Limited atonement !

[Rescued One]

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Jesus' death on the cross took away the sin of the world so any person who wants God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation can have it. They just have to do or meet, the one condition God requires to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Which is to believe in Jesus, believing Jesus is who He says He is The Son of God/ The Messiah, the resurrection and the life.

Sinners don't believe that. All have sinned. If you believe, your faith was a gift of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

You haven't yet come to truly understand it. But rather than trading jibes back-and-forth perhaps you could view something of my understanding here, in post #465:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-reason-why-folks-believe-they-can-lose-their-salvation.7784830/page-24

You understand it enough to reject it.

 

[Rescued One]

Why and how would a sinner want to be adopted by God or Christ? Who created us? Are we all the same or are some of us children of wrath?

 

[fhansen]

You understand it enough to reject it.

I understand and reject much of the nonsense, traditions of men, that have trickled down from the Reformation and influenced many.

 

[d taylor]

Sinners don't believe that. All have sinned. If you believe, your faith was a gift of God.

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My faith, the ability to believe in something was given to me by God at my birth into the world. When i became a living person, just like everyone else. The only exception may be if someone has some kind of birth defect that prevents them from believing.

 

[fhansen]

Sinners don't believe that. All have sinned. If you believe, your faith was a gift of God.

Yes, grace is essential and faith is a gift of grace. And like all gifts, It can be rejected.

 

[Brightfame52]

I understand and reject much of the nonsense, traditions of men, that have trickled down from the Reformation and influenced many.

Scripture says that the Gospel to some is nonsense or foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[fhansen]

Scripture says that the Gospel to some is nonsense or foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Exactly

 

[Rescued One]

I understand and reject much of the nonsense, traditions of men, that have trickled down from the Reformation and influenced many.

I base my beliefs totally on the Bible, not the Reformation.

 

[fhansen]

I base my beliefs totally on the Bible, not the Reformation.

Yes, that's pretty much what the Reformers did as well, and soon often began to disagree with each other on their beliefs, as Luther feared might happen.

 

[Rescued One]

Scripture says that the Gospel to some is nonsense or foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

EPHESIANS 2

1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

God converted me and will keep me.

 

[Rescued One]

Yes, that's pretty much what the Reformers did as well, and soon often began to disagree wit
each other on their beliefs, as Luther feared might happen.

I don't have a problem wirh history or denominations or cults or non-believers. I have no fears about any objections you may have. My faith is strong and permanent. It isn't my faith that causes people to disagree.

 

[Rescued One]

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My faith, the ability to believe in something was given to me by God at my birth into the world. When i became a living person, just like everyone else. The only exception may be if someone has some kind of birth defect that prevents them from believing.

Neither of my parents were Christians and my five siblings were/are unbelievers,

 

[Rescued One]

Yes, grace is essential and faith is a gift of grace. And like all gifts, It can be rejected.

You have no way of proving that God's remarkable gifts can be rejected.

 

[d taylor]

Neither of my parents were Christians and my five siblings were/are unbelievers,

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Then they used their ability to believe in something else. Belief is simply being convicted something is true.

 

[Rescued One]

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Then they used their ability to believe in something else. Belief is simply being convicted something is true.

Faith isn't merely belief. Faith is the gift of eternal life and it is given by God. Sinners can't believe or have faith. Preachers and missionaries can't give people faith. Baptism doesn't give people faith. Faith is 100% given by God to children of wrath. All have sinned but not all have faith. Not by anything we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us!

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[Rescued One]

Yes, that's pretty much what the Reformers did as well, and soon often began to disagree with each other on their beliefs, as Luther feared might happen.

So you object to Reformers and Lutherans and who else?

 

[Rescued One]

I understand and reject much of the nonsense, traditions of men, that have trickled down from the Reformation and influenced many.

May God help you to abandon false teachings!

 

[Aaron112]

May God help you to abandon false teachings!

May God help everyone reject and abandon false teachings !
(everyone who calls on Him at least has a chance; most never do)

 

[fhansen]

So you object to Reformers and Lutherans and who else?

Anyone else with a skewed gospel.