Is it a sin to take part in entertainment?

[redblue22]

Crucifixion was naked. Mel didn't go there.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Crucifixion was naked. Mel didn't go there.

Technically naked implies that you are vulnerable and unprotected, not necessarily nude.

 

[RaymondG]

So, would you watch an adult actor pretend to rape a little child actor? It's just fiction. No one is really raping a child; they're just pretending. And, surely, no one watching such a thing would be tempted to do likewise. Watching it happen in pretend, therefore, is okay? Really? I think not. I use this horrible and extreme example to make the point that an evil thing is an evil thing whether or not it is real or a fiction. The standard for watching what is evil isn't whether or not a person is tempted by it, but whether or not it honors God. Do undead vampires feeding on the blood of others honor God? Is it honoring to our holy God to entertain oneself with such unholy things? It seems to me very evident that it is not honoring - at all.

Ephesians 5:8-12
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.

Selah.

If the movies was all about rape....I would not be interested in watching it. If the movie was an interesting movie, and had a rape scene in it, I was still watch and not feel condemned for it. I actually feel that things like this are good tests for spiritual people.....It shows how much of my carnal mind is still present.

I am about to be endowed with power from on high. Now it will be dangerous and unwise to give power to someone whose emotion state and thinking can be swayed by what he sees on the outside. God may tell me to go heal a rapist.....but if I harbor negative feelings about the act that i read about or saw...I may tell God no...he doesnt deserve it, he deserves to die.....next thing you know im in the belly of a whale.

But you are right, this is not for everyone. But there are some people who are not moved emotionally or in thought by watching TV shows or anything resumed "negative." There are some people who have been called to stop eating "the fruit" And we need those people to remain as such.

 

[aiki]

If the movies was all about rape....I would not be interested in watching it. If the movie was an interesting movie, and had a rape scene in it, I was still watch and not feel condemned for it. I actually feel that things like this are good tests for spiritual people.....It shows how much of my carnal mind is still present.

Well, the reason I spoke about this matter in terms of whether or not it honors God is because this is the bottom line spelled out in Scripture. What I think I might be able to take in while remaining unaffected has nothing to do with whether or not I should. The Bible puts things on a God-centered footing:

1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

You might also consider the fact that no where does Scripture tell us we ought to seek out tests of the carnal state of our minds. Instead, we are told in Scripture to carefully guard our minds, filling them with what is right, and pure and true, (Phil. 4:8) not heinous and dark. In fact, Paul writes that a spiritual mind is occupied with things of the Spirit, not with the vile acts and fantasies of our sin-cursed world.

Romans 8:5-6
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

There is nothing spiritually-minded about vampires or the rape of children. Nothing. These are fleshly, worldly, carnal things that not only have nothing to do with God but represent the very opposite of the good, wholesome, holy things of God's Spirit. Such things, as Paul notes above, bring us to death, not the life and peace of God.

But you are right, this is not for everyone.

No, it is not for anyone. At least, not anyone seeking to honor God with their life.

But there are some people who are not moved emotionally or in thought by watching TV shows or anything resumed "negative."

I don't believe that. And the Bible suggests quite the opposite:

2 Peter 2:7-8
7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day with their lawless deeds),

The souls of the righteous are tormented by witnessing the wicked deeds of evil people. And if they are not, perhaps they are not as righteous as they think they are. It makes no difference if the wicked deeds they see are real or fiction. Evil is evil, for real or pretend.

Psalms 101:3-4
3 I will set nothing wicked before my eyes; I hate the work of those who fall away; It shall not cling to me.
4 A perverse heart shall depart from me; I will not know wickedness.

Selah.

 

[RaymondG]

Well, the reason I spoke about this matter in terms of whether or not it honors God is because this is the bottom line spelled out in Scripture. What I think I might be able to take in while remaining unaffected has nothing to do with whether or not I should. The Bible puts things on a God-centered footing:

God seeks those who worship in spirit and in truth. If ones method of serving God is limiting what their physical eyes see.....they have a long way to go. and I believe it is a mistake to view oneself as doing more "for God" than another by not watching the same tv shows.

You might also consider the fact that no where does Scripture tell us we ought to seek out tests of the carnal state of our minds. Instead, we are told in Scripture to carefully guard our minds, filling them with what is right, and pure and true, (Phil. 4:8) not heinous and dark. In fact, Paul writes that a spiritual mind is occupied with things of the Spirit, not with the vile acts and fantasies of our sin-cursed world.

You consider the fact that many people can pull many things out of the scripture and come up with many different doctrines. I try to talk out of experience and not interpretation. I did not say I watch these shows nor do i seek out tests. But the tests comes. I find these forums to be good tests as well. Some find it hard to not feel offended inside when another poster make negative or belittling comments. Can you give an example of being occupied with a thing of the spirit....I think this is the bases of our disagreement.

There is nothing spiritually-minded about vampires or the rape of children. Nothing. These are fleshly, worldly, carnal things that not only have nothing to do with God but represent the very opposite of the good, wholesome, holy things of God's Spirit. Such things, as Paul notes above, bring us to death, not the life and peace of God.

Yes there is nothing spiritually minded about watching tv period, whether a secular or religious show. The most carnal thing in this world is our mind. But it is much easier to carnalize everything outside of us. If I tame the beast that is my mind, the world I see changes. If mine eye be single, my whole body will be filled with light....but if that light be darkness.......

No, it is not for anyone. At least, not anyone seeking to honor God with their life.

Everyone must traverse the narrow path for themselves and work out there own soul salvation. I cant tell you to put on my Armour to fight Golith because you havent Proved it. everyone must go with the tools they are given. It would be wrong of me to tell others that they cant do something because I cant do it.

I don't believe that. And the Bible suggests quite the opposite:

I agree, you shouldn't believe it.

The souls of the righteous are tormented by witnessing the wicked deeds of evil people. And if they are not, perhaps they are not as righteous as they think they are. It makes no difference if the wicked deeds they see are real or fiction. Evil is evil, for real or pretend.

I find it totally fine for you to see wickedness outside of you and then try to run from it. If you ever find that the wickedness seems to follow you no matter where you are or were you go, I would encourage you to try looking for it in a different place.

 

[aiki]

God seeks those who worship in spirit and in truth. If ones method of serving God is limiting what their physical eyes see.....they have a long way to go. and I believe it is a mistake to view oneself as doing more "for God" than another by not watching the same tv shows.

Yes, God intends we should worship Him in spirit and in truth. He intends also that our lives should honor Him at every turn - even in what we choose to watch on t.v. or at the theater.

If a person serves God only by limiting the wickedness they see, yes, they do have a long way to go. But no one is suggesting this is what anybody should do. Guarding one's eyes from the evil deeds of the wicked is only a part of a life lived to glorify and honor God.

If one believer is not watching a lot of garbage on t.v. and another believer is, the one not watching garbage is, at least in this regard, doing more to honor and obey God than the one who is watching garbage. It is no mistake to recognize this; it is the plain fact of the matter.

You consider the fact that many people can pull many things out of the scripture and come up with many different doctrines.

So? Not every doctrine a person may erect from Scripture is reasonable, or handles Scripture well, or employs proper biblical hermeneutics of interpretation. So, sure, there are plenty of varying doctrines people come up with, but they are by no means all equal. Many are just plain false (and sometimes just plain stupid, too).

I try to talk out of experience and not interpretation.

And this is where you go wrong. Your experience does not trump Scripture; it is not greater, or more certain or true, than God's word. Thinking that it is, is a sure way to go seriously wrong in your faith.

I did not say I watch these shows nor do i seek out tests.

You certainly seemed to imply that you did. If you don't, great! You shouldn't.

Can you give an example of being occupied with a thing of the spirit....I think this is the bases of our disagreement.

The Bible is pretty clear on this. A spiritual mind is occupied with heavenly, spiritual things, not earthly, fleshly, temporal things.

Colossians 3:1-2
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

Psalms 1:1-2
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night.

Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things.

Philippians 2:5
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

And so on.

Yes there is nothing spiritually minded about watching tv period, whether a secular or religious show.

I disagree. There are many spiritually-minded, God-honoring t.v. shows. It is not the mere watching of something on t.v. that is bad but the content of what is watched.

The most carnal thing in this world is our mind.

It can be, yes. But Scripture gives us to think that this doesn't have to be the case. Much of the Christian life is becoming more and more spiritually-minded. So it is possible to move from a carnal mind to a holy, spiritual, Christ-centered mind. In fact, one who is not spiritually minded at all Paul appears to think is one who is not really saved. Read Romans 8:1-13.

If I tame the beast that is my mind, the world I see changes.

I don't think one must "tame" their mind. I think it is more that one exchanges the mind of Christ for their carnal, sinful mind. And this is more the work of God's Spirit in us than it is an effort we make.

Everyone must traverse the narrow path for themselves and work out there own soul salvation.

Well, we all must walk with God individually. But what does it mean to "work out their own soul salvation"? Paul writes that the believer is to "work our their own salvation with fear and trembling" and then in the very next verse he writes,

Philippians 2:13
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

A disciple of Christ, a Christian, can only work out what God has first worked into them. And God works into each of His children the very same thing: His holy Spirit. It is the Person of the Holy Spirit who enables us even to desire to change and be like Christ. He is the one who transforms us as we submit to him doing so in us. And as he transforms us inwardly, we work out in our daily living that transformation. That transformation is though, for every believer, always in the same direction: toward Christ-likeness.

Romans 8:29
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I cant tell you to put on my Armour to fight Golith because you havent Proved it.

Proved it? Sorry, I don't know what you mean here...

everyone must go with the tools they are given. It would be wrong of me to tell others that they cant do something because I cant do it.

Every believer is given the exact same spiritual "tools": God's indwelling Spirit and the Bible. And every believer is given the same truth: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (Phil. 4:13) It is not, therefore, wrong of one believer to urge another to proper Christian living. If it were, most of the New Testament would not exist.

Selah.

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, God intends we should worship Him in spirit and in truth. He intends also that our lives should honor Him at every turn - even in what we choose to watch on t.v. or at the theater.

If a person serves God only by limiting the wickedness they see, yes, they do have a long way to go. But no one is suggesting this is what anybody should do. Guarding one's eyes from the evil deeds of the wicked is only a part of a life lived to glorify and honor God.

If one believer is not watching a lot of garbage on t.v. and another believer is, the one not watching garbage is, at least in this regard, doing more to honor and obey God than the one who is watching garbage. It is no mistake to recognize this; it is the plain fact of the matter.



So? Not every doctrine a person may erect from Scripture is reasonable, or handles Scripture well, or employs proper biblical hermeneutics of interpretation. So, sure, there are plenty of varying doctrines people come up with, but they are by no means all equal. Many are just plain false (and sometimes just plain stupid, too).



And this is where you go wrong. Your experience does not trump Scripture; it is not greater, or more certain or true, than God's word. Thinking that it is, is a sure way to go seriously wrong in your faith.



You certainly seemed to imply that you did. If you don't, great! You shouldn't.



The Bible is pretty clear on this. A spiritual mind is occupied with heavenly, spiritual things, not earthly, fleshly, temporal things.

Colossians 3:1-2
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

Psalms 1:1-2
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night.

Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things.

Philippians 2:5
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

And so on.



I disagree. There are many spiritually-minded, God-honoring t.v. shows. It is not the mere watching of something on t.v. that is bad but the content of what is watched.



It can be, yes. But Scripture gives us to think that this doesn't have to be the case. Much of the Christian life is becoming more and more spiritually-minded. So it is possible to move from a carnal mind to a holy, spiritual, Christ-centered mind. In fact, one who is not spiritually minded at all Paul appears to think is one who is not really saved. Read Romans 8:1-13.



I don't think one must "tame" their mind. I think it is more that one exchanges the mind of Christ for their carnal, sinful mind. And this is more the work of God's Spirit in us than it is an effort we make.



Well, we all must walk with God individually. But what does it mean to "work out their own soul salvation"? Paul writes that the believer is to "work our their own salvation with fear and trembling" and then in the very next verse he writes,

Philippians 2:13
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

A disciple of Christ, a Christian, can only work out what God has first worked into them. And God works into each of His children the very same thing: His holy Spirit. It is the Person of the Holy Spirit who enables us even to desire to change and be like Christ. He is the one who transforms us as we submit to him doing so in us. And as he transforms us inwardly, we work out in our daily living that transformation. That transformation is though, for every believer, always in the same direction: toward Christ-likeness.

Romans 8:29
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Proved it? Sorry, I don't know what you mean here...



Every believer is given the exact same spiritual "tools": God's indwelling Spirit and the Bible. And every believer is given the same truth: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (Phil. 4:13) It is not, therefore, wrong of one believer to urge another to proper Christian living. If it were, most of the New Testament would not exist.

Selah.

The only wisdom you will hear is that which is already in your head. No need to continue this conversation

And sorry, you seemed to be an expert on the words in the bible therefore i thought I could say Proved it without showing the verse. here it is:

1 Samuel 17:39
And David girded his sword upon his armour, and he assayed to go; for he had not proved it. And David said unto Saul, I cannot go with these; for I have not proved them. And David put them off him.

Good luck to you

 

[Blade]

I recently learned that sexually explicit, violent and any kind of immoral entertainment is a sin. But what about entertainment itself? It is secular, so I'm wondering if it is bad to take part in all forms of entertainment.

You know.. seek the Father and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. Its who you ask. Well just yesterday found this so called prophet talking about music. His locgic giving him and others the right to listen to any music was....you feel condemned by the enemy so..if its so wrong why would the enemy condemn you? So for him that meant GOD says its ok.

I in love suggested that maybe it was not the enemy but the sweet sweet Holy Spirit convicting your heart. For thats what He does. Now this is easy to test.. I mean what GOD will SAY!!!!!! hehe

Watch anything.. go anywhere.. listen to everything. Now listen? Yes..nothing. We are free. We must make the choice. He can not force us in any way. He is with us..and He will not judge nor condemn us.

See there is SO MUCH in this world that is NOT SIN..NOT EVIL. Yet..for ME ok? For me.. it does not give my Father glory and praise..and for me.. oh I dont want to do anything that does not give my Father glory. For me its every thought word action. For me..if I want to know whats really going on in the world.. a I believe HE would be the best source. And.. I am 56 do you know how many year He has been with me..and the Holy Spirit and I woke up.. walked this world...sleep.. and never uttered a word.

To be with someone... day in day out and they never talk to you. And.. He never once spoke about Him.. it was still to please me to make me happy. His love never changed. For that.. I was so sorry. I ran this race thinking of me me me and never Him or what He wanted or what pleased Him. So I have drawn near to Him and He to me....and never once did He judge me or condemned me.

So not everything is evil bad sin. Just have to watch what we see hear and who we hang around. We are human and these things can bring us down get us to go a wrong path...if ANYTHING leads ..hehe ME away from HIM.. for ME I should not do it.

For SOME this is the test.. not temping.. for He does not. Our brother Paul said.. he could do anything and everything. Most never get to that place. Even though he could.. he still did not.. so.. JESUS came to give YOU life and MORE abundantly. So many things in this world can be a BLAST! Just put Him 1st. let Him lead.. our choice

 

[EatingPie]

I'm not sure how I can simply such straightforward scriptures.

So I guess if you can't see how they contradict what he said, then I guess you are free to kick back and watch vampire films for entertainment with a perfectly clear conscience.

I'm pretty disappointed with this.

Simply put: the scriptures may be straightforward, but your usage of them was not. Unless you assume vampire stories are inherently evil in all genres, styles, forms, expressions. etc. Is that what where you're coming from?

-Pie

 

[Jesus4Ever]

Crucifixion was something truly shocking. It was a thing that even Roman writers had trouble describing or speaking about because it was such a horrific way to die. I think depicting that, like depicting other evils suffered by people in explicit detail can have extraordinary value, particularly to the Christian in order to understand just how much Christ suffered for our sakes. In that way the film acts as a realistic icon as opposed to the caricatures we can see depicted in other media which downplay the severity of what Christ went through.

Shock value or explicitness in content is not necessarily a bad thing, depending on the purpose.

Realistic?! They had every fall that Jesus had in slowmo!

More importantly, we are supposed to know His teachings, not how exactly how He died. Just that He died on the cross so we could have eternal life.

 

[Jesus4Ever]

Well, the reason I spoke about this matter in terms of whether or not it honors God is because this is the bottom line spelled out in Scripture. What I think I might be able to take in while remaining unaffected has nothing to do with whether or not I should. The Bible puts things on a God-centered footing:

1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

You might also consider the fact that no where does Scripture tell us we ought to seek out tests of the carnal state of our minds. Instead, we are told in Scripture to carefully guard our minds, filling them with what is right, and pure and true, (Phil. 4:8) not heinous and dark. In fact, Paul writes that a spiritual mind is occupied with things of the Spirit, not with the vile acts and fantasies of our sin-cursed world.

Romans 8:5-6
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

There is nothing spiritually-minded about vampires or the rape of children. Nothing. These are fleshly, worldly, carnal things that not only have nothing to do with God but represent the very opposite of the good, wholesome, holy things of God's Spirit. Such things, as Paul notes above, bring us to death, not the life and peace of God.



No, it is not for anyone. At least, not anyone seeking to honor God with their life.



I don't believe that. And the Bible suggests quite the opposite:

2 Peter 2:7-8
7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day with their lawless deeds),

The souls of the righteous are tormented by witnessing the wicked deeds of evil people. And if they are not, perhaps they are not as righteous as they think they are. It makes no difference if the wicked deeds they see are real or fiction. Evil is evil, for real or pretend.

Psalms 101:3-4
3 I will set nothing wicked before my eyes; I hate the work of those who fall away; It shall not cling to me.
4 A perverse heart shall depart from me; I will not know wickedness.

Selah.

I saw Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door. It has rape, abuse and all that AND its based on a true story! (Sylvia Likens)

When I watched that movie, I was horrified, frightened and sick. Now if I was elated, or enjoying it, I would agree with you but honestly, I don't think being blind to all the evil in the world is the answer. Seeing evil for what it is, I think, makes one more determined to stay away from that sort of sinful behavior in real life. It also teaches us to be wary of those around us.

 

[Radrook]

I'm pretty disappointed with this.

Simply put: the scriptures may be straightforward, but your usage of them was not. Unless you assume vampire stories are inherently evil in all genres, styles, forms, expressions. etc. Is that what where you're coming from?

-Pie

Please note that I provided scriptures which show clearly that God considers eating blood abominable and it was punishable by death under the Mosaic Law. That's like telling your kids that you find something abominable and they choosing to view reenactments of is as entertainment and expecting you to approve.,

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Realistic?! They had every fall that Jesus had in slowmo!

More importantly, we are supposed to know His teachings, not how exactly how He died. Just that He died on the cross so we could have eternal life.

The movie assumes anyone going into already knows who Jesus is and what his teachings were. Why does seeing the pain of Jesus in slow motion negatively effect it? Granted it makes it uncomfortable but that's the point, it's not meant to be something that can be casually digested upon which we get up and proceed to ignore for the rest of the day. It's designed to be truly unsettling, truly guilt inducing since we all are responsible for terrible death that happened and had to have happened that day and for us.

It's a movie not for the faint of heart, it's a movie which has a specifically Christian purpose to put us in the middle of the passion as if we were there watching it. That isn't satanic by any stretch of the imagination. You could accuse Mel Gibson of having bad taste or using violence a bit too excessively, but satanic? No.

 

[RaymondG]

I saw Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door. It has rape, abuse and all that AND its based on a true story! (Sylvia Likens)

When I watched that movie, I was horrified, frightened and sick. Now if I was elated, or enjoying it, I would agree with you but honestly, I don't think being blind to all the evil in the world is the answer. Seeing evil for what it is, I think, makes one more determined to stay away from that sort of sinful behavior in real life. It also teaches us to be wary of those around us.

I like your views. I, however aim to be neutral....e.g. not judging good vs evil.....but this is hard. I feel I put myself in a better state to be used by God when Im not emotionally swayed by outside actions...The mind of Christ is not judgmental (as seen with the woman caught in adultery) but my carnal mind is. As I die daily, my nature to judge things immediately, dies with it.

I feel everything happens for a reason....and God is in control of all ( I create peace and I make war....I the lord do all these things) so judging evil is judging God and myself in turn will be judged.

And im not condoning watching or participating in anything....but im not condemning it either.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I watch one hr of tv a week in total because I believe this and thats because my teen son watches a program with me. I wouldn't judge another christian for watching mild tv though. But we are a product of what we feed our minds and hearts.

I feel I spend too much time on here too.

I much prefer christianforums to TV .

 

[EatingPie]

Please note that I provided scriptures which show clearly that God considers eating blood abominable and it was punishable by death under the Mosaic Law. That's like telling your kids that you find something abominable and they choosing to view reenactments of is as entertainment and expecting you to approve.,

Oh, okay! I missed the references.

Since I didn't see the references, I will refrain from opining further on the blood letting. Vampirism, I mean, not the Gibsonian kind.

-Pie

 

[Mafeking]

I recently learned that sexually explicit, violent and any kind of immoral entertainment is a sin. But what about entertainment itself? It is secular, so I'm wondering if it is bad to take part in all forms of entertainment.

Nathan98. There were times in the Bible where GOD allowed His people to engage in some kinds of social rituals that seemed to have lifted the burden of work and stress off the people. Biblically, you have named what is sinful about entertainment. Whatever a Christian do should be to the glory of GOD. And Phil. 4.8 tells us what to think on and by extension practice as per verse 9.

 

[Jesus4Ever]

The movie assumes anyone going into already knows who Jesus is and what his teachings were. Why does seeing the pain of Jesus in slow motion negatively effect it? Granted it makes it uncomfortable but that's the point, it's not meant to be something that can be casually digested upon which we get up and proceed to ignore for the rest of the day. It's designed to be truly unsettling, truly guilt inducing since we all are responsible for terrible death that happened and had to have happened that day and for us.

It's a movie not for the faint of heart, it's a movie which has a specifically Christian purpose to put us in the middle of the passion as if we were there watching it. That isn't satanic by any stretch of the imagination. You could accuse Mel Gibson of having bad taste or using violence a bit too excessively, but satanic? No.

It's still a movie about torturing Jesus...perhaps satanic was an exaggeration but I certainly did not feel enlightened watching it.

 

[Jesus4Ever]

I like your views. I, however aim to be neutral....e.g. not judging good vs evil.....but this is hard. I feel I put myself in a better state to be used by God when Im not emotionally swayed by outside actions...The mind of Christ is not judgmental (as seen with the woman caught in adultery) but my carnal mind is. As I die daily, my nature to judge things immediately, dies with it.

I feel everything happens for a reason....and God is in control of all ( I create peace and I make war....I the lord do all these things) so judging evil is judging God and myself in turn will be judged.

And im not condoning watching or participating in anything....but im not condemning it either.

Fair enough. I agree with your view as well.