Lordy, There Are Tapes

[SimplyMe]

He had the ability to declassify anything. The issue here is the fact that it sounds like he knew that this document was not one and that he had it. So, this sounds pretty damning at this point.

Will it be? I guess we'll see. Just like a lot of things is this just damage in the eyes of the public or is this recording a legal matter that can be challenged. Is it a legal recording? If it's not it cannot be used against him in a criminal case.

We've got about a year and a half to find out. They better hurry if they want to go after him for this before the election. Or will this just on the face of it harm his election chances.

You mean if it's illegal, it can't be used (much the same, but a bit of difference - it took me a minute to understand what you meant by a "legal recording")? If he had the expectation of privacy in a two-party state, then it may not be admissible. Yeah, but right now, we just don't know.

It's interesting, though. Who leaked the info?

From what I'm seeing, the recording is legal. New Jersey, from what I've found, is a "one-party consent" state, meaning the recording from Trump's Bedminster Golf Resort would be a legal recording even without Trump agreeing to be recorded. Florida, however, is a "two party consent" state, so there likely won't be recordings from Mar-A-Lago.

 

[SummerMadness]

You mean if it's illegal, it can't be used (much the same, but a bit of difference - it took me a minute to understand what you meant by a "legal recording")? If he had the expectation of privacy in a two-party state, then it may not be admissible. Yeah, but right now, we just don't know.

It's interesting, though. Who leaked the info?

NJ is a single-party consent state, so the recording is legal no matter how you slice it.

 

[SummerMadness]

From what I'm seeing, the recording is legal. New Jersey, from what I've found, is a "one-party consent" state, meaning the recording from Trump's Bedminster Golf Resort would be a legal recording even without Trump agreeing to be recorded. Florida, however, is a "two party consent" state, so there likely won't be recordings from Mar-A-Lago.

Ah, beat me to it. The recording is all good in the eyes of the law. Trump should be toast, but when you've already fomenting a rebellion once, you may wriggle out of this corruption. This is a true test of the American rule of law and order of society.

 

[rjs330]

Well the Democrats have been trying to get this man in jail for a long time. I'm not sure if it will happen this time either. He's indicted now on other things. So we still have to let the legal system work itself out. Will it all happen before the election? I guess we'll see. Will many of the American people see this as a political attack against a hated foe?
Will the American people see this as a hypocritical partisan pursuit of justice? Will enough of the American people view this as weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent? Are we being told the whole story or are we just hearing the side the democrats want us to hear? Will it stand under the scrutiny of the courts?
All this needs to be answered. And we have one year to find out. That's not a lot of time.

 

[Say it aint so]

Well the Democrats have been trying to get this man in jail for a long time. I'm not sure if it will happen this time either. He's indicted now on other things. So we still have to let the legal system work itself out. Will it all happen before the election? I guess we'll see. Will many of the American people see this as a political attack against a hated foe?
Will the American people see this as a hypocritical partisan pursuit of justice? Will enough of the American people view this as weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent? Are we being told the whole story or are we just hearing the side the democrats want us to hear? Will it stand under the scrutiny of the courts?
All this needs to be answered. And we have one year to find out. That's not a lot of time.

No. Not one thing to do with Democrats. Trump always flirts with the law thinking laws don't apply to him. He has a long history of it. He would have been better off, the country better off, if he would have stayed NY and running his Trump U, Trump Foundation, and subcontractor scamming schemes. Both of his impeachments were solely on actions he decided to take himself. But he won the presidency and that position comes with more power and yet more responsibilities, and Trump is an absolute power monger yet utterly irresponsible.

He is a walking self inflicted gun shot wound.

 

[rjs330]

No. Not one thing to do with Democrats. Trump always flirts with the law thinking laws don't apply to him. He has a long history of it. He would have been better off, the country better off, if he would have stayed NY and running his Trump U, Trump Foundation, and subcontractor scamming schemes. Both of his impeachments were solely on actions he decided to take himself. But he won the presidency and that position comes with more power and yet more responsibilities, and Trump is an absolute power monger yet utterly irresponsible.

He is a walking self inflicted gun shot wound.

Yes democrats. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm not saying he's done nothing wrong ever. I'm saying the Democrats have been the ones pursuing him 24/7 since his nomination. It's true and you need to be honest with yourself about it.

 

[Say it aint so]

Yes democrats. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm not saying he's done nothing wrong ever. I'm saying the Democrats have been the ones pursuing him 24/7 since his nomination. It's true and you need to be honest with yourself about it.

So when he does wrong, and his party chooses out of fear to do nothing, and the Democrats act, then it's the Dems who are the blame.
When Trump does things that spur DOJ investigations, an institution that is staunchly conservative, then it's the Dems who are the blame.
What you need to realize is Trump, from his start in NY to now, always does things wrong.
What investigation do you think Dems are or have wrongly pursued?

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes democrats. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm not saying he's done nothing wrong ever. I'm saying the Democrats have been the ones pursuing him 24/7 since his nomination. It's true and you need to be honest with yourself about it.

Perhaps you're the one who needs to be honest. It is not just Democrats - Comey, Mueller and Rosenstien are all Republicans. For the two years of the Mueller investigation, Donald was also investigated by the Republican controlled House and the Republican controlled Senate.

Seriously, you should read the latest indictment by Jack Smith. It's pretty detailed and very readable. It even has pictures and dialog!

 

[childeye 2]

Yes democrats. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm not saying he's done nothing wrong ever. I'm saying the Democrats have been the ones pursuing him 24/7 since his nomination. It's true and you need to be honest with yourself about it.

The charges allege Trump did something wrong. That will have to be proven in a court of law. That's where we're at. It's not right to blame the Democratic party for the way government works.

 

[Hans Blaster]

From what I'm seeing, the recording is legal. New Jersey, from what I've found, is a "one-party consent" state, meaning the recording from Trump's Bedminster Golf Resort would be a legal recording even without Trump agreeing to be recorded. Florida, however, is a "two party consent" state, so there likely won't be recordings from Mar-A-Lago.

It's also irrelevant since this tape is from a reporter/ghostwriter working on Mark Meadow's book. Both the writer and Trump's people recorded the conversation and openly. (Trump is apparently concerned about misquotation so he has his people record the interview to have a counter-record if the reporter lies.)

 

[SimplyMe]

Well the Democrats have been trying to get this man in jail for a long time. I'm not sure if it will happen this time either. He's indicted now on other things. So we still have to let the legal system work itself out. Will it all happen before the election? I guess we'll see. Will many of the American people see this as a political attack against a hated foe?
Will the American people see this as a hypocritical partisan pursuit of justice? Will enough of the American people view this as weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent? Are we being told the whole story or are we just hearing the side the democrats want us to hear? Will it stand under the scrutiny of the courts?
All this needs to be answered. And we have one year to find out. That's not a lot of time.

From something I read this morning, allegedly the judges in the Florida Federal Courts want to ensure people have a speedy trial. As such, it appears that the trial could start within 70 days of the indictment -- so possibly starting in August. OTOH, Trump has been known to try to delay legal proceedings as long as possible and, particularly since one count would prevent him from holding Federal Office, Trump may try to delay the trial until after the election.

 

[perplexed]

Will the American people see this as a hypocritical partisan pursuit of justice?

I agree that far too many government employees have been political operatives for the Democratic party but unless the tapes discussing attack plans are clearly a Hoax the "American people" won't care. Discussion of attack plans with people that don't have clearance could be a punchline in a comedy show about a totally inappropriate President.

Trump has a high chance of losing.

Trump will not go quietly, Trump will throw many Tantrums that will divide the Republican party. The partisan Democrats will celebrate the fact that conservatives don't have a chance.

I would really prefer it if the conservatives had a chance, I will have a tremendous desire to throw many Tantrums just like Trump.

 

[SummerMadness]

Well the Democrats have been trying to get this man in jail for a long time. I'm not sure if it will happen this time either. He's indicted now on other things. So we still have to let the legal system work itself out. Will it all happen before the election? I guess we'll see. Will many of the American people see this as a political attack against a hated foe?
Will the American people see this as a hypocritical partisan pursuit of justice? Will enough of the American people view this as weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent? Are we being told the whole story or are we just hearing the side the democrats want us to hear? Will it stand under the scrutiny of the courts?
All this needs to be answered. And we have one year to find out. That's not a lot of time.

You could also not commit crimes. Your post is an attempt to change the subject. President took classified material and knew he was breaking the law when he held it and tried to hide it. Stay on the subject.

 

[disciple Clint]

The problem here is the only time Trump claims declassification is on TV.
The only time his lawyers claim declassification is on TV.
When pressed in courts on declassification, his lawyers back away from that claim like crabs away from a pot of boiling water.
Apparently they don't want to be on that growing list of sanctioned Trump lawyers.

OK since we have not seen anything except what we see on TV what would we expect.

 

[disciple Clint]

Donald Trump audio tape is "game, set and match" for prosecution: Attorney

Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Harry Litman has reacted to reports the former president discussed possessing a classified document in July 2021.

www.newsweek.com

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The audio recording from July 2021 reportedly reveals Trump saying he could not show it to others at a meeting in Bedminster, New Jersey, because they did not have clearance to view the classified document and Trump no longer had the authority to declassify it.​

Funny some people believe that everything that Trump says is a lie unless of course it confirms their bias. He could have had anything in his hand, how would anyone know what it was or if it was classified.

 

[Say it aint so]

Funny some people believe that everything that Trump says is a lie unless of course it confirms their bias. He could have had anything in his hand, how would anyone know what it was or if it was classified.

Oh I do agree he could be lying, it's as you note Trump. Can't wait to see him on the witness stand to put the run amuck DOJ in their place and explains that scenario.

 

[Say it aint so]

OK since we have not seen anything except what we see on TV what would we expect.

That they would make that claim of the Vulcan mind meld declassification by Trump when the Special Master put them on the spot.

 

[Pommer]

Oh I do agree he could be lying, it's as you note Trump. Can't wait to see him on the witness stand to put the run amuck DOJ in their place and explains that scenario.

That’ll be an interesting four days.

 

[stevil]

He had the ability to declassify anything.

Here is the thing about his claim that he can declassify a document just by thinking about it.
If this were true, then no one would ever know the classification of a document, sure, it comes in a folder with the classification written on it. Maybe the document itself has the classification written on it. But maybe, just maybe a president thought about declassifying it.
It then makes a mockery of the classification system, a mockery of those tasked with taking care of classified documents and national secrets.
If the president happens to walk past a desk with classified documents on it, you could then turn to any people in the room and ask them if the documents are still classified or if they have been de-classified. They wouldn't be able to tell you, they wouldn't be able to know, unless of course they know how to read the president's mind.

But declassification isn't the only problem Trump is faced with. The documents belong to the government, whether they are classified or not. Civilian Trump has no right to them, he MUST hand them over. He is defying a court order by not handing them over.

We've got about a year and a half to find out. They better hurry if they want to go after him for this before the election. Or will this just on the face of it harm his election chances.

I very much doubt it will harm his election chances
1. He doesn't have a hope in hell of winning a presidential election
2. His MAGA supporters will vote for him no matter what. They don't care if he commits crimes.

 

[ozso]

AI voice cloning comes to mind.