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my wife told me she hates me

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Yes EZoolander, she started to behave like this the week of Thanksgiving.

Last night when she finally got home, we actually sat down and spoke for over an hour. No yelling, no screaming, no attitudes, just a private well tempered talk. We both aired our feelings and concerns and we both shed tears along the way through the discussion.

Although this sounds like a good thing, I definitely didn't hear what I wanted to hear;

We spoke of her not wanting to be around me, not wanting me to hug her, not wanting to give each other kisses when one of us comes home from work or leaves, not holding hands (basically, all those little nice intimate moments that married couples share). She said that she feels like I'm trying to smother her, because this is what she wanted all along, and I never gave it to her when I was drinking. Now she doesn't know how to receive it.

She told me that she's very confused and doesn't know what she wants right now. The only thing that she's sure of is that she needs space. I asked her if she wanted to separate because the atmosphere in our house isn't good for the girls. She told me if I wanted to move, go ahead. I told her that I didn't think that was fair, because right now, I'm the one that wants to save the relationship, and that if she wanted to separate, she should be the one to move out. She refused. I also added that if I were still drinking, then she had every right to ask me to be the one to move and I would oblige her if that were the case. I told her it should be the more stable parent that stays in the house with the girls.

She also said a few of things that really had me doubting if she ever wants to reconcile. She told me that now she's 40 and feels her life is half over. She wants to be happy for the rest of her life and be with someone that she has things in common with and we have nothing in common. She also asked me if I wanted her to be happy. I told her yes, and that's one of the reasons I began my sobriety. She told me that I should be getting sober for me. I agreed but added that her and the kids are a part of me, and everyone has a stake in my sobriety. I told her that my sobriety shows my love to her, to the kids and shows the love I have for myself (wanting to be a better person) and shows my love for God. In other words, no one earthly person is the sole reason for my sobriety. I also made sure that she understood that if our marriage ended in a divorce, that wouldn't mean that I would start drinking again, and the weight of my sobriety lies squarely on my shoulders and my shoulders alone. She also brought up this story of when we were in Switzerland on vacation one time. We saw an old couple (probably both in their eighties) walking and holding hands. When we saw them, I said to her, I hope that's us one day. She said that she does want that to be her, but she doesn't know if she'll be holding hands with me. She reiterated her question after that about if I wanted her to be happy. And also added that her being happy may be her leaving me and moving on. I told her, if that's what she wanted, I couldn't MAKE her stay. That I would be heart broken, and I wouldn't be happy at all, but if that's what ends up happening, what could I do? She also told me that she can't stand it when I say, "I love you" to her and that I need to stop. I asked her how she expected to make things better, if we're not even attempting to make them better. I told her that I believe that if we didn't actively try to move closer together, we would naturally drift apart. She said if that's what happens, that's what happens. I think this is our road that we are traveling on and I can't do anything to steer this relationship away from that.

We spoke about going out to bars too. I told her I didn't like her going to bars, let alone that there are single guys that are a part of the group of people she goes with. She said this is what she's wants to do and that she's hurt that I feel like she would go out and cheat on me with some other guy. I asked her how was I supposed to feel when she just never wants to be around me? I told her not to take this wrong way, but she'd already described herself as emotionally unstable, and if she is, she can be taken advantage of or just make a plain old bad decision. Plus I said that it may be true that she wouldn't be with another man until she were divorced, but I just have a hard time digesting that. I mean it's pretty devastating to think that she would rather be with no one than be with me. And that's why I feel that she's either looking for someone else (intentionally) or may fall for someone else (unintentionally).

Right now, I think the best I can do is give her the space she's asked for and try to keep a level head. I also need to go right to the bible any time I start obsessing over where she is, what she's doing or who she's with. I also told her that her behavior is affecting the girls, and I think it best that we let them know what's going on. They've picked up on the extreme tension within the house and are starting to question her authority. I'm planning on having a talk with them (with limited details, of course) after Christmas, and my wife agreed. She wanted me to talk to them, but now that I think about it, it's probably best that we both explain it to them. Anyway, I'm going to the counselor on Wednesday, I will ask her what she thinks is the best course of action.

I don't know if I'll come back to this website or not. Right now I feel like it's a done deal. That her mind is pretty much made up. This is way out of my control and the only one that can fix this is God. God is the only one that can grasp my wife's heart and guide her. God can soften anyone's heart, so there might be a chance. I keep praying asking God that if it's his will to please fix my marriage, and would ask all of you kind people that have attempted to help me through this to please pray for my marriage and my wife as well.

Again, thank you all, and God bless you.

In Christ,
Kevin
 
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Kevin69,

If I were in your shoes, I would do this. I would, after prayer and reading the word, think of what I wanted my marriage to be like, and go for that, without being wishy washy. What I mean by being wishy washy is this-- if she talks about divorce and you don't even want you, and furthermore, you think it's the wrong decision, why entertain the idea in conversations with her except to oppose the idea?

If you have this 'up to you' attitude when it comes to divorcing and separating, that probably makes it a lot more likely to happen. If you have anuncertain attitude about your relationship, and she has an uncertain attitude about the relationship, your uncertainty and her uncertainty can feed off of each other. You need to be confident, IMO, of the future of your relationship.

If she talks about not feeling in love with you, you are sympathetic and understanding and admit how you contributed to that. But at the same time, you are convinced that this is temporary and that the love can grow again. Should you have irrational confidence? It might be better than being wishy washy and going with whatever she suggests, but it is far better to have confidence because you have faith in God. You pray and believe God to restore your marriage. You pray about your wife's beliefs and attitudes. If you believe it is God's will to restore marriages, and therefore it is God's will to restore your marriage, and if the Bible says that we know that whatever we ask according to His will, we have it, then you can have faith that things will go well, and let that fuel your attitude.

Don't suggest things contrary to what you are believing God for. I'm not sure what kind of influence your wife is having on the children now, but generally I think it is a very bad idea to move toward separation in a situation like yours. She's not saying she wants to separate for a serious, specific reason to go through counseling or some other process and that she is committed to moving back in. She is talking about finding someone else, so separating is helping her move another step in that direction. It can also mean another step toward losing your kids. You may be a more stable parent now, but she is a woman and that may give her an advantage for custody depending on where you live and who the judge is.

If she's talking about not enjoying being married to you but she isn't talking about separating, why would you bring it up? Exercise some leadership. She doesn't know what she wants to do. Maybe she would respond if you offered her some leadership in making a decision. So that leaves the ball in your court. What decision do you want her to make? If it's restoring your marriage, you do what you can to help her stay in the marriage, and you see if you can walk her through getting out of the emotions she is in into something else.

You might consider how an effective salesman does his job. He doesn't ask "Do you want a car?" You might say "no." He says, "What color car do you want?" As far as you can tell, he knows you want the car. He is confident of it. Not buying the car is not an option. It's a lot easier when he's sold you the car and you've signed the paper and he's asking you about the color. Your wife are already married, and you are negotiating some changes, so don't ask her if she wants to cancel the sales contract and try to persuade her to use her right of rescission. If you tell a real estate sales person, "But I don't want a two-car garage" some good salespeople can pull off standing beside you, putting their arm around you and saying, "Sure you do." For some people, it even works telling them what they want, especially if they want two things.

The Bible says the husband is the head of the wife and should love the wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. I don't know where you are on your spiritual journey, but do make sure you are 'right with God' that you have put your faith in Christ, that you have repented of your sins, that you believe in Christ's death, burial and resurrection. If you have not been buried and raised with Christ through baptism through faith in the operation of God who raised Christ from the dead, get baptized. If your wife hasn't gone through these experiences, lead her through them, then lead your children.

Then take the reigns of spiritual leadership. You can do a Bible devotion every night or every morning with your wife and children. Pray together, not just over meals, but on a regular basis. Get your wife's focus on her living right with God. Most of the time if you have a strong relationship your relationship can seem pretty good just based on you two getting along. But if your wife goes through a difficult emotional time like this, then it may be her relationship with the Lord that keeps you two together. If she wants to do what is right before the Lord, then she may realize she needs to stay with her Christian husband even when her emotional state is not so good or even when she is not happy with her life and her marriage. You can't rely on social pressure in this society to keep things together. God working in your marriage is a lot more powerful than social pressure anyway.

If your wife wants to follow God's word, the Bible tells wives, "Do not depart from your husband." It tells wives to respect their husbands and various other things. If she starts seeking to please God, if she applies that to her marriage, that is a very good thing for you. If you both start paddling in the right direction, your likely to get there a lot faster and have a lot better trip along the way.

Also, when your wife isn't around, pray for your wife. Do you know what you want for your marriage? If not, study the Bible and write down what husbands and wives should be like on a piece of paper and think about it until you know what you want your marriage to be like. Then pray for that and don't let up until it is yours, until you know you have it.

Make sure the Lord is first in your marriage and how you talk with your wife. Your job as a husband is to serve her to help her draw closer to the Lord and please the Lord. Fortunately, if she desires to do that, those things will be good for your marriage as well.
 
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Dear Kevin,

I feel distant to my husband (for different reasons). In the process of drinking and being irresponsible you have hurt her for 5 years. Praise God, you have taken the right direction now. But, personally, I think your wife needs to recover from all the hurt that she had gone through. Continue loving her and gradually her attitude will change. She definitely needs more convincing for all that she went through for 5 years.
 
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e told me that she's very confused and doesn't know what she wants right now. The only thing that she's sure of is that she needs space. I asked her if she wanted to separate because the atmosphere in our house isn't good for the girls. She told me if I wanted to move, go ahead. I told her that I didn't think that was fair, because right now, I'm the one that wants to save the relationship, and that if she wanted to separate, she should be the one to move out. She refused. I also added that if I were still drinking, then she had every right to ask me to be the one to move and I would oblige her if that were the case. I told her it should be the more stable parent that stays in the house with the girls.

You should give her her space and stop suggesting she move out to get it.You are being to pushy .
 
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I started going to church about 10 to 12 years ago...I never stopped drinking over all of those years until a little more than 2 months ago.

So, your drank (and probably made her life miserable) for 4,380 days, and you think a mere 60 days of sobriety should erase all that?

You dug yourself a 12 year hole, and it will take more than 2 months to dig yourself out.

On the positive side, she stayed with you while you were digging the hole. There's every reason to hope you will get out of it, it will just take more (a lot more) time.
 
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Update.........I haven't been here in a while and wanted to update anyone who's interested. The good news is that I've reached 8+ months of sobriety and counting. The bad news is that my wife had filed for divorce in April and our finalization date is August 12th. I have some good days, but they are very outweighed by the bad ones. Today I feel as if I"m going to lose it mentally. This is the most difficult thing I've been through in my life and I will never be the same. I just hope that I won't be the same for good reasons. I've read at least 8 books (most of them were Christian books) about marriage reconciliation and have tried to employ a few of the suggested techniques. Nothing seems to work. I just read "the divorce remedy" by Michele Weiner Davis. She has a technique called "the last resort technique". I think is my last and only chance. Basically, it tells me to back off, not pursue at all, no telling her that I love her, and to try do things opposite of what I've been doing, because those things are pushing her further away. She'll have to engage me in conversation, etc. I'm to be cheerful and upbeat, not be nasty, mean or cold. I'm to sit back and see if she changes at all. And if she seems to be coming around, I'm not to go into smothering mode. This will only push her back away. Ironically, my therapist has been trying to convince me to do some of these things, but never explained why. I've tried, but have failed miserably when my therapist had asked me to do some of these things. I think I"m a little better equipped now that I know the logic behind it. It seems to me that I don't have anything to lose, anyway. I've only got 2 more months for her to change her mind. I'm just asking for prayers and blessing my way please. Any advise will be appreciated as well. Thanks and God bless.

P.S. My wife isn't saved and I would really appreciate prayers for her salvation as well, even more so than the prayers for my marriage to work out.
 
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Please pray for my wife's salvation and for God to work in her heart. Also for strength and wisdom for myself. The divorce is getting closer to being finalized. It really seems as she's not going to change her mind. She'd much rather focus in on anger and resentment than forgiveness right now. Thank you and God bless all of you.
 
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Drink'in ain't healthy anyhow. You quit'in drink'in gives yourself a chance to heal your body and then, only after that your spirit will become clear. You didn't give it time. Nevermind your wife. She has her own problems to deal with and if she don't wanna have fun and be happy about life then let it go cause there ain't not'in you can do right away. Hurrying don't work well. Your problem is probably due to you thinking kissing and hugging is a standard like watching too much TV with all those unusual society behaviours. Unbelievable what they show on tv and movies how how sex outta be.
You can enjoy each day and treat your wife as your best friend and be happy for yourself. Nothing is too late. She is just being what she is. I would continue to thank myself that I'm healing and taking care of my body. It takes time to get into the monk mode and live like a normal human being. Don't feel so deprived when you don't feel wanted. If my wife hates me , I blame her mother cause she first hated her mom and family. It's probably not your wife's fault. It could be how she was treated during her life.
Just live in joy and be patient and see what happens. Hurrying isn't good either.
The reforms don't accept Jesus like the popular arminians do. Instead, the reforms discover the gift of faith they have always had since God doesn't the choosing, not man so it would be impossible for man to boast. Not everyone get chosen by God according to His own Pleasure as He sees fit. I'm not going to ask you to walk up to an alter call to do something impossible since all men are totally deprived and 100% spiritually dead. I'm mean ALL men, not some.
I would just enjoy each new day and be the best friend you can be and you need to be a lot more patient. Kissing and hugging isn't everything when both of ya'll are behaving like your parent taught you.
 
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Praying for you and your wife. One thing I don't appreciate about a lot of those books is that they seem to be alluding to a promise of that all "working". There is no formula. You've gotten yourself healthy, though......praise God for that. That's hard work.......especially as you've gone through a great trial. Praying for your continued strength.....and may God give you His peace.
 
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Thanks and God bless mkgal1 as well as all the others who've been praying.

I don't know what's worse right now. Accepting the fact that she's going through with this divorce, or knowing that she utterly hates me. She can't stand being in the same room with me, or even talk civilly to me. When we do talk, she always has one word answers, and she'll never divulge information unless specifically asked.

I am truly in the most pain I've ever experienced. Sometimes I wish I'd never stopped drinking. What I thought was a blessing from God to finally beat the bondage of an addiction has only been a curse. My wife is leaving me and trying to take my children as well.
 
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... My wife is leaving me and trying to take my children as well.

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]Kevin[/SIZE], did you ever consider that God broke-up
[SIZE=+1]your marriage to punish your wife ?[/SIZE]
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When the Lord allows something this devastating
to occur, it's often so you can say you still believe
in Him despite horrible adversity.

Sort of a Job 2:10b thing.
 
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Rising Spirit,

No I've never gave that any thought whatsoever. God is not in the business of helping divorces. It's pretty clear through the entire bible. The first time divorce is even mentioned its during the setting of the Mosaic law. Divorce didn't exist before that. In Matthew, Christ says what God hath put together, let no man put asunder. In Mark, when Christ was questioned about divorce, he told the Pharisees that divorce wasn't ever part of God's plan, and that it was put into Mosaic Law not because of God's hard heart, but because of people's hard hearts.

Since God was, is and will always be the same, he's averse to divorce.

Also, God only punishes (chastens) his people. My wife isn't a believer, so he wouldn't punish her. This is very clear in Hebrews 12.

I'm not trying to attack you, but only educate you on what the bible is clear about.
 
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[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]Kevin[/SIZE], did you ever consider that God broke-up
[SIZE=+1]your marriage to punish your wife ?[/SIZE]
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When the Lord allows something this devastating
to occur, it's often so you can say you still believe
in Him despite horrible adversity.

Sort of a Job 2:10b thing.

God doesn't "punish".
 
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Thanks and God bless mkgal1 as well as all the others who've been praying.

I don't know what's worse right now. Accepting the fact that she's going through with this divorce, or knowing that she utterly hates me. She can't stand being in the same room with me, or even talk civilly to me. When we do talk, she always has one word answers, and she'll never divulge information unless specifically asked.

I am truly in the most pain I've ever experienced. Sometimes I wish I'd never stopped drinking. What I thought was a blessing from God to finally beat the bondage of an addiction has only been a curse. My wife is leaving me and trying to take my children as well.

Please reject that thought, when ever it enters your mind. Your life prior to becoming sober was never any better than it is now. You were poisoning your body......you were unable to think clearly or even be "present" in your own life. This is pretty typical of what happens when one spouse "cleans up their issues".

Often what happens is that when there's a pattern of dysfunction in a marriage......both parties adapt to that pattern; it becomes the "norm". Even though it's "broken".....it's at least something everyone involved knows. Change is scary (even if it's for the best).

Your wife may be now feeling more weight of the responsibility for your marital issues (as she can't blame them on your drinking any longer). Have you asked her *how* you could make amends for the past? Maybe if you frame that as related to your need to co-parent with her. Does she respond with contempt to even questions like that?
 
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God doesn't "punish".
[SIZE=+1]It's Post-Modernism as applied to [SIZE=+1]Scripture.

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[SIZE=+1]we want them to mean.


[SIZE=+1]By way of example: If we want [SIZE=+1]a god of love-only, we[SIZE=+1] delete
all the parts of the Bible where God punishes s[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]inners[/SIZE] ! If
[SIZE=+1]we want relativism, then we ignore [SIZE=+1]every absolute in God's
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The Supreme Being employs Divine Providence
to punish sinners in our fallen world. However -when
something like Sandy Hook happens- we don't know
why it happens. Or, specifically, what sin(s) is being
punished.

What we can say: We sin enough, and seriously enough,
that there's a multitude of sins any given providence
might be punishing. [ Not to say that all providences in
our world are punishment-providences. ]



When something like Sandy Hook occurs, it's one of the
consequences of our many sins. That there are no
"innocent people" (including children) suffering for the
sins of guilty persons. We rarely -if ever- know what
specific sin(s) caused it, yet that we have accumulated
sufficient sin even to send us to Eternal Hell !
 
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Not to sound mean, but I'm tired of hearing about Sandy Hook. I live less than 10 minutes away from where that tragic event unfolded. I personally know individuals directly affected by that event. We are all trying to move on with our lives and the main stream media can't stop talking about it each and every day, pushing their own agenda. We can't heal when people keep reopening wounds.

Anyway, the reason that things like that happen are the result of people's free will. God gave us all free will, and promises not to touch the sovereignty of it. Unfortunately, sometimes when people exercise that right, it ends up hurting others.

This world is under the control of Satan until the 2nd coming. That's basically why tragedies happen. It's not God's punishment as much as it's the result of our own sinful nature.

We aren't sinners because we've sinned. We sin because we're sinners. Sin always brings consequence.
 
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Not to sound mean, but I'm tired of hearing about Sandy Hook. I live less than 10 minutes away from where that tragic event unfolded. I personally know individuals directly affected by that event. We are all trying to move on with our lives and the main stream media can't stop talking about it each and every day, pushing their own agenda. We can't heal when people keep reopening wounds.

Anyway, the reason that things like that happen are the result of people's free will. God gave us all free will, and promises not to touch the sovereignty of it. Unfortunately, sometimes when people exercise that right, it ends up hurting others.

This world is under the control of Satan until the 2nd coming. That's basically why tragedies happen. It's not God's punishment as much as it's the result of our own sinful nature.

We aren't sinners because we've sinned. We sin because we're sinners. Sin always brings consequence.

[SIZE=+1]As Sproul Sr. said: [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]"There's not one maverick molecule in
God's universe". ( He ain't called the "Supreme Being" for
nothing ! )

The Supreme Being controls the manifestation of every
occurrence. This, however, doesn't mean He obviates
human will in those events involving humans.



"Compatibilism" means our 'free will' is limited to circumstances.
We have circumstantial free volition. THAT being compatible
with God's sovereignty in all occurrences.



When a circumstance in our life arises, we do not think of how
it fits into the scheme of the universe. We think of the immediate
impact and imminent effect.

[ How it affects ourselves and, maybe, one or a very few others. ]

God, obversely, has the Big View. He factors in all of Redemptive
History
, and the ripple effect every event eventually has on the
whole world !

Compatibilism saying that these two (our circumstantially free will,
and the Lord's universal and totally Free Will) are compatible with
one another. That the Supreme Being does not coerce us, nor
cause us to operate as zombies or robots.

God having us perform what He intends, NOT by obviating our
volition, but by so arranging circumstances that we desire what
He intends.
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