Islam and Christianity are the exact opposite

[Mountainmanbob]

 

[JohnB445]

Yes.

The unpardonable sin in Christianity is rejecting Jesus as Lord and Savior.

The unpardonable sin in Islam is believing Jesus as God. So if you already done that there is no point being Muslim. Along with the fact that Muhammad thought he was getting revelations from Satan and couldn't tell what the voice was in his head along with him contradicting history and both the Torah and Bible.

 

[Desk trauma]

And?

 

[friend of]

Totally. Especially in Islam's eschatology.

 

[Strathos]

Not watching that due to lack of time, but Islam is actually best described as a heresy from Christianity.

 

[timewerx]

However, Islam have many similarities to the theology of the Old Testament.

If Ishmael indeed was one of the founding fathers of Islam, then there is no doubt, the God of Old Testament and the God of the Muslims are one and the same.

 

[Phronema]

Not watching that due to lack of time, but Islam is actually best described as a heresy from Christianity.

Exactly correct from what I've read. St. John of Damascus stated that Muhammed had met with an Arian monk named Bahira, and from there devised his own heresy.

 

[Call me Nic]

Not watching that due to lack of time, but Islam is actually best described as a heresy from Christianity.

Islam is actually more severe than heresy; it's apostasy. They don't even claim the name of Christ as their Messiah; at least many heretics claim the name of Christ.

 

[Phronema]

Islam is actually more severe than heresy; it's apostasy. They don't even claim the name of Christ as their Messiah; at least many heretics claim the name of Christ.

Agreed. I believe it started as a heresy. That said, I disagree when others state we have the same God. I'm not referring to the fact that most Muslims call their God "Allah", because Christians use the same word when referring to the Father. Since they don't recognize Christ as their savior they can't possibly have the same God as Christians because Christ is His Son.

 

[JohnB445]

The God in the Quran location is above the throne according to Islam. This can be confirmed.

Who tried to be above the throne? Lucifer. Many Muslims actually leave Islam because it is said that Allah in the Quran is above the throne in heaven.

Just see for yourself where Allah is located according to Muslims. And Allah does not have the same standard as the God in the Bible. How can these possibly be the same?

 

[Call me Nic]

Agreed. I believe it started as a heresy. That said, I disagree when others state we have the same God. I'm not referring to the fact that most Muslims call their God "Allah", because Christians use the same word when referring to the Father. Since they don't recognize Christ as their savior they can't possibly have the same God as Christians because Christ is His Son.

I have an old fellow in my church who just made that exact point yesterday in Sunday School and it was awesome.

"John 14:6 says 'I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.' Now if you believe that verse, then that answers a lot of questions about the Muslim religion," he said.

 

[Hank77]

Islam is actually more severe than heresy; it's apostasy. They don't even claim the name of Christ as their Messiah; at least many heretics claim the name of Christ.

Same as Judaism except that in Islam Jesus was a prophet sent by the God of Abraham. In Judaism Jesus was a heretic.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Perhaps no weapon of satan has been more effective than Islam.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Personally I see both Muhammad and Jesus gave a Message from the One God. I see they both taught Peace, Love and Justice. That Muhammad gave a Law so one could defend their Faith, was just, given the persecution they faced.

In the end both Islam and Christianity made war in the Name of God. What we now need to sort out is what was Lawful and what was not. As Muhammad said there is no compulsion in Religion, it would be hard to find a Just Muslim War, but then Christianity has a lot to answer for as well.

Peace be to one and all, regards Tony

 

[Holoman]

Personally I see both Muhammad and Jesus gave a Message from the One God. I see they both taught Peace, Love and Justice. That Muhammad gave a Law so one could defend their Faith, was just, given the persecution they faced.

In the end both Islam and Christianity made war in the Name of God. What we now need to sort out is what was Lawful and what was not. As Muhammad said there is no compulsion in Religion, it would be hard to find a Just Muslim War, but then Christianity has a lot to answer for as well.

Peace be to one and all, regards Tony

I'm not sure you can say Islam is a religion of peace when its founding prophet, Muhammed, was a warlord that conquered a lot of the middle east and forced people to convert by the sword.

Jesus is the complete opposite. Even his harshest critics could never accuse him of being a warmongerer.

 

[Strathos]

I'm not sure you can say Islam is a religion of peace when its founding prophet, Muhammed, was a warlord that conquered a lot of the middle east and forced people to convert by the sword.

Jesus is the complete opposite. Even his harshest critics could never accuse him of being a warmongerer.

People read what they want into their religion. A violent person will come up with excuses for violence whether they are a Christian, Muslim, atheist, Buddhist, etc. Same with a peaceful person.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Can people please stop with OP's consisting of nothing but a link to a video or document?

At least write a paragraph of two using your own words to highlight the main points being made.


So I can only respond to the thread title. Purely objectively going by the texts themselves (and not how people interpret it in the many ways that they do), I'ld have to say that it has a lot more in common with christianity then they are different.

EDIT: @Strathos sorry, I edited my post to add the last paragraph. I'm notifying you because it wouldn't surprise me that you wish to retract your "agree" rating based on the point I made there. So, just a friendly heads up.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The God in the Quran location is above the throne according to Islam. This can be confirmed.

Who tried to be above the throne? Lucifer. Many Muslims actually leave Islam because it is said that Allah in the Quran is above the throne in heaven.

Just see for yourself where Allah is located according to Muslims. And Allah does not have the same standard as the God in the Bible. How can these possibly be the same?

The christian and the islamic god both factually derive from the god of judaism.
They are all called "abrahamic religion" for a reason. That reason being that they all flow from the same tradition. They are different branches of what is essentially the same tree.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Prophecies Regarding Ishmael
Within this general context, a number of remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. Some consideration of these matters should be of interest to Bible students in these days of political conflict.
It was foretold that lshmael would be:
“a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell over against all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).
Later, it was said of Ishmael that God would “multiply him exceedingly,” and that he would be the father of “twelve princes” and a “great nation would proceed from him” (17:20).
Prophecies Fulfilled
These prophecies have been stunningly fulfilled. Note the following historical facts.
Ishmael grew up, married an Egyptian woman, and begat twelve sons who became princes over their respective tribes (Genesis 25:12ff) — exactly as prophesied (17:20).
These people inhabited the territory between Havilah (probably in NW Arabia) and Shur (near the Egyptian border), and were one of the several peoples who were the ancestors of the Arabians (cf Genesis 10:7, 25-30; 25:1-4, 13-16).
Today, Arab-dominated territories are much more extensive even than in Bible times.

 

[JohnB445]

There is no prophecy about a prophet. Islam twists the Bible and Torah to fit their flawed theology.

72 virgins in heaven? Come on. This is ridiculous