Mazzaroth

[visionary]

In another thread, the subject of the stars and the study of them came up, saying that we haven't really done a study on something that David said

Ps 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth His Handiwork.

So here goes.. I decided start with Libra. Libra is the time of the feast of tabernacles, the time of Simchat Torah, the time to start a new year.

The sign is also known as the Scales or Weighing. In Coptic, the sign Libra is called Lambadia, which means Station of Propitiation and the literal translation means the Grace of the Branch.

Isaiah 40:12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

Quite often when you look for a sign of Libra you will find it pictured as a pair of old fashioned balances, you know, the horizontal beam supported with a pivot in the middle and pans of equal weight suspended at each end.

Even the symbol given it is the scale.

There are several stars used to form the scale. Al Zumena, which is Arabic for purchase or redemption. There are three stars of which SubenAl Genubi is the brightest. It means the Price which is Deficient. It is the pivot star.

Psalm 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

The next brightest star is Zuben Al Chemali means the Price which covers. All those in Heaven declares

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

On the other side of the scales is Zuben Akrabi which means the Price of Conflict. So the Libra sign is stating the God has weighed us, found us wanting, and redeemed us by paying the full price demanded by God because the wages of sin is death.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Funny how disdainful you are of the rabbis and tradition, but how you seem to love THIS kind of nonsense.

Go figure...

 

[yonah_mishael]

Did you mean mazalot (constellations)?

 

[visionary]

Did you mean mazalot (constellations)?

yes.

 

[visionary]

Funny how disdainful you are of the rabbis and tradition, but how you seem to love THIS kind of nonsense.

Go figure...

?? May the Lord bless you with a loving heart and a grateful mind. May you be blessed with an ever expanding knowledge of Him who loves you so.

 

[Steve Petersen]

?? May the Lord bless you with a loving heart and a grateful mind. May you be blessed with an ever expanding knowledge of Him who loves you so.

Yeah, goosebumps = God dont'cha know!

 

[visionary]

Yeah, goosebumps = God dont'cha know!

I wish only the best and pray that His Spirit comes upon you in a mighty way. I love you and like you. You and I have been here for many years. We do not often get to talk but I support the work you do in GT and other areas of the forum, where you are a mighty warrior for Him and the truth. I know how hard that can be sometimes.

 

[Steve Petersen]

I don't intend to contribute anything meaningful here anymore since you all have expelled Judaism from the MJ forum.

 

[visionary]

I don't intend to contribute anything meaningful here anymore since you all have expelled Judaism from the MJ forum.

Not Judaism... just certain Rabbinical traditions where Gentiles are treated spiritually beneath worthy.

 

[visionary]

Some interesting other items in the same area of the sky as Libra is a set of four stars known as Crux. You might of heard of them as the southern cross.

If you are like I am, living in the northern hemisphere, you would not have ever seen it. It is below our horizon Now if you are living below the equator, you would see the four bright stars forming a reasonably shaped cross underneath another group called Centaurus. I ran across a place where it says that it was visible very low on the southern horizon during the life of Yeshua. Since that was at the time when Pisces was "in the house", it would make sense that it was visible.

The ancient name for this is Adom which means cutting off...like the cut off found in Dan 9:26. The cutting of the covenant in Jeremiah 34:18 is also the same term. Tau which is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet has been in the form of a cross.

Another constellation in the region of Libra is Lupus depending on what material you are reading, is known as the Victim. In Hebrew it is known as Asedah and in Arabian it is Asedaton, both mean To be slain.

It is depicted as a dead dog or wolf.

Corona is also known as Corona Borealis or Northern Crown, found northeast of the star Arcturus.

It got its name from this picture.

The Hebrew name for Corona is Atarah which means Royal Crown. In Arabic it name means Ornament or Jewel.

So to sum this all up so far, we have a scale and the balance, the mark of the cross, the slain victim, and the crown.

 

[Yahudim]

Steve,

Funny how disdainful you are of a Sister in Messiah, but how you seem to love the 'rabbis and tradition' more. That is messed up.

Notice how I did NOT characterize the rabbis and tradition as "THIS kind of nonsense" like you did of your Sister Visionary's interest in the names of stars and the symbolism they represent. There is much to learn from the rabbis and tradition, mainly as historical or cultural context to Messianic Judaism. But the stars are named by the Father in heaven and therefore worthy of our interest too, and traditional Judaism is a little different than Messianic Judaism, don't you think?

Some of us here are more interested in 1) Messianic Judaism as described by Messiah, than traditional Judaism as a manner of observance, and 2) we are taking the admonition to seek 'out the deeper things' seriously. So we take the information we can glean from the rabbis and tradition seriously - but not as mandatory. We also look to the names of stars for clues the Father left for His children. This 'either or' approach that you seem to champion makes about as much sense as the false dichotomy of 'Law or Grace', when we all here know the instruction of HaShem IS grace.

The Father named the stars personally. You think that this was some kind of random act that holds no significance to man? I didn't think HaShem did random. To use the old southern colloquialism, 'Bury your head in the sand and there is only one thing left sticking up'. Please forgive me if I question your priorities in this matter. I hope you will give your response (and your Sister's value) a little more thought.

Blessings on You and Yours,
Phillip

Funny how disdainful you are of the rabbis and tradition, but how you seem to love THIS kind of nonsense.

Go figure...

 

[Yahudim]

Great find Vis,

Get the feeling like this might just be a smaller part of a larger story?

Some interesting other items in the same area of the sky as Libra is a set of four stars known as Crux. You might of heard of them as the southern cross.

If you are like I am, living in the northern hemisphere, you would not have ever seen it. It is below our horizon Now if you are living below the equator, you would see the four bright stars forming a reasonably shaped cross underneath another group called Centaurus. I ran across a place where it says that it was visible very low on the southern horizon during the life of Yeshua. Since that was at the time when Pisces was "in the house", it would make sense that it was visible.

The ancient name for this is Adom which means cutting off...like the cut off found in Dan 9:26. The cutting of the covenant in Jeremiah 34:18 is also the same term. Tau which is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet has been in the form of a cross.

Another constellation in the region of Libra is Lupus depending on what material you are reading, is known as the Victim. In Hebrew it is known as Asedah and in Arabian it is Asedaton, both mean To be slain.

It is depicted as a dead dog or wolf.

Corona is also known as Corona Borealis or Northern Crown, found northeast of the star Arcturus.

It got its name from this picture.

The Hebrew name for Corona is Atarah which means Royal Crown. In Arabic it name means Ornament or Jewel.

So to sum this all up so far, we have a scale and the balance, the mark of the cross, the slain victim, and the crown.

 

[visionary]

I know I am scratching the surface, with just names and identifying the constellations in their houses. Thank you Phillip for your support in the effort, meager that it is, to get a hint of the story of redemption in the stars.

The Southern Cross has not even been seen in Jerusalem area since Yeshua because we have moved on to the next constellation house, makes the timing interesting. It is almost as if Yeshua gained a sign taking the "sting" out of Satan's claim. Libra is the only constellation representing an inanimate object. The stars that make up the constellation Libra were once considered part of Scorpius. I have yet to find out anything on the what, where and why came the change.

One thing I did find out was it was Roman astronomers who redrew the skyline and moved the claws of the scorpion to Libra yet to the Romans, Libra represented the scales of justice being held by the goddess Virgo. Greeks viewed Libra as the claws of Scorpius reaching out. The association with scales and balance began with the ancient Babylonians, with the scales representing the balance.

Libra is the seventh sign and is between Sept. 23 and Oct. 22.

 

[Yahudim]

I read that the names of the stars are a fascinating study, because in different language groups, the stars have different names, but similar or identical name meanings; such as Regulus in the Latin meaning 'king' (where we get the term regal) and in Hebrew is melech, also meaning king. This is a curious phenomenon that lends support to the story of the confusion of the language at Bavel. Just a thought (since I contributed so little ).

Sorry I haven't contributed much lately. Deep in a study of my own right now and it is one I promised to publish soon.

I know I am scratching the surface, with just names and identifying the constellations in their houses. Thank you Phillip for your support in the effort, meager that it is, to get a hint of the story of redemption in the stars.

The Southern Cross has not even been seen in Jerusalem area since Yeshua because we have moved on to the next constellation house, makes the timing interesting. It is almost as if Yeshua gained a sign taking the "sting" out of Satan's claim. Libra is the only constellation representing an inanimate object. The stars that make up the constellation Libra were once considered part of Scorpius. I have yet to find out anything on the what, where and why came the change.

One thing I did find out was it was Roman astronomers who redrew the skyline and moved the claws of the scorpion to Libra yet to the Romans, Libra represented the scales of justice being held by the goddess Virgo. Greeks viewed Libra as the claws of Scorpius reaching out. The association with scales and balance began with the ancient Babylonians, with the scales representing the balance.

Libra is the seventh sign and is between Sept. 23 and Oct. 22.

 

[visionary]

I am looking forward to it. Still waiting for Ephesians to show up at my door.

 

[Yahudim]

I bought the Kindle version. So it's on every device I own and instantaneously I might add!

I am looking forward to it. Still waiting for Ephesians to show up at my door.

 

[ChavaK]

What source are you using for this material?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I think of the constellations in 13 time periods.


Like to say that we have intervals of being in certain Constellation, as if we look back to the past and see a time spent in the Bull, and then when Jesus comes, he comes in the constellation of the fish and makes people fishers of men.

Something like that, but just for amusement.


There is no doubt of the use of the Zodiac in the bible, figuring out that use is a hard thing though.

I think the 4 camps camped accordingly to there Constellations and I would put 3 men at each end of the Temple design and put 3 constellation at each end of the temple along with the 3 men. So we would have 3 men in the west and the names of three constellations accordingly, 3 men in the east, ect.


At all 4 ends of the Temple, we see an ox a lion, a bird, and a man, and then I think of the sphinx.

How curious it is and its common links with the camps of Israel.

 

[visionary]

Aquarius - the great water bearer. Our Savior identified Himself as the fulfillment of Aquarius in John 4:14. He said, "Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

 

[visionary]

As Yeshua was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

They were thing the end of Pisces, the age they were living in. But it was not to be. We are now entering into the age of Aquarius and I believe it is the end of age that Yeshua prophesied about. Yeshua said that in the time of the end there will be a sign in the sky, Matt 24:30 “the sign of the Son of man in heaven” I have to ask... what "sign" would that be?