While praying this morning I had a notion that I will not be presumptuous enough to say it was a word from the Lord but I would like to think it may have been. I was actually asking the Lord to tarry A little longer before his return because there is a certain individual I have a burden for that needs to be saved and also, I would like to work more for the Lord before that day comes and I haven't even come close to where I need to be in relation to Him. Then I thought about the verse that says " as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes. " I know many people take that to mean that nephilim will once again roam the earth but what if it simply means that evil will reach a saturation point to the same extent it did in the days of Noah. In other words, everyone that will or would be saved has been saved and wickedness has permeated the earth to the extent that evil is on men's minds continuously. I realize that everyone agrees wickedness will increase upon the earth in that day but I mean wickedness to the extent that no one is left to be saved. Everyone is too far gone except for those who are already in the fold. It seems to me that would be in accordance with God's mercy that he would wait until every last person who is receptive to the Gospel can be saved. If that state of affairs could have been reached in Noah's day, I don't see why it couldn't be reached again and if this is the case, we may well have a good ways to go before his return is actually imminent. I would love to have some feedback on this.
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Pre-Mil Only is Jesus coming sooner or maybe later?
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What makes sense?
God has been patient and longsuffering in human terms for 1992 years. Is that to give God time or humans time? How much more time should humans have? There has been more time now, than between Adam's disobedience and the flood. That was about 1700 years. Israel barely had 1400 years. Should God allow us 2,000 or more years? Today is about the 1992 year point. Is asking for more time fair, since us Gentiles have had way more time than past humanity? I am not saying it is not fair to ask. More on the lines of expectations from God.
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There are several things you are not factoring in here. God, meaning the Father in this case, already has a certain day picked out as to when He will send Jesus back to the earth. All of the praying in the world isn't going to change that. But let's assume it could. This friend you are concerned about could die before Jesus ever returns, for all you know. What then? How is Him delaying His return going to help in that case?
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This is quite surreal to me. I'm revisiting this site after a long time away and saw the post and replied to it. I just now realized the original poster was me also. I have no recollection of making the post. So weird.
I don't disagree with you. I can tell a younger more immature self made the post. That being said, I do believe you raise an interesting point saying there's no point in asking the Lord to delay His coming. You may be right that its inappropriate to pray for that, but I don't believe its foolish for the reason you state (because He's already made the plans so its too late for prayers to change them). Since God is outside of time knowing the ending from the beginning, we can pray for things that seem to violate our time continuum. God also know the day of everyone's death but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pray for someone's life to be spared in various situations. He hears the prayers of his people from eternity past (like the verse, "Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world").
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How has your view changed since you made the OP? For example, were you a pre-trib pre-millenial rapture both before in 2015 and again now in 2022? What happened with the person you wanted more time to work with?
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I believe that's what Paul meant by the "fullness of the Gentiles coming in". God knows that last one and I believe that is what we're waiting on even now. But I believe it is very close and don't see how the next generation will have a chance at all, short of a miracle.
Things have changed fast since 2015. Just reading the hateful comments on the internet, people wishing each other dead, etc... surely shows love has waxed cold. And in addition to Noah, there was also Lot, who scripture says was vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked. I find myself vexed quite a bit these days, especially with the pompous statements against God by the likes of Harari.
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I agree that evil seems to be spreading. I'm seeing more instances of Satanism, some true worship of Satan and some just ridiculing our faith, interest in new age lies and dark powers, including witches. Islam is growing much faster than any other belief and while there are some good Muslim people, there are people like the Taliban and ISIS that are horrible groups. The world is on the verge of WW3 with Putin losing in Ukraine yet killing civilians by the tens of thousands, and horrors coming to us daily on TV that we have not seen the likes of which in my lifetime (many look like scenes from WW2), and threatening nuclear war almost daily now. The US is politically divisive and growing worse to the point some thing a 2nd American civil war could occur, though I doubt it would come to war and most likely would splinter into different nations. Worldwide hunger and famine are growing despite the best efforts of the UN. China's communist government is becoming a global superpower intent on surpassing the US in nuclear weapons, ships, and overall military though technologically they have a long way off. Hate groups are on the rise in the US and nationalism is on the rise worldwide, further setting up conditions for WW3. In fact, things are getting so bleak if you pay attention to the news that you have to wonder how much longer things can continue before the Lord says ENOUGH and decides its time to end all this ever growing evil. Christian persecutions are also on the rise globally. Inflation is out of control and people can't afford to buy gas and food that live on minimum wages.
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