My Soteriology.

[Brightfame52]

That's quite false. I think if you were to actually read and understand the view I have stated in this thread, you would know that, but instead, you resort to cheap attacks.

Nothing cheap about it, you put what you believe out there for all to see. You deny the saving death of Christ. Anyone who says that people Christ died for, for their sins, still wind up lost in their sins, that automatically denotes a denial of the saving blood of Christ.

And if you want to see my scriptural reasons for such a perspective, you can see my posts in this thread:

Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Who Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Rom 5:6 For when we [The elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. These verses tells us something about...

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[Lost Witness]

okay, your argument denies the saving death of Christ and promotes salvation by works !

'Prayer' is a 'work' and the LORD gave believers the LORDS prayer?
He also told us to Obey the 2 commandments that he gave us which encompass the 10commandments as a whole

 

[All Becomes New]

Nothing cheap about it, you put what you believe out there for all to see. You deny the saving death of Christ. Anyone who says that people Christ died for, for their sins, still wind up lost in their sins, that automatically denotes a denial of the saving blood of Christ.

And if you want to see my scriptural reasons for such a perspective, you can see my posts in this thread:

Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Who Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Rom 5:6 For when we [The elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. These verses tells us something about...

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Anyone can pick a verse here or there that can make the Bible say whatever you want. The question is, what is consistent with scripture.

Your one verse is Romans 4:5. Hardly enough to build a whole soteriology out of.

BTW, I agree that it is God who gets us saved, but from there, we have to work for our salvation as it does not come automatically.

And by your own logic, you believe in works-based salvation as well since we are not saved apart from faith, which is believing.

 

[Brightfame52]

Anyone can pick a verse here or there that can make the Bible say whatever you want. The question is, what is consistent with scripture.

Your one verse is Romans 4:5. Hardly enough to build a whole soteriology out of.

BTW, I agree that it is God who gets us saved, but from there, we have to work for our salvation as it does not come automatically.

And by your own logic, you believe in works-based salvation as well since we are not saved apart from faith, which is believing.

I gave you a thread for my soteriological views, I really don't have to do that, your own words condemned your pov by saying that people Christ died for, died for their sins, still die in their sins, that is a very very Christ dishonoring perspective.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I asked you where grace fits in and you said it doesn't until the person makes the first step toward God. That's Pelagianism.

I thought you said you learned by reading the bible.

Did it explain Pelagianism somewhere?

Why don't you just admit you're calvinist in your belief system?

This is so tiring.

Grace does not fit into anything calvinist.

 

[IoanC]

Well, the elect could be those who choose God as a mode of existence. But there can be, theoretically, people who have different modes of existence separately from God. I believe the premise of hell is that God punishes those who cannot embrace God and His ways. False, God cannot possibly be proud and temperamental.

 

[Clare73]

I thought you said you learned by reading the bible.

Did it explain Pelagianism somewhere?

Why don't you just admit you're calvinist in your belief system?

This is so tiring.

Grace does not fit into anything calvinist.

Calvin is the "theologian of grace"!

All is of grace, nothing is of man!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Calvin is the "theologian of grace"!

All is of grace, nothing is of man!

There's no grace in calvinism.
That God is devoid of love, mercy or justice.

 

[Clare73]

There's no grace in calvinism.
That God is devoid of love, mercy or justice.

Then you must know nothing of Calvin's writings. . .

Perhaps you should sufficiently inform yourself of them.

 

[Brightfame52]

There's no grace in calvinism.
That God is devoid of love, mercy or justice.

Its all about Grace, its the Gospel of Gods Grace, the acronym TULIP are Truths of the Gospel of Gods Grace.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Its all about Grace, its the Gospel of Gods Grace, the acronym TULIP are Truths of the Gospel of Gods Grace.

There is no gospel in the paradigm of calvinism.
What would the good news be?

 

[Brightfame52]

There is no gospel in the paradigm of calvinism.
What would the good news be?

Its the Gospel of Gods Grace, Salvation is by Grace.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Its the Gospel of Gods Grace, Salvation is by Grace.

I asked you what the good news is.
The word Grace should not be in your vocabulary.
The reformed do not know what grace is.

What is the good news?
How can I be saved?

 

[Brightfame52]

I asked you what the good news is.
The word Grace should not be in your vocabulary.
The reformed do not know what grace is.

What is the good news?
How can I be saved?

I told you.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I told you.

Tell me again...I didn't understand you the first time...

1. What is the good news?
2. How can I be saved?

 

[Brightfame52]

Tell me again...I didn't understand you the first time...

1. What is the good news?
2. How can I be saved?

By Grace, Salvation is all of Grace.

 

[5thKingdom]

Did Christ die for everyone, or did he only die for the elect? Indeed, God died for the elect. But it says plainly that Christ died for the whole world as well.

This is a common error with many people.


When the Bible says Jesus died for the world it means
He died for BOTH Jew and Gentile (Jew + Gentile = the whole world)
The Bible never says God saves EVERYONE in the world... that's silly.


Consider the CONTEXT
BEFORE Jesus Came God was ONLY saving Jews
AFTER Jesus Came God saved BOTH Jews and Gentiles


Jew + Gentile = the world.

That does NOT mean God saves EVERYONE in the world...
or that His Atonement was Universal.

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[5thKingdom]

Jesse Dornfeld said:
So how can it be that Christ is the “Savior of the world” unless Christ died for the world as to the dominion of Satan? For what else could John mean except that from 1 John 2:2 that Christ is the “propitiation for our sins” if not that Christ has a certain “Full-Atonement” for one group of people and a “Partial-Atonement” for “the sins of the whole world”?


That is an easy answer:
John can say that Christ is the "propitiation for OUR sins" because the word OUR represents the elect only.

Christ is the Savior of "His sheep"... but not "tares or goats" in the church
and certainly not for the lost souls OUTSIDE the church.

This is not hard to understand.
It's Christian Theology 101

Can't say I agree with your view, but I do believe the "whole world" refers to the sin of the world, and when people make a choice to turn to God, repent and believe in Jesus and the work of the cross, they're free from slavery to sin and death. "Saved by grace through faith". (Faith being the determining factor).

The "whole world" represents BOTH Jew and Gentile... nothing more.
The Bible never teaches God saves EVERYONE in the world.

Consider the CONTEXT:
BEFORE Jesus Came God was saving ONLY saving Jews.
AFTER Jesus Came God was saving BOTH Jews and Gentiles.

Jew + Gentile = the whole world.
The Bible never teaches a Universal Atonement


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

We accept (believe) the grace of God and enter into the salvation of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The Bible is very clear that before regeneration NO MAN will ever "seek God"... no, not even one.
So it's ridiculous to build a doctrine on the fact that Man does a "work" (accept or believe) BEFORE regeneration.


Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


All repentance is the RESULT of regeneration and never the CAUSE.
This is the monergistic Gospel taught by the Saints since the Apostles.
This is the narrow way that leads Christians into eternal life


The synergistic gospel is the BROAD WAY that leads Christians into eternal torment.
If man must DO SOMETHING (anything) before regeneration - you have "another gospel"


Jim

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The Bible is very clear that before regeneration NO MAN will ever "seek God"... no, not even one.
So it's ridiculous to build a doctrine on the fact that Man does a "work" (accept or believe) BEFORE regeneration.


Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


All repentance is the RESULT of regeneration and never the CAUSE.
This is the monergistic Gospel taught by the Saints since the Apostles.
This is the narrow way that leads Christians into eternal life


The synergistic gospel is the BROAD WAY that leads Christians into eternal torment.
If man must DO SOMETHING (anything) before regeneration - you have "another gospel"


Jim

Thank you for sharing. I am not a Calvanist so this is not a theology I follow. Also your scripture proof is not in context. Paul spends three chapters on a serious concern , refuting Jewish belivers who think they are above the Gentiles in the way of salvation. These chapters are crucial in explaining how God used Israel to bring the Messiah into the world and not just to them but all. He goes on to bring into their understanding that " belief" is necessary and to be Jew is not automatic inclusion. One must repent from unbelief to belief for regeneration.
Blessings.