Jesus said faith alone salvation. Luke 8:50

[JulieB67]

God repented more than anyone, over 30 times and he has no sin. so no, repent does not mean of your sins to be saved. you don't have to repent of sins, clean up your life, etc. that's works.

Of course he doesn't. That has nothing to with changing your mind about sin. A Christian that still "wants to sin" has not changed his mind/come to repentance. That's what you're putting your faith in and belief in -that upon repentance , Christ will cleanse us. We don't have a license to sin. Christ himself tells stated "sin no more" and you would state otherwise. You aren't taking his teachings to heart.
Again, a person that has come to repentance will not "want to sin". They are thinking differently. We will sin and fall short but that's not the same thing as a person that doesn't care about sinning or doing what's right.

I John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
I John 2:16 "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

If we don't change our minds about the way we live our lives and put the world above the Father, the love of the Father is not him.

You can't just punch your ticket to heaven and go back to living your same life. That's not a change of heart or mind. And Christ states that one that looks back is not fit for the kingdom of Heaven.

We are told that's why the Lord is so long suffering. Because he's wanting people to come to repentance.

 

[JulieB67]

On the forum, this sort of thing goes round and round countless times, without resolution and without good results

Yes, I can see that.

 

[Cockcrow]

Of course he doesn't. That has nothing to with changing your mind about sin. A Christian that still "wants to sin" has not changed his mind/come to repentance. That's what you're putting your faith in and belief in -that upon repentance , Christ will cleanse us. We don't have a license to sin. Christ himself tells stated "sin no more" and you would state otherwise. You aren't taking his teachings to heart.
Again, a person that has come to repentance will not "want to sin". They are thinking differently. We will sin and fall short but that's not the same thing as a person that doesn't care about sinning or doing what's right.

I John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
I John 2:16 "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

If we don't change our minds about the way we live our lives and put the world above the Father, the love of the Father is not him.

You can't just punch your ticket to heaven and go back to living your same life. That's not a change of heart or mind. And Christ states that one that looks back is not fit for the kingdom of Heaven.

We are told that's why the Lord is so long suffering. Because he's wanting people to come to repentance.

Jonah 3:10 “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”

God calls turning from your evil way works, and salvation is not by works. So no, you don't repent of your sins to be saved. that's the same as saying "do works to be saved" No salvation is by grace through faith not works. it's whosoever believeth, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

 

[JulieB67]

So no, you don't repent of your sins to be saved.

"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way'

Obviously you're not understanding what true repentance is (hint changing your mind about something will naturally produce works , you're not purposely "doing them to be saved") And I'll just say before I move on that in the end, God is the ultimate heart knower....

 

[Guojing]

Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

You are using Pauline scriptures to re-interpret what Jesus was saying to Israel in his first coming.

 

[sparow]

God repented more than anyone, over 30 times and he has no sin. so no, repent does not mean of your sins to be saved. you don't have to repent of sins, clean up your life, etc. that's works.

In scripture I believe repent means to change ones mind, heart; usually in relation to sin. God has repented regarding punishing Israel; on the occasion that I recall, God repented at the request of a Prophet, only to double the penalty a few verses latter.

 

[ozso]

You are mistaking entering into salvation with salvation at the end:

Mat 24:13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

In the end, we will all be judged:

Rom 14:10 ...For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Jesus spoke directly to those who will be condemned:

Mat 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 25:42 ‘for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

Mat 25:43‘I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Mat 25:44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

Mat 25:45 “Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

Mat 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice that there is nothing about faith alone. But Jesus did speak of that also:

Luk 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?

It's also noticeable that there's nothing in Matthew 25:31-46 about belief, faith, overall obedience, or repentance. Only charity. And basically says a single act of charity is what makes one a sheep.

And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ Mat. 25:40

One of the least of these.

 

[Danthemailman]

There are multiple passages of scripture which make it clear that man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8.9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone.

If "additional requirements" (further acts of obedience/works) were also necessary for salvation after one believes/places faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, then God would not make so many statements in which He promises eternal life to those who simply BELIEVE/PLACE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION.

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[JulieB67]

; yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24).

yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone

This was my point. Genuine faith (Father will know) is evidenced by works. We are saved by faith alone but if that faith doesn't naturally produce any works at all then I believe that faith is not genuine.

 

[fhansen]

Luke 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole." Believe only, both synonyms for faith alone. Jesus said faith alone. and taught the same thing as Paul did, and all the other prophets. Acts 10:43 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Jesus didn't say do good works to be saved, live a good life, repent of sins, do a 12 step program, clean up your life, stop all sin, no he simply said He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. If you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you hath everlasting life present tense and can't lose it. Everlasting means it lasts forever, you don't lose it based on doing works or sinning, Jesus said it is everlasting life.

There are no multiple gospels, no it is one gospel. Salvation by grace through faith alone.

People falsely say "Jesus didn't teach faith alone for salvation, only Paul did" that's false, Jesus said believe only.

Mark 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.

This is novel silliness. Faith is to enter fellowship with God, to acknowledge God as our God. That union, itself, is a matter of justice/righteousness as it reverses the alienation from God that Adam initiated for mankind, a separation which, itself, is the essence of the injustice that fallen man exists in.

From that union that we were created for, true righteousness flows; God puts His law in our minds and writes it on our hearts. He justifies us IOW, not because of anything we did, but despite anything we did, besides finally believing in Him, rather than in ourselves.

And from there, now forgiven, cleansed, and enabled, we can and must continue to walk as His children should, doing His will the best we can with what we've been given, with eternal life at stake. We can be rocky soil; we can lose and dismiss the love we once had, failing to value and nurture that relationship; we can return to the flesh instead of remaining in Him.

When we see Jesus, we see God. When we believe in, hope in, and, most importantly, love Jesus, we believe, in, hope in, and love God. That's why He came, to reconcile us. Justice can now reign in us, removing condemnation for sin.

"Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God." 1 Pet 1:21

Faith is the beginning, the foundation of salvation, not the end of it.

 

[Dan Perez]

This is novel silliness. Faith is to enter fellowship with God, to acknowledge God as our God. That union, itself, is a matter of justice/righteousness as it reverses the alienation from God that Adam initiated for mankind, a separation which, itself, is the essence of the injustice that fallen man exists in.

From that union that we were created for, true righteousness flows; God puts His law in our minds and writes it on our hearts. He justifies us IOW, not because of anything we did, but despite anything we did, besides finally believing in Him, rather than in ourselves.

And from there, now forgiven, cleansed, and enabled, we can and must continue to walk as His children should, doing His will the best we can with what we've been given, with eternal life at stake. We can be rocky soil; we can lose and dismiss the love we once had, failing to value and nurture that relationship; we can return to the flesh instead of remaining in Him.

When we see Jesus, we see God. When we believe in, hope in, and, most importantly, love Jesus, we believe, in, hope in, and love God. That's why He came, to reconcile us. Justice can now reign in us, removing condemnation for sin.

"Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God." 1 Pet 1:21

Faith is the beginning, the foundation of salvation, not the end of it.

Just google to see if FAITH and BELIEVE are synonyms ,they are !!

dan p

 

[fhansen]

Just google to see if FAITH and BELIEVE are synonyms ,they are !!

dan p

Ok. Yes, Google, the place with answers to all questions theological. Either way Christian faith and belief have nothing to do with what's sometimes referred to as "fiduciary faith", faith in our faith, dependence on nothing more than the sheer, rote, act of faith as if that's all that's required to satisfy God.

Again, faith is the means or vehicle or doorway to that satisfaction as it first of all places us in right stead and union with Him. From there the rest follows to the extent that we remain in Him which always implies cooperating with His work in us.

 

[Jan001]

In Matthew 25, Jesus tells us plainly how He will judge us after He returns for His second coming:

31 When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those (sheep) at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those (goats) at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Jesus will not ask us if we trusted in Him to save us. Jesus will not ask us if we believed in Him. Jesus will not ask us if we loved Him.

Jesus will know by the works that we have done during our lifetime if we are truly His followers or if we are instead followers of Satan.

Jesus also states in John 5:26-29:

26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, 27 and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.


First Jesus saves us through our faith as His gift of grace to us. However, if we desire to be approved to inherit eternal life after we die, we are required to do the good works that His Father had prepared, even before our creation, for each of us to do. We were actually created to do good works just as Jesus became flesh and came to earth to do the good work of making salvation possible for every person.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:10 is not a suggestion. It is a command.

Matthew 7:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

What is the will of Jesus' Father who is in heaven?

It is God the Father's will that we do the good works that He had prepared for us to do. If we do not do these good works, we will not be approved worthy to inherit/enter eternal with Him in heaven.

 

[Guojing]

First Jesus saves us through our faith as His gift of grace to us. However, if we desire to be approved to inherit eternal life after we die, we are required to do the good works that His Father had prepared, even before our creation, for each of us to do. We were actually created to do good works just as Jesus became flesh and came to earth to do the good work of making salvation possible for every person.

It is God the Father's will that we do the good works that He had prepared for us to do. If we do not do these good works, we will not be approved worthy to inherit/enter eternal with Him in heaven.

So salvation is "initially" a free gift but it will cost us later to keep it?

Have you given any gifts to anyone before, say your kids, and impose the same conditions? Will they still consider it as a gift? Would you?

 

[fhansen]

So salvation is "initially" a free gift but it will cost us later to keep it?

Have you given any gifts to anyone before, say your kids, and impose the same conditions? Will they still consider it as a gift? Would you?

We throw the gift away to the extent that we fail to accept it to begin with, or reject it later by failing to appreciate it-by not remaining in Him, by returning to the flesh, by not walking in the Spirit and overcoming sin.

 

[Guojing]

We throw the gift away to the extent that we fail to accept it to begin with, or reject it later by failing to appreciate it-by not remaining in Him, by returning to the flesh, by not walking in the Spirit and overcoming sin.

Next time you ever give someone a gift, tell them that is how you define gift, and see how they respond.

 

[fhansen]

Next time you ever give someone a gift, tell them that is how you define gift, and see how they respond.

Aa gift is a gift. People are free to do with it whatever they want. A fellow gave us the most gaudy clock I've ever seen for Christmas last year and while I appreciate the sentiment we haven't been able to find a place we want to put it. One of my daughters and myself keep hiding it in each other's cars-trying to get rid of it. At least we got some enjoyment out of it that way.

 

[Jan001]

So salvation is "initially" a free gift but it will cost us later to keep it?

Have you given any gifts to anyone before, say your kids, and impose the same conditions? Will they still consider it as a gift? Would you?

Because of Adam's sin, no one could ever have the possibility to enter into heaven/eternal life with God our Creator. Romans 5:10-12

Jesus, the Son of God, came to earth and redeemed us from Adam's sin in order to make it possible for Adam (and Eve) and Adam's descendants to enter into heaven. Because of Jesus' death on the cross, we now can have hope of entering into eternal life. So, which do you prefer, (a) no possibility (no hope) of entering into eternal life or (b) a possibility (hope) of entering into eternal life? As for me, I choose (b).

God created us and He makes the rules concerning all His creation. We can either obey these rules or disobey them. If He desires to have conditions put upon us for approving us for eternal life with Him, He can do that. And He did do exactly that.

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But, since we belong to the day, let us be sober, and put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation.


Jesus plainly tells us how He will judge us. Matthew 25:31-46 He judges us on how we used His gift of salvation to us. He gave us the hope of eternal life with Him. What an awesome gift! He died a horrible, excruciating sacrificial death on the cross in order to make it possible for us to enter into eternal life with Him. He did this good work for us and now we must do good works for Him. That is how we thank Him for redeeming us. We must imitate Him in doing good works or else we are simply hearers of His Word and not doers of His word. We deceive ourselves if we believe that good works don't matter regarding our approval or disapproval for eternal life.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

1 Timothy 5:8 If any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Titus 2:11-15 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds. 15 Declare these things; exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

 

[biblelesson]

Luke 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole." Believe only, both synonyms for faith alone. Jesus said faith alone. and taught the same thing as Paul did, and all the other prophets. Acts 10:43 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Jesus didn't say do good works to be saved, live a good life, repent of sins, do a 12 step program, clean up your life, stop all sin, no he simply said He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. If you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you hath everlasting life present tense and can't lose it. Everlasting means it lasts forever, you don't lose it based on doing works or sinning, Jesus said it is everlasting life.

There are no multiple gospels, no it is one gospel. Salvation by grace through faith alone.

People falsely say "Jesus didn't teach faith alone for salvation, only Paul did" that's false, Jesus said believe only.

Mark 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.

The old covenant was in force at the time. You are listing old testament scriptures trying to use them as a bases to deny baptism. You don’t understand the Bible!

The belief that led to salvation that Jesus spoke of was while Jesus was still alive and while the law of Moses was in force; the old covenant under the Old Testament.

To deny baptism as Christ told his disciples to teach along with proclaiming repentance baptizing in his name and followed by the apostles, after His death and resurrection, makes you a denier of the Son of God, a denier of the Father, a denier of Jesus death and resurrection on the cross, a denier of the Holy Spirit, a denier of the gospel of Christ, a denier of the ripping of the vail in the temple which permits us access to the throne of grace, and a denier of the new covenant bringing in the New Testament.

Even John the Baptist baptized with water, yet he was a forerunner of Christ. Christ baptism is with the Holy Ghost and fire, Matthew 3:11 KJV

To teach such nonsense to people, and cause people to loose their salvation is to condemn yourself.

Why do you think we don’t have to be obedient to Jesus and His command to be baptized?

We receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands when we come out of the water, according to the account of the apostles.

 

[biblelesson]

God repented more than anyone, over 30 times and he has no sin. so no, repent does not mean of your sins to be saved. you don't have to repent of sins, clean up your life, etc. that's works.

How can you possibly compare yourself to God.? I know we get confused sometimes from possibly bad teaching or just sheer pride, but we must be careful what we say. The angels are writing down everything you say.

Now, God’s repentance as shown in His word is a change of mind to not destroy a person or nation for sinning.

What’s your/our repentance? We confess our sins, repent of our sins because we are sinners. We accept Jesus Christ and God sanctifies us and conform us to Christ, and transform our minds all by the Holy Spirit.