Masturbation and Fantasy

[wingcross]

one more thing to add,

before we do anything .... ask ourselves, are we honouring God in this way ?

 

[TheDag]

why is lusting after a woman wrong in the first place

I have a broader definition of lusting then you do so for this reason we won't ever agree on this matter (which is fine as long as you've thought about what you believe and why. I think you've done this which is great).

 

[Shizzle]

I have a broader definition of lusting then you do so for this reason we won't ever agree on this matter (which is fine as long as you've thought about what you believe and why. I think you've done this which is great).

but our definitions of lusting dont matter, shouldnt we look for the bibles definition of lusting.. context

one more thing to add,

before we do anything .... ask ourselves, are we honouring God in this way?

we need to maintain our bodies to spread Gods messages, and masturbation reduces the risk of prostate cancer, and relieves stress.
Are you honoring God when you talk, eat, sleep, walk, breath, watch tv, listen to music, think, learn, goto school, goto college, goto work?

is best to stay away from it.

it can leads man to the unknown.

God says not to lean to the right or to the left, not to sin nor superstition

deuteronomy 5:32 So be careful to do what the LORD your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left.

What are you talking about, if its not wrong/sinful period, what possible gain would anyone have by staying away from it,

 

[TheDag]

but our definitions of lusting dont matter, shouldnt we look for the bibles definition of lusting.. context

I believe I can back up my definition from scripture and you believe you can back up your definition from scripture. As I said we have different definitions due to the different ways we interpret scripture. I don't think there is much use debating those differences either. My view on masturbation is in the middle of yours and people who think its just wrong.

God says not to lean to the right or to the left, not to sin nor superstition

deuteronomy 5:32 So be careful to do what the LORD your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left.

What are you talking about, if its not wrong/sinful period, what possible gain would anyone have by staying away from it,

just because it isn't sinful doesn't neccesarily make it beneficial. Also lusting often does lead people into sin so by lusting they are not fleeing from temptation like instructed and that is a problem. But look on the bright sideas least we fully agree on the alcohol issue!

 

[Shizzle]

just because it isn't sinful doesn't neccesarily make it beneficial.

It reduces the risk of prostate cancer

 

[Anwar]

why is lusting after a woman wrong in the first place

Because if ur married and ur lusting its adultry right off the back , if ur single and lusting it would lead to sexual immorality and other things that would lead you away from God

 

[Shizzle]

Because if ur married and ur lusting its adultry right off the back ,

maybe, but why?

if ur single and lusting it would lead to sexual immorality and other things that would lead you away from God

nope, you have no logical support for this, and from experience i know it doesnt

 

[Anwar]

MAYBE i shouldve worded it better than I did, being married and looking lustfully after a women still would qualify as you cheating because ur thinking impure thoughts, being single a lusting could be worse unless u have good self control, but its like watch porn for the first time, over time u would want to watch it more and more, and then by the time u want to stop it would start to consume ur time

 

[Shizzle]

alright, when we die, were going to be on a big smoldering burrito, with a pack of rabbid squirrel llammas.

MAYBE i shouldve worded it better than I did, being married and looking lustfully after a women still would qualify as you cheating because ur thinking impure thoughts,

why are they impure thoughts? why are the thoughts impure? you have no logical support

being single a lusting could be worse unless u have good self control,

what logical support? im saying that from experience, this is plainly false.

but its like watch porn for the first time, over time u would want to watch it more and more, and then by the time u want to stop it would start to consume ur time

no, its not like watching porn for the first time, but yes porn can consume you. What logical support

 

[TheDag]

being married and looking lustfully after a women still would qualify as you cheating because ur thinking impure thoughts

Only if your not thinking of your partner of course? right?

 

[Anwar]

It does qualify as cheating when ur not thinking of ur partner in the same way u see this vixen in the streets, and Shizzle please explain , why do u keep saying Logic ....what do u mean

 

[Shizzle]

Shizzle please explain , why do u keep saying Logic ....what do u mean

When you posted, you assumed many things By logic i meant rational, reason, makes sense, adds up, supported by facts/bible verses.. I mean that your just saying this, not saying why it is

MAYBE i shouldve worded it better than I did, being married and looking lustfully after a women still would qualify as you cheating because ur thinking impure thoughts, being single a lusting could be worse unless u have good self control, but its like watch porn for the first time, over time u would want to watch it more and more, and then by the time u want to stop it would start to consume ur time

Through all this you never said why, you didnt give any verses to why those thoughts are lustful or impure, you never said why its like watching porn for the first time. You said when your single, it would lead to sexual immorality. why

 

[kimberli33]

I dont hold much with mans logic-
The Bible says
There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is death.

 

[Shizzle]

I dont hold much with mans logic-
The Bible says
There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is death.

And the bible doesnt say or even feintly infer that masturbation or fantasy is wrong, therefore it isnt. Why wouldnt God put it in there if it were wrong? logically, we can assume that its not wrong because God didnt say it was, because he tells us which things are sinful, but doesnt point out everything thats not.

 

[Anwar]

thinking logic isnt a strong point i have, but ive seen this be kind of thing happen to many people i know

 

[kimberli33]

And the bible doesnt say or even feintly infer that masturbation or fantasy is wrong, therefore it isnt. Why wouldnt God put it in there if it were wrong? logically, we can assume that its not wrong because God didnt say it was, because he tells us which things are sinful, but doesnt point out everything thats not.

I guess it depends on what you are thinking(fantasizing)The bible does say not to think on things that are unpure.

 

[josephrobert]

I could say that Masturbation is wrong. Cause the lord jesus corrected that adultery is sin even if it is comitted in the Thoughts. But we are all human beigns and the medical doctors say it is healthy to touch instead of holding it. So i would say when you can't hold too long enough just bust it out. This problem is especially seen in majority of the Single adults and some times married couples also. It is no good that you are addicted to this. Try your best to get married or otherwise you have very few options left with you.

 

[Shizzle]

I could say that Masturbation is wrong. Cause the lord jesus corrected that adultery is sin even if it is comitted in the Thoughts.

You refer to Matthew 5:28

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Whosever looketh on a woman, then it has additional conditions for the conseuquence, which was commiting adultery. However, the main action was looking upon a woman. Adultery means illicit sex in greek, it does not mean sex outside of marriage, or something else like that. Since God was very specific on what must be done for illicit sex to occur, we can see that the main action is not fulfilled, therefore sin does not occur. This doesnt say that sex in thoughts is equal to sex in reality.

This problem is especially seen in majority of the Single adults and some times married couples also. It is no good that you are addicted to this.

thats like saying your addicted to urination, its a bodily function.

 

[josephrobert]

You refer to Matthew 5:28

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Whosever looketh on a woman, then it has additional conditions for the conseuquence, which was commiting adultery. However, the main action was looking upon a woman. Adultery means illicit sex in greek, it does not mean sex outside of marriage, or something else like that. Since God was very specific on what must be done for illicit sex to occur, we can see that the main action is not fulfilled, therefore sin does not occur. This doesnt say that sex in thoughts is equal to sex in reality.


thats like saying your addicted to urination, its a bodily function.

Can anybody agree with Sex outside marriage is not adultery?. I mean for me it is adultery. Lusting in the Thoughts itself is adultery that is what the above verse infers. I don't think god would approve sexual relationship between a man and a woman outside marraige. How can you commit adultery without Lusting in the first case. The Lord Jesus was very clear about the case. If you commit sin even in your thoughts it is Indeed a SIN. In other words the Lord exactly meant that we have to Purify ourselves from all kinds of unrighteouness even in the thought process. Or to start with your thought process also should be clean from all SINS.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Actually, the bible does say clearly its viewpoint, and the speaker was Jesus ;


"You heard that it was said,' You must not commit adultery'. But i say to you that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already commited adultery with her in his heart"- Mattew 5:27,28