produce something like an out of the body experience?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Doesn't ketamine produce something like an out of the body experience?

It can do, in some K-hole experiences. Like many other psychedelics and hallucinogens, it can change activity in areas of the brain concerned with the various components that generate the sense of self, including location and bounds.

 

[DennisTate]

It can do, in some K-hole experiences. Like many other psychedelics and hallucinogens, it can change activity in areas of the brain concerned with the various components that generate the sense of self, including location and bounds.

This is interesting!

A study on 2060 people seems to have a pretty high level of validity.


World's largest near death experiences study | University of Southampton

Among those who reported a perception of awareness and completed further interviews, 46 per cent experienced a broad range of mental recollections in relation to death that were not compatible with the commonly used term of NDE’s. These included fearful and persecutory experiences. Only 9 per cent had experiences compatible with NDEs and 2 per cent exhibited full awareness compatible with OBE’s with explicit recall of ‘seeing’ and ‘hearing’ events.

 

[DennisTate]

It can do, in some K-hole experiences. Like many other psychedelics and hallucinogens, it can change activity in areas of the brain concerned with the various components that generate the sense of self, including location and bounds.

This is interesting!

A study on 2060 people seems to have a pretty high level of validity.


World's largest near death experiences study | University of Southampton

Among those who reported a perception of awareness and completed further interviews, 46 per cent experienced a broad range of mental recollections in relation to death that were not compatible with the commonly used term of NDE’s. These included fearful and persecutory experiences. Only 9 per cent had experiences compatible with NDEs and 2 per cent exhibited full awareness compatible with OBE’s with explicit recall of ‘seeing’ and ‘hearing’ events.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

This is interesting!

A study on 2060 people seems to have a pretty high level of validity.

World's largest near death experiences study | University of Southampton

Yes, although only 330 survived, and of those, only 140 passed the screening criteria for interview, so it wasn't as comprehensive as the article makes it sound.

I followed the AWARE study from its announcement, and was a little sceptical because, although having a solid clinical reputation, Dr. Parnia had been criticised for his support of and association with a dualist mind-body interpretation, called pseudoscientific by some. But the size and quality of the study and the hospitals involved were cause for hope that it would be properly run.

Parnia suggested in 2010 that the results of the study would be available in late 2011 to early 2012, and it was disappointing to see that, and several later deadlines, pass with no announcement.

When the results were finally published in late 2014, it was notable that the OBE aspects that had been tested for in the methodology were barely mentioned, with the focus being mainly on the content of the reported experiences. Given the results they got, I suppose that isn't surprising - they were pretty much as you might expect if NDE's are internally generated experiences resulting from physiological stress (e.g. hypoxia) in the brain. Only 2% reported awareness of events during their resuscitation, and only one subject was conscious when it wasn't thought he should be. No-one reported seeing the targets hidden out of plain view, or other verifiable OBEs, so they didn't provide any significant support for dualist interpretations.

 

[DennisTate]

Yes, although only 330 survived, and of those, only 140 passed the screening criteria for interview, so it wasn't as comprehensive as the article makes it sound.

I followed the AWARE study from its announcement, and was a little sceptical because, although having a solid clinical reputation, Dr. Parnia had been criticised for his support of and association with a dualist mind-body interpretation, called pseudoscientific by some. But the size and quality of the study and the hospitals involved were cause for hope that it would be properly run.

Parnia suggested in 2010 that the results of the study would be available in late 2011 to early 2012, and it was disappointing to see that, and several later deadlines, pass with no announcement.

When the results were finally published in late 2014, it was notable that the OBE aspects that had been tested for in the methodology were barely mentioned, with the focus being mainly on the content of the reported experiences. Given the results they got, I suppose that isn't surprising - they were pretty much as you might expect if NDE's are internally generated experiences resulting from physiological stress (e.g. hypoxia) in the brain. Only 2% reported awareness of events during their resuscitation, and only one subject was conscious when it wasn't thought he should be. No-one reported seeing the targets hidden out of plain view, or other verifiable OBEs, so they didn't provide any significant support for dualist interpretations.

Thank you for this update.......
Interesting!

 

[JDD_III]

Random decayed buildings don't mean much. Furthermore, myths often have events that take place in real cities and structures, but that doesn't make the events true. The Parthenon still stands, but that doesn't mean the Greek myths are true.

Also, rabbits don't chew their cud, and the bible says they do. there goes your 100% accuracy in one blow.

Right, so take an ancient phrase, apply a modern meaning to that, and declare the ancient text wrong.

Rabbits re-eat true decal matter with partially digested food. They areny a ruminant but the "chew the cud" inthe spirit of what the trxt in Leviticus says.

Try better.