Isaiah 53:4 and Matthew 8:17

[JimB]

Jesus healed all who came to him in faith and he healed them on that day............he turned no-one away.

Jesus said "Don't be afraid; just believe." Mark 5:36

"Don't be afraid; just believe."

Mark 9:23 "Everything is possible for him who believes."

"Everything is possible for him who believes."


Mark 10 51"What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him.
The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see."
52"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

"your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

1 peter 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

for your sake

Okay. But the question is, does it work this way for you? Does everyone you pray for get healed or do you just not come to Him “in faith”? If you think you come to Him in faith but you don’t, how do you know you have come to him in unbelief? You asked Him to heal and actually thought He would? But it doesn’t always happen. What happened? How could someone possibly know, when they pray expecting a healing that doesn’t happen, that they have not prayed in faith? How do you repair your unbelief so that the next time you come to him it will be “in faith”?

So far, you are only offering platitudes and isolated proof texts; not answers (aka, truth).

I have an answer: There’s more to healing than simply coming to Jesus in faith. Healing doesn’t depend on you; it depends on Him. Howz 'at?

Sincerely,
~Anna Mull

 

[PastorMike]

If you are to pray in faith you need a revelation of the word aka your healing (that it already belongs to you)...

God gave me a revelation of Matt 8:17 almost 12 years ago and everytime I get sick symptoms or whatever (and there have been a lot of times) I just pray in faith and quote Matt 8:17 and I get healed every single time...

Sometimes people look for all the healing scripture to stand on but it is better if you stand on the word God gave you (revealed to You)

I say Father you told me that Jesus healed all the sick to fulfill what was said by Isaiah the prophet saying himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses...

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I say Father you told me that Jesus healed all the sick to fulfill what was said by Isaiah the prophet saying himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses...

Amen to fulfil scripture. Not to prove who He was. Dun think Jesus was into giving signs and wonders to prove Himself.

Matthew 8:17
17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet...

 

[lismore]

I have an answer: There’s more to healing than simply coming to Jesus in faith. Healing doesn’t depend on you; it depends on Him. Howz 'at?

Actually healing very often depends on both Jesus and a person, a partnership.

'If you have faith' Jesus says again and again. It depends on the person coming in faith to believe and receive. Not seeking healing but seeking the healer. It all depends on the healer too, we cannot be healed without Jesus.

You cannot be healed without Jesus, but Jesus needs your participation. Jesus could heal no-one in nazareth because of their lack of faith. He needs co-operation, something to work with.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Um, I think it’s the resurrection from the dead that is the ultimate healing.

Sincerely,
~Anna Mull

I disagree. You are worshipping death instead of life. How can that be right?

 

[lismore]

One persons circumstance of thinking they had faith and not getting healed does not undermine the bible anymore than the moonies or muslims thinking they have a way to God undermines John 14:6.

Okay. But the question is, does it work this way for you? Does everyone you pray for get healed or do you just not come to Him “in faith”?

I think we are talking at cross purposes, from a different perspective. I have known people who got healed during a praise and worship service, during a fellowship time, walking their dog. Its when the penny drops. We can have faith in faith, faith in healing, faith in man, but when we know who the healer is and when we step out in faith towards him that we are healed. Jesus is not partial (Romans 2:11) and he has not changed. He cannot heal one and not another. If one steps out in faith to Jesus as healer and is healed, another will be too by believing he is Jesus Christ and stepping out in faith. Its not a lottery, its not a maybe and its not a mystery.

So far, you are only offering platitudes and isolated proof texts; not answers (aka, truth).

Isolated 'proof texts'? You mean there is a promise God didnt mean?

Here is an isolated proof text: Jesus.

The will of God in action, he that is the same yesterday, today and forever. He that turned no-one away who came in faith for healing, he didnt say 'no', he didnt say 'wait'.

There is no scripture that he turned someone away. there is no scripture that he changed.

When the woman with the issue of blood reached out and grabbed Jesus in faith by the revelation of who he was she was healed. Jesus said 'who touched me' . The disciples said do you not see all these people pressing against you? But Jesus insisted. The power only left him for her. That was because she was the only one to reach out in faith. two thousand people jostled against him, but the power only went to that one woman. She was like a homing pigeon going for Jesus.

tell you friend to do this and he/she will be healed.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I think we are talking at cross purposes, from a different perspective. I have known people who got healed during a praise and worship service, during a fellowship time, walking their dog. Its when the penny drops. We can have faith in faith, faith in healing, faith in man, but when we know who the healer is and when we step out in faith towards him that we are healed. Jesus is not partial (Romans 2:11) and he has not changed. He cannot heal one and not another. If one steps out in faith to Jesus as healer and is healed, another will be too by believing he is Jesus Christ and stepping out in faith. Its not a lottery, its not a maybe and its not a mystery.

Well said.

 

[JimB]

I disagree. You are worshipping death instead of life. How can that be right?

And I suppose I could say that you worship physical healing.

But neither false charge would be true.

Sincerely,
~Adam Meway

 

[JimB]

Actually healing very often depends on both Jesus and a person, a partnership.

'If you have faith' Jesus says again and again. It depends on the person coming in faith to believe and receive. Not seeking healing but seeking the healer. It all depends on the healer too, we cannot be healed without Jesus.

You cannot be healed without Jesus, but Jesus needs your participation. Jesus could heal no-one in nazareth because of their lack of faith. He needs co-operation, something to work with.

Lismore, Jesus needs nothing, especially me and you, when it comes to anything, much less healing. That He uses us sometimes to accomplish His purpose should humble us, not entitle us to any credit of any kind. Sometimes faith is evidence when Jesus healed people in the Gospels, but on many occasion it was not. I mean, how much faith could the Gadarene demoniac have? – but Jesus healed his soul and mind. How much faith could a deceased Lazarus have? How much faith could the demon tormented deaf mute have?

For some reason, we seem to have this unhealthy desire to take some credit for the things God does. I am healed because I have faith in God. I am wealthy because I understand God’s prosperity principles. God does not NEED us – He simply chooses to use us.

It is just as much a sin to glory in your faith as to glory in anything else. That no flesh should glory in His presence . . . that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.” 1 Cor. 1.29,31

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 2 Cor. 3.5

For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Rom. 11.36

To God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Rom. 16.37

If you like, we can list all the healings of Christ in the Gospels in which faith was not evidenced in the seeker, but I think you can think of many of them yourself … if you try.

Sincerely,
~Adam Meway

 

[Daniels]

He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their
destructions.​