Kosher vs Halal meat

[Rachel Rachel]

I just had something show up on my Facebook page about Halal meat now being used in Subway, Costco, Walmart and I guess, most American/Canadian grocery stores.

At first I thought no big deal....it just means we're getting clean meat, then I read something I didn't know...that with Halal meat the Muslim slaughterers pronounce a prayer on each animal at the time of slaughter, or they must say "In the name of Allah" just before the animal was killed.

Wouldn't this be basically the same thing as eating meat sacrificed to an idol?

I think this is something very important for us all to watch out for, and at this point, I'm seriously considering becoming a vegetarian.

 

[Hoshiyya]

1. Wouldn't it be marked if it is halal ?

2. Tradition says Islam is not Avoda Zara, though Trinitarianism is.

3. Paul's position seems to be that if you know it has been sacrificed to an idol, then you cannot eat, but if you havent seen it or don't know for sure it has happened, then you shouldnt worry.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

1. Wouldn't it be marked if it is halal ?

2. Tradition says Islam is not Avoda Zara, though Trinitarianism is.

3. Paul's position seems to be that if you know it has been sacrificed to an idol, then you cannot eat, but if you havent seen it or don't know for sure it has happened, then you shouldnt worry.

Yes, it is marked when packaged in a store but how would you know if you were getting a sandwich from Subway?
And yes, that is Paul's position, but I try to stick with Yeshua's position, which says do not eat meat sacrificed to idols.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

2. Tradition says Islam is not Avoda Zara, though Trinitarianism is.

I had to look up the definition of Avoda Zara.
So according to Judaism, worship of Allah is not worship of another god? This would be according to the Talmud, right? Just checking to be sure.

 

[Hoshiyya]

I had to look up the definition of Avoda Zara.
So according to Judaism, worship of Allah is not worship of another god? This would be according to the Talmud, right? Just checking to be sure.

Avoda Zara is the name of a famous tractate in Talmud, seder Neziqin, coming right before the even more famous Pirkey Avot. In this tractate, "foreign worship" (avoda zara) is discussed.

Many Jews would say Allah is another version of the same G-d, rather than a different G-d. In Egypt they briefly had a form of monotheism called Atonism, where they worshipped one single god called Aton. This would be Avoda Zara, even though it is monotheistic. Hence there is a distinction between the completely pagan monotheism of Egypt, on the one hand, and the incorrect monotheism of Islam on the other hand.

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[Rachel Rachel]

Well as I understand, it seems to be more a matter of monotheism, than of it being the same "theos". But really, many Jews would say Allah is another version of the same G-d, rather than a different G-d. In Egypt they had a form of monotheism called Atonism, where they worshipped one single god called Aton. This would be Avoda Zara, even though it is monotheistic. Hence there is a distinction between the completely pagan monotheism of Egypt, on the one hand, and the incorrect monotheism of Islam on the other hand.

Avoda Zara is the name of a famous tractate in Talmud, seder Neziqin, coming right before the even more famous Pirkey Avot. In this tractate, "foreign worship" (avoda zara) is discussed.

Hmmmm........very interesting. I've often wondered.

 

[Hoshiyya]

It is an interesting question.
Supposedly Jews have the right to temporarily pretend to be Muslims, to save their life, but not pretend to be Trinitarian or Hindu.

 

[Meowzltov]

Eating Halal meat is not Avodah Zarah. At the same time, you are not eating kosher meat either.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Eating Halal meat is not Avodah Zarah. At the same time, you are not eating kosher meat either.

I agree.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Hmmmm........very interesting. I've often wondered.

In my opinion, I think it might be fair to say that Islam is:

a religion based on attributing false words to the true G-d (hence speaking falsely in the name of G-d)

 

[Rachel Rachel]

In my opinion, I think it might be fair to say that Islam is:

a religion based on attributing false words to the true G-d (hence speaking falsely in the name of G-d)

I'm not disagreeing with you. I've wrestled in my own heart about whether Allah is the same God as YHVH. But some people will tell you Allah is not YHVH.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Eating Halal meat is not Avodah Zarah. At the same time, you are not eating kosher meat either.

No, it isn't kosher but my main concern was the possibility of eating meat sacrificed to another god.
Evidently, that's not anything I need to worry about.

I wish a few others would weigh in on this.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings Saints ,


In 1 Corinthians 8 Saul cover this dilemma completely for them .

13 wherefore, if victuals cause my brother to stumble, I may eat no flesh -- to the age -- that my brother I may not cause to stumble.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Which kicks another dilemma skyward . Alzheimer's a horrible modern day affliction is caused by low cholesterol intake , animal fat . So , here we go , in the wilderness ;

7 Yeshua replied to him, “But it also says, ‘Do not put Adonai your God to the test.’”CJB

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God. NKJV

I believe in the power of Elohim YAHweh & when I have a choice I don't " tempt the Lord your Elohim " in anything judged as foolish .

Mark 16:
“As you go throughout the world, proclaim the Good News to all creation. 16 Whoever trusts and is immersed will be saved; whoever does not trust will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who do trust: in my name they will drive out demons, speak with new tongues, 18 not be injured if they handle snakes or drink poison, and heal the sick by laying hands on them.” CJB

I consider , in the red as extremely foolish , tempting & to the test .

Blessings , the servant ron .

 

[pat34lee]

Eating Halal meat is not Avodah Zarah. At the same time, you are not eating kosher meat either.

There are four groups of meat; unclean, clean, kosher and meat offered to idols. Food offered to idols may be clean but if you know its history, you are better off not eating it if there is any other choice.

We know idols are nothing, no matter their name, so they have no power. As for the islamic idol being Yahweh, I would sooner believe that the pope was God.

 

[visionary]

Simple, if you know, don't eat, and if you don't know, eat the biblical kosher asking God to bless it.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

There are four groups of meat; unclean, clean, kosher and meat offered to idols. Food offered to idols may be clean but if you know its history, you are better off not eating it if there is any other choice.

Yes, this was my point with the whole thread. If a meat is packaged with the indication that it's halal, should it be avoided?

We know idols are nothing, no matter their name, so they have no power. As for the islamic idol being Yahweh, I would sooner believe that the pope was God.

It's true that idols are nothing, but Yeshua's command in Revelation 2:20 and the decision of the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 was to not eat meat sacrificed to idols. And again - if the god of Islam is a different god, then we shouldn't eat halal meat.
I know that YHVH was the god of Ishmael was YHVH but have they gone off course along the way? I must admit, I don't know that much about Islam.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Simple, if you know, don't eat, and if you don't know, eat the biblical kosher asking God to bless it.

I'm trying to know by asking these questions.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

This is becoming more and more common, especially with canned/frozen vegetables and rice/pasta pre-packaged meals.

 

[BukiRob]

Yes, it is marked when packaged in a store but how would you know if you were getting a sandwich from Subway?
And yes, that is Paul's position, but I try to stick with Yeshua's position, which says do not eat meat sacrificed to idols.

Stick with what scripture says... it says if you DONT know dont worry about it

 

[BukiRob]

Greetings Saints ,


In 1 Corinthians 8 Saul cover this dilemma completely for them .

13 wherefore, if victuals cause my brother to stumble, I may eat no flesh -- to the age -- that my brother I may not cause to stumble.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Which kicks another dilemma skyward . Alzheimer's a horrible modern day affliction is caused by low cholesterol intake , animal fat . So , here we go , in the wilderness ;

7 Yeshua replied to him, “But it also says, ‘Do not put Adonai your God to the test.’”CJB

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God. NKJV

I believe in the power of Elohim YAHweh & when I have a choice I don't " tempt the Lord your Elohim " in anything judged as foolish .

Mark 16:
“As you go throughout the world, proclaim the Good News to all creation. 16 Whoever trusts and is immersed will be saved; whoever does not trust will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who do trust: in my name they will drive out demons, speak with new tongues, 18 not be injured if they handle snakes or drink poison, and heal the sick by laying hands on them.” CJB

I consider , in the red as extremely foolish , tempting & to the test .

Blessings , the servant ron .

Unless I grossly misunderstand the research, its not LOW Cholesterol that is the problem, its the exact opposite. High levels of LDL have a strong correlation to amyloid plaque build ups in the brain which are strongly linked to Ahzheimers.

Again, this all seems to point to the value of eating good nutritionally balaned diet and exercise for most people.

As I see it you have 2 basic choices. #1 Do nothing and end up on multiple medications as you age and your body breaks down.

#2 Get on a fitness plan, stick with it and watch what you are eating.

At 56 I choose #2 P90X and watching my diet has multiple benefits that make the pain of doing it well worth more than the short term costs.....

What is easy in the beginning becomes difficult later on (no fitness, no diet = health problems)

What is difficult in the beginning becomes easier later on.... I will take this road.