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Modern medicine doesn't really conflict with my religious beliefs (Islaam).

The most I can say is that we believe first and foremost in prayer because our health or lack thereof belongs to God. No medicine on Earth can make us better if God has other plans.


We believe that God put a cure for all diseases on this Earth, so modern medicine is just a part of the fulfillment of that prophecy.
 
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I use traditional or herbal folk practices in a purely ancillary way. If I have a legitimate medical need that is conditionally harming or potentially dangerous I will always defer to scientific advances in medicine first. I do however feel that organic foods, herbs, incense burning, meditation etc. can generally improve wellness.
 
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While I would never tell anyone to not see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, I personally try to avoid seeing them. No religious conflict, I just don't like the way medicine is practiced in the US.
 
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Hi!

Modern medicine doesn't really conflict with my religious beliefs (Islaam).

The most I can say is that we believe first and foremost in prayer because our health or lack thereof belongs to God. No medicine on Earth can make us better if God has other plans.


We believe that God put a cure for all diseases on this Earth, so modern medicine is just a part of the fulfillment of that prophecy.

Why didn't Allah give these cures to Moh back in the 7th century? Imagine how our lives would be, disease free, for the past 14 centuries.
 
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For those of all different religions (and non religions), does modern medicine have a place in your practices/life or does it conflict with your beliefs and you refer to use old medicinal practices?

The moderner, the better. I want Star Trek medicine.

I'm not impressed by herbs and woo. Then again, modern medicines can have side effects, so I do try to minimize those.


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While I would never tell anyone to not see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, I personally try to avoid seeing them. No religious conflict, I just don't like the way medicine is practiced in the US.

Yeah, to this effect I kind of have to be basically dying to go to the hospital since America punishes people who have medical problems instead of helping them.
 
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While I would never tell anyone to not see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, I personally try to avoid seeing them. No religious conflict, I just don't like the way medicine is practiced in the US.

Agreed. I, personally, favor natural medicine/homeopathy.

Why didn't Allah give these cures to Moh back in the 7th century? Imagine how our lives would be, disease free, for the past 14 centuries.

Because that was not part of Allaah's plan. Plus, when I get sick, though I'm not necessarily enthusiastic, I remember what the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There is no calamity that befalls a Muslim but Allaah expiates (sin) thereby, even a thorn that pricks him.” [Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 5640]


and

“There is nothing that befalls a believer, not even a thorn that pricks him, but Allaah will record a hasanah (good deed) for him thereby, or erase from him a sin.” [Saheeh Muslim]


I don't get the point of these types of questions. It's like asking why didn't God just not create humans with free will so that we would not make mistakes. Why didn't God take out Satan in the beginning?
 
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The moderner, the better. I want Star Trek medicine.

I'm not impressed by herbs and woo. Then again, modern medicines can have side effects, so I do try to minimize those.


eudaimonia,

Mark
Sadly, a lot of modern medicine IS woo. The money is too big.
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While I would never tell anyone to not see a doctor or follow a doctor's instructions, I personally try to avoid seeing them. No religious conflict, I just don't like the way medicine is practiced in the US.

In this way, I am a witch. No, not Awitch, just a user of herbs and such. Woo can be systematically avoided.
 
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For those of all different religions (and non religions), does modern medicine have a place in your practices/life or does it conflict with your beliefs and you refer to use old medicinal practices?

I believe that modern medicine is a very good thing, it saves lives and alleviates suffering.

While not technically part of the Canon of Scripture I use (since I'm Protestant), the Book of Sirach (found in Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Bibles) is one of my favorite of the Deuterocanonical books (books accepted by Catholics/Orthodox, but generally not by Protestants). In Sirach, this passage is found:

"Give doctors the honor they deserve, for the Lord gave them their work to do. Their skill came from the Most High, and kings reward them for it. Their knowledge gives them a position of importance, and powerful people hold them in high regard. The Lord created medicines from the earth, and a sensible person will not hesitate to use them. Didn't a tree once make bitter water fit to drink, so that the Lord's power might be known? He gave medical knowledge to human beings, so that we would praise Him for the miracles He performs. The druggist mixes these medicines, and the doctor will use them to cure diseases and eas pain. There is no end to the activities of the Lord, who gives health to the people of the world. My child, when you get sick, don't ignore it. Pray to the Lord, and He will make you will. Confess all your sins and determine in the future you will live a righteous life. Offer incense and a grain offering, as fine as you can afford. Then call the doctor--for the Lord created himi--and keep him at your side; you need him. There are times when you have to depend on his skill. The doctor's prayer is that the Lord will make him able to ease his patient's pain and make them well again." - Sirach 38:1-14

Sirach is also known as Ecclesiasticus (not to be confused with Ecclesiastes).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I feel it is a sin to deny modern medicine and get treated. God created the universe and every time we advance further or create something knew god has a hand in that. God allowed for the development of modern medicine and we should not it.

I feel it is a sin because you are testing god. Jesus was told to jump off a cliff by Satan and god would save him. Jesus said you shouldn't test the lord. When you refuse modern medicine you are testing god and telling him to cure you or you will die. We are not here to test god so he probably wouldn't help out. He has already given us the resources to help and cure people and we should use them.
 
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Thanks for the different responses, very interesting.

When I was labelling myself as a Pagan I was leaning more towards natural remedies. Now I am more agnostic than anything I go the way of natural remedies first and if I am still having difficulties which puts myself at risk I will seek out medical help.
 
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For those of all different religions (and non religions), does modern medicine have a place in your practices/life or does it conflict with your beliefs and you refer to use old medicinal practices?

Thanks for your great questions dGirl!

Resort ye, in times of sickness, to competent
physicians; We have not set aside the use of material
means, rather have We confirmed it through this Pen,
which God hath made to be the Dawning-place of His
shining and glorious Cause.


~ Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 60

We also have an advisory which encourages attention to diet::

1003. Treat Disease Through Diet, But Do Not Neglect Medical Care

"Do not neglect medical treatment when it is necessary, but leave it off when health has been restored. Treat disease through diet, by preference, refrain from the use of drugs; and if you find what is required in a single herb, do not resort to a compounded medicament...Abstain from drugs when health is good, but administer them when necessary."

(Bahá'u'lláh: Bahá'u'lláh and the New Era, 1980 ed.,p. 106, cited in...Aspects of Health, Healing, Nutrition and Related Subjects, op. cit.)
(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 294)
 
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Medicine is the applied science or practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease. It encompasses a variety of health care practices evolved to maintain and restore health by the prevention and treatment of illness in human beings.

Contemporary medicine applies health science, biomedical research, and medical technology to diagnose and treat injury and disease, typically through medication or surgery, but also through therapies as diverse as psychotherapy, external splints & traction, prostheses, biologics, ionizing radiation and others.

The word medicine is derived from the Latin ars medicina, meaning the art of healing.
 
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For those of all different religions (and non religions), does modern medicine have a place in your practices/life or does it conflict with your beliefs and you refer to use old medicinal practices?
For my family - from Latin America and the West Indies - medicine itself is a big deal. My own family practiced it for some time long before some herbal remedies became popular in the medical world...and there are still others which are amazing. One I ended up learning of in Jamaica during a trip there 2 yrs ago was something called Lemon Grass ....(known for therapeutic properties and altering mood....similar to what incense does since it alters the mood of the body via smell). Currently, it's not grown on a commercial scale in Jamaica...but I so wanted to take some home after seeing it grown on a farm there---and wondering "

Being involved in the Charismatic movement, it was interesting to see what occurred when it began to break out into the West Indian world...and, for that matter, in other places. Asia being one of them. Some have been of the mindset that they can only see these movements exploding as Asian with their religious background are highly superstitious ..and thus, they don't feel the need to trust in medicine.

Though I do not agree with all assessments made about ministries in Asia---be it those against the Charismatic movement or those for it---I wanted to note that I do think the reasons for certain routes being taken in the Asian community are often due to cultural concerns. In example, there are some Southeast Asian cultures that have a deep distrust for many things modern, including modern medicine, doctors and hospitals. They often rely on their herbal and home remedies...as well as those things tied to the supernatural such as witchdoctors, shamans, incantations, prayers to the dead, etc. Of course, Asia in general is very mystical and believing in the Supernatural--as many of my friends/family have noted when going on Mission trips and business endeavors over there-----but often, many of the remedies do work at times. There was a study awhile back where somebody researched into this a bit, and found that some of the refugees from Southeast Asia were struggling with many health issues because they were not seeking the proper medical attention. This ethnic bias also hindered the new immigrants from getting help from law enforcement, because the refugees often do not trust the police, or the government.

Of course, there is a flip side to this as well---for as many Asian families may be superstitious and not trusting in seeking medical help to address concerns, others are fatalistic. As one group noted:


Asian Cultures and the Acceptance of Uncertainty

Because human beings display a variety of cultural attitudes about controlling external forces, attitudes about time, destiny and fate can vary dramatically different between people. In US American culture, we struggle with simply accepting things as they are which creates high levels of stress and anxiety in our lives. Our inner urge to be busy is directly related to our need to control life’s uncertainty and feelings of powerlessness toward external forces. We focus on the individual as the locus of control in decision making and put little faith in fate or karma. Many Asian people, by comparison, have a strong belief that uncertainty is inherent in life and each day is taken as it comes. This mindset manifests in health beliefs and behaviors in significant ways. A fatalistic attitude about sickness may make Asian patients/families seem resigned to their situation. Talking in terms of beating a disease will not resonate with those who embrace an attitude of acceptance. US healthcare professionals will benefit from keeping this cultural difference in mind when dealing with Asian patients/families. Acceptance of what life brings does not indicate an unwillingness to cooperate with doctors and treatment, but rather a belief that fighting illness is a negative approach to healing.



Some of this is similar to some families that claim to not believe that God heals by faith and yet in their view of God's Sovereignty, all that does happen was MEANT to happen. Its one of the things that often does not come up in discussion with Charismatic ministries emphasizing faith, to be clear, as many will often focus on how many in the Faith Movement blame the person for having a "lack of faith" if healing/miraculous events do not occur because of their desire to not defame God and wishing to see God as not being the source of what's percieved as "evil". This is interesting seeing how the scriptures often note where God healed others DESPITE faith never being present in many cases. ...and in many ways, when taking responsibility for why an event doesn't result positively, it aids those who are very passionate about defending the concept of GOD's Goodness/God not being the cause of any kind of evil. For them, it keeps them from getting into a mindset of blaming God for things that may be of their own making.......and this is similar to what the Jews had with Retribution Theology.

However, as much as those churches may be in error on some parts, there are just as many instances where Churches will often blame God with the same mindset of not misrepresenting Him. The only difference is that they do so from the angle of not wishing to misrepresent God as being limited in ability or scope of power---and from their viewpoint, saying healing is dependent on faith (as scripture notes in many instances) is saying God is not all powerful/able to handle anything.

Thus, they end up ascribing to the mindset that all events in life are as God wills it....and if someone didn't get healed or they died, it was what God wanted---regardless of what the scripture says about personal responsibility or how God noted many events were never what He desired. In a way, it aids with coping...as its easier to deal with something that doesn't change after you've done all you can when believing that "God gave me this cancer, so I'm going to be thankful for it." Of course, the viewpoint does not stay limited to issues of healing...as it spreads out to other areas as well, such as saying cases of rape and destruction or people growing up in abusive situations was all according to God's plan....and when it comes to the scriptures dealing with issues of God ordaining events, the scriptures will be extended as inclusive of ALL situations.


Culture truly does impact us in radical ways/opens us up to certain venues....

Some of this is similar to things I've seen in Black culture---specifically, West Indian culture when it comes to reliance on herbal remedies and trusting in the supernatural. For many in black culture, I've often noticed how there has often been more of a bent toward trusting in healing by faith/supernatural due to deep mistrust of doctors....just as it is in some Asian cultures.

To be clear, I pray that what I'm saying is not taken as if I'm for the mindset that I only trust in the Supernatural. Concerning the side of the street that I grew up in, I'm of the mindset that God still heals both with medical and supernatural means. I'm also of the mindset that one's faith--seen in their actions---can have a great effect on their physical states.


Nonetheless, I've seen it where cultural norms can cross over/affect certain groups specifically..to the point where certain behavioral patterns will often come up more so than in other places. I've seen this often specifically with Black Men avoiding going to doctors. For many---including those believing in Divine Healing---there's also the reality of going to doctors for examination/getting help being seen as "weakness", expressed in not being smart enough to avoid being taken advantage of when it comes to allowing others to "cure" you rather than you and God....for when it comes to the Medical Profession, one of the things that keeps some black men from seeing doctors are historical distrust of the profession.....and on distrust, there are indeed a myriad of reasons, specifically in events where black men were treated wrongly in things like the Tuskegee medical experiments conducted by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) between 1932 and 1972 on 399 African-American adult male subjects who were diagnosed as having late stage syphilis.


One can go online and look up an article by the name of Case Study 3: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study and Research Ethics: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study. . For the experiments were unjustified on moral/ethical grounds----some of them being downright racist and genocidal even if scientific research was done. And as other experiments like it have occurred while simultaneously giving impression that everything in the Medical World is good, it's something to be aware of when it's the case of others going to the opposite extreme of "No Doctors, Only JESUS!!!" by making it seem that all doctors/medical realities are legit. The suspicion and fear generated by the Tuskegee Syphilis Study is more than evident today, as community workers report mistrust of public health institutions within the African American community....

Alpha Thomas of the Dallas Urban League testified before the National Commission on AIDS the following:



So many African American people I work with do not trust hospitals or any of the other community health care service providers because of that Tuskegee Experiment" (National Commission on AIDS, 1990).








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I cannot speak for all on the boards--as I can only speak in reference to my culture on this one. But in many Black Churches believing that Prayer is the only means of healing available, it's a battle. And on the issue, I do believe culture makes a difference....as there's a reason why in many churches, especially Black Ones, there's the view that one should look solely to the Lord for healing/distrust the medical profession in general. Some stigmas are passed down generationally.....and how one also feels on the issue is seen in what their experiences are.

Many sicknesses can be avoided if detected early...but they get missed. In example, although prostate cancer is highly treatable if it’s detected early, there’s a huge disparity for African American men...And this disparity does not exist for any other cancer. According to the Prostate Cancer Foundation, African American men are 61% more likely to develop prostate cancer compared with Caucasian men and are nearly 2.5 times as likely to die from the disease. African Americans also develop prostate cancer earlier in life, and get a more aggressive form of the disease.

Unfortunately, men in general don’t go to a doctor until they’re sick

The issue of Prostate cancer involves the reality of stigmas...& people often feeling ashamed due to what others may think of them. And it's a growing problem---as too many church men were dying of preventable illnesses related to poor health. One church actually had it where the pastor ordered all the men in the church to seek Medical Help..

And some have even go so far as to go to the Barber shops where men are at in order to reach them. For more examples, one can go online and look up a ministry known as "Project Brotherhood: Bringing Health Care to African-American Men in Barber Shops". . For others to investigate:



 
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Modern medicine has a big place in our family, as my mother is an OB-Gyn and we were encouraged to see the benefits in medicine while not trusting it wholeheartidly. My Great-Grandfather (102yrs currently) would often grow things in his back-yard garden and my Great-Grandmother would do the same with development of herbal medicine.

For many skeptical of modern medicine, many believers have noted the need to use naturopathic treatments that were available to others when many things were not allowed. Many have noted that often when it comes to utilizing things others have always done throughout history....such as learning of what the Lord has provided in the simplicity of creation (i.e plants, herbs, fruits, etc) and using them to create differing means of healing methods. Much of it has worked often and many within the medical field have noted how much medicine seems to be shifting toward a naturopathic perspective. Osteopathic medicine is also on the rise, as it concerns ministering healing through adjustment of the body (i.e. massage, addressing bone joints, stretching, etc).

For others in places where modern medicine has not been able to be as available as it is in the U.S, utilizing osteopathic medicine has been beneficial since one can work naturally with what's available rather than feel dependent on an infrastructure that may not be available quickly. My friend, who is from Jamaica and in the field of medicine, has seen this often growing up when her family lived in poor areas---and yet simple things helped them stay in shape. Osteopathic medicine emphasizes the interrelationship between structure and function of the body and recognizes the body's ability to heal itself......

Using creation to help people in the place of medicine is no different than what happened with others such as George Washington Carver all over again, as the man only had nature to work with in keeping many people healthy in the SOuth--and he did a myriad of amazing things that still astound many....and to him, it was all about going to what the Lord prescribed in Genesis 1 when he gave man fruit/vegetables to eat in order to be sustained. Many of those in the old school still go with that, trusting in the Lord to heal them/keep them as they seek to be healthy and utilize what he made....

George Washington Carver actually spoke on the issue in-depth one time ...seeing the extensive myriad of ways that he witnessed healings through the natural world as the Lord Himself gave him many of the RADICAL ideas he had via botany and agriculture and finding extensive ways to make others whole by his God-Given creativity.

Dr. George W. Carver made many medical contributions, including using a combination of oil derived from peanuts, called Penol, together with physical therapy to restore the use of atrophied limbs of Polio and infantile paralysis victims. The oil was utilized by massaging it into a patient’s atrophied muscles. This proved to be somewhat helpful..and this could be attributed to Carver’s advanced message techniques he acquired at Iowa State while serving as an athletic trainer. One of his most surprising peanut-related contributions to mankind was his extraction of a peanut oil which aided in restoring wasted tissues. To prove the value of the oil, he took photographs of the deformed limbs of children before treating them and then after a year of treatment. The remarkable improvement evidenced by the pictures started a stream of ailing children to his laboratory, and, with the help of his students, all were treated

As he said in one of his correspondance letters on December 16, 1934, as he wrote to the mother of James Hardwick:

My esteemed friend Mrs. Hardwick,

Thank you so much for your beautiful card with its Greetings. I have not written to you in a long time, but my thoughts and prayers have been for you daily. Our patients have usurped almost all of my spare time. God continues to speak through the oils in a truly marvelous way.

I have patients who come to me on crutches, who are now walking 6 miles without tiring, without either crutch or cane. (one man).

My last patient today was one of the sweetest little 5 year old boys, who 3 months ago they had to carry in my room, being paralyzed from the waist down. When I had finished the massage today, much to our astonishment he dressed himself and stood up and walked across the floor without any support. He is a handsome little fellow and so happy that he is improving, (and I too).

I said Our patients, because I feel that your prayers help to make it possible.

Since last Dec. 31st I have received 2020 letters, plus the people who come every day and almost every night for treatment. It is truly marvelous what God is doing.

Continue to pray for me please that I may be a more fit medium through which He can Speak....

I am so gratefully yours,

G.W. Carver 43




Most people are often not aware of how many healing revivals he was in support of---and how often he'd ask his church to pray/intercede for him so that the miraculous would occur. One can go here for more and see directly what his thoughts were...and if interested, there was actually a thread elsewhere on the subject that I was able to have with others within the Faith movement on George Washington Carver and how his faith literally impacted countless others. It can be found here.


Ancient practitioners identified what plants possessed various healing properties. In some cases, they attributed these properties to higher powers, but in large part, they accepted the medicinal powers of plants at face value -- the plants did what they did. As scientific inquiry developed, however, nothing could be taken at face value. Once science had a grasp on the interactions between drugs and the body, it became possible to synthesize natural compounds through chemistry. Consequently, science and tradition diverged. In the first edition of the American Pharmacopoeia, published in 1820, 70 percent of drugs were plant-based. In the 1960 edition, 5.3 percent were of plant origin [source: Royal Society of Medicine].


For articles:
As divergent as folk medicine and modern medicine became over time, chemists have occasionally doubled back to the traditional roots of medicine in order to move forward...and for many getting fearful of the medicial industry failing, it's simply going back to what was present in the Book of Acts again.

Granted, traditional medicine is not to be feared. There are variations of healing and differing ways that the Lord heals others. Some of them can be based more so on naturalistic means and some on Supernatural ones----though the reality, all of them are GIFTS of the Lord that cannot exist without His provision. The brilliance that another came up with to develop technology for healing others through things such as surgery..or, for that matter, utilizing what God created in the world of plants/herbs and fruits that all had healing elements within them comes from the hand of Christ.

Nothing good can exist apart from him....and I think sometimes people try to make distinctions where there are none. Having a mother who is a doctor and who always loved studying others who were believers within the world of science, it was a trip to see others who saw the power of the Lord through medicine...and saw how often that was a means of the Lord healing JUST as much as His healing via answering a prayer/immediately healing someone on the spot. For Jesus, who is the sustainer of all things according to Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1, is the source of all healings and always has been....

Dr. Benjamin Carson, who was/is one of the greatest doctors and physicans of all time and has led the way in many cutting edge scientific breakthroughs, has often noted how it was GOD alone who responsible for enabling him to see how he could heal the human body MEDICALLY...even when he was doing surgery, for it was the Lord who guided His hands. As a strong believer in Christ, the man always amazes me whenever he goes to conferences and alerts others as to how the POWER of Jesus is what makes his work possible....and how all others experience the Grace of the Lord to do as they do, even if they try to deny Him.
 
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