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Oh, so you watched a match then?I once saw a Christian MMA fighter thank God for his victory in the octagon. I considered it one of the least Christian things I had ever seen, not to mention the confused, mixed-up message that it sends. "I punched a guy and kicked him and tried to hurt him enough to make him submit to defeat for entertainment and personal glory- now I'll thank Jesus for that". Beating up someone for Jesus. Seriously? How idiotic and carnal- and unChristian. Stunning hypocrisy, actually.
I have read the Bible, numerous times, but you're the one posting here so you're just making excuses if you won't say what you mean.I don't want you to read my mind- I want you to read your BIBLE. Prayer, word, sacrament, good deeds- these are the pursuit of righteousness.
Saying Jesus never gave a commandment to physically train does not equate to it being sinful. Most forms of entertainment people participate in are never addressed by Jesus, that doesn't mean they are sinful. Jesus never tells his disciples to go scuba diving. Are scuba divers sinners?If God commands us to go to war (as He once did), then of course it is the legitimate use for violent force. Likewise if He sees fit to destroy Pharaoh's army- that's His work (not ours).
But Jesus nowhere gives His apostles or disciples the commandment to use weapons, make war, use violence for entertainment or even physical training. Not once. OTOH, he asks us to be gentile as lambs, and to turn the other cheek. He wants us to be *different* from the world and its standards. I know that sounds hard for people who love to feast their eyes on violence and fighting for entertainment, but you have to stand apart from the world, not blend in and try to give worldliness a Christian spin or flavor.
Most of life involves someone winning and someone losing. Two football teams play and one wins. Many candidates interview for a job, one is hire. You date multiple people but you only marry one. Several companies bid on a contract and only one is chosen. Many pets at a shelter need a home but you only adopt one. You inventing someone else's motives is just revealing of your own insecurities. You don't have the ability to perform well at a sport and so you automatically accuse others who do of doing so for "personal glory".I once saw a Christian MMA fighter thank God for his victory in the octagon. I considered it one of the least Christian things I had ever seen, not to mention the confused, mixed-up message that it sends. "I punched a guy and kicked him and tried to hurt him enough to make him submit to defeat for entertainment and personal glory- now I'll thank Jesus for that". Beating up someone for Jesus. Seriously? How idiotic and carnal- and unChristian. Stunning hypocrisy, actually.
There's lots of things Jesus never did. Jesus never posted on internet forums yet I see you right here. If "Jesus never did it so it's wrong" is your argument then you aren't even being consistent with your own arguments. Why should anyone take you seriously?If Christianity is too peaceful or pacifist for you- then try Islam. You get to kill, fight, oppress, you don't have to change your heart, you can keep your worldliness, idolize strength, submission and personal glory, and you still get to pretend you're serving God. You can be carnal and violent and fit right in.
Jesus didn't beat up on people for personal glory, money or victory, nor did His Apostles. I say yes to what Jesus says yes to, and no to what He says no to. That's the beginning of the pursuit of righteousness.
Oh, so you watched a match then?
Pouting does magically make you right. Put forth an argument with evidence. Calling people names and saying they have low IQ without any proof and declaring we're wrong and you don't need to present and evidence because it's "obvious" is what children do.
Man I love the sport too but in my heart of hearts I know it's not good to watch and not something God would want me to view.I Love MMA.
Jacob Wrestled with God Yeshua Messiah (Genesis 32:24-30)
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For those who don't like MMA :
I've been watching MMA for quite some time and do really enjoy the sport.
That being said, as of late I've been wondering if watching such of a violent sport is wrong. For the most part I've cut out all violent movies in and TV shows in my life (but to be honest I didn't really watch that many to begin with.)
My thought process is these men (and women) are destroying their bodies for this sport their temples. And yes some of these fighters are Christian (Vitor Belfort, Yoel Romero, and Dennis Hallman to name a few.) Romero even had a famous post-fight speech where he talked about Jesus.
That being said, I wonder if we're all hypocrites for either participating in or viewing the sport. Any thoughts?
justify two guys beating the stuffings out of each other?
Jacob wrestled with God.
Are we to behave like the inhabitants of Sodom?
It's a Sporting Event and there is Nothing wrong with two athletes competing against each other.
God Wrestled with Jabob. That's the point. God "Wrestled".
God didn't punish Sodom for taking part in Athletic Competitions. It's weird that you are bringing up "Sodom" into the topic when it has Nothing to do with it.
Satan wants to trick people into becoming Effeminate Cowards that stay away from grappling and athletic competition.
God wants Us To Be Men. All the scriptures about being Gentle Etc. are meant in our interactions with one another in the Church and in life. It has nothing to do with sport or competition.
You can be a respectful loving and law abiding citizen and still take part in an Athletic Competition that involves violence.
It All Boils down to this... They are Willing Trained Participants taking part in a Sporting Competition.
No one is getting killed. No one is partaking Unwillingly. There Are Rules, Sporting Commissions, Referees Etc.
It Is Nothing NOTHING like innocent people being fed to lions or untrained people fighting with swords to the death.
Sleeping with a prostitute is nothing like UFC fighting, too.
It's a combat sport. If it were not a sport, it would not have rules. In an actual self-defense situation, some of the MMA drills are counterproductive. You don't ground-and-pound a mugger if he goes down. You take off and run. You do whatever you have to do to get to the point where you can run - soccer kicks, finger locks, biting, anything that would get you penalized in an MMA match. That is real fighting.And fighting is not a sport. It's fighting - whatever the fans and promoters want to assert.
That we know of. Whether or not he used his whip against people in the temple, there's no clear indicator either.He never punched anyone in the face; he never broke someone's nose; he never choked anyone into unconsciousness.
It's RIDICULOUS and Deceitful that you are comparing participating in Combat Sports to sleeping with a Prostitute. Seriously ?
Ok let me ask you this, do you think participating in any of these combat sports Individually is a sin ?
• Highschool Wrestling
• Boxing
• Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
• Submission Grappling
• Boxing
• Kick Boxing
• Karate
It's a combat sport. If it were not a sport, it would not have rules.
In an actual self-defense situation, some of the MMA drills are counterproductive. You don't ground-and-pound a mugger if he goes down. You take off and run. You do whatever you have to do to get to the point where you can run - soccer kicks, finger locks, biting, anything that would get you penalized in an MMA match. That is real fighting.
Chess doesn't have physicality, which makes it not a sport. MMA has physicality and rules, it is a sport.Rules don't make a thing a sport. Chess has rules. Is it, therefore, a sport? No.
No, I'm not implying that he did. But he was involved in at least one physical altercation in which he used a whip, overturned tables, and ran money changers out of the temple courts. We don't have all the details of that, unfortunately. They would be useful for this debate.Come on, now. This is just a bit silly. Are you implying that Jesus did these things?
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