Is God angry if you don't go to church because of a work schedule?

[SwampFox86]

Or, find another church. Chances are, the church she's currently unable to attend isn't the only one out there. A church is a place to learn and grow in God's word. You can't learn and grow if you can't go. There are a lot of Bible believing churches out there, she just has to find one that suits her schedule.

Church is not about us. We dont make church fit our schedules. We make our schedules fit church.

Also, God isnt angry ebcause you dont go to church because of work, He is angry because you have made work more important than Him. When we say our Job and paycheck is more important than the meeting of his people, you have made your Job your Idol.

Our God is a Jealous God.

 

[ZiSunka]

Church is not about us. We dont make church fit our schedules. We make our schedules fit church.

Also, God isnt angry ebcause you dont go to church because of work, He is angry because you have made work more important than Him. When we say our Job and paycheck is more important than the meeting of his people, you have made your Job your Idol.

Our God is a Jealous God.

My sister is a nurse. She works at a hospital and is on permanent sunday morning shift. She can't ever go to church when everyone else goes because she has to be at work.

Now, she could quit her job, but then she wouldn't be able to have a witness with the dying people she helps. I guess in your way of thinking, she is defiling sunday morning by working, but in her way of thinking, sunday morning is when dying people are most responsive to talking about the hereafter and she gets to be there for them when they are open to the gospel.

She could quit so she can go to church when YOU want her to, but I think she's probably doing more for God and is being less selfish than you are.

 

[SwampFox86]

My sister is a nurse. She works at a hospital and is on permanent sunday morning shift. She can't ever go to church when everyone else goes because she has to be at work.

Now, she could quit her job, but then she wouldn't be able to have a witness with the dying people she helps. I guess in your way of thinking, she is defiling sunday morning by working, but in her way of thinking, sunday morning is when dying people are most responsive to talking about the hereafter and she gets to be there for them when they are open to the gospel.

She could quit so she can go to church when YOU want her to, but I think she's probably doing more for God and is being less selfish than you are.

I would like to start by saying that I never took a personal attack at you, but if thats a road you want to go down, thats fine, but its a lonely one.

Second, does your sister worship with other believers regularly?

Note this, I enver said you must come to church on Sunday. Only that you must attend a gathering of Believers. If you neglect that, than you are neglecting the assembling together of the Body of Christ, the Body that Jesus Christ loved enough to ransom his life for.

 

[ZiSunka]

I would like to start by saying that I never took a personal attack at you, but if thats a road you want to go down, thats fine, but its a lonely one.

Second, does your sister worship with other believers regularly?

Note this, I enver said you must come to church on Sunday. Only that you must attend a gathering of Believers. If you neglect that, than you are neglecting the assembling together of the Body of Christ, the Body that Jesus Christ loved enough to ransom his life for.

Sweetie, there was no personal attack at you.

And you DID indeed say this woman should quit her job so she can go to church on sundays because if she doesn't quit her job to go to church on sundays, YOU said it is idolatry, her job is her idol.

And I don't mind taking the lonely road, ask anyone around here. Bring it on, if you can.

 

[SwampFox86]

Sweetie, there was no personal attack at you.

And you DID indeed say this woman should quit her job so she can go to church on sundays because if she doesn't quit her job to go to church on sundays, YOU said it is idolatry, her job is her idol.

And I don't mind taking the lonely road, ask anyone around here. Bring it on, if you can.

Calling me selfish is a Personal attack.

I never said you could only go to church on Sunday. I said if she had to quit her job to attend church she should, God will reward those who walk by faith. I said this woman should, i didnt bring up your sister, or advise her to quit her job.

I cant make you take the lonely road, thats why its the lonely road, its alone.

 

[ZiSunka]

Calling me selfish is a Personal attack.

I never said you could only go to church on Sunday. I said if she had to quit her job to attend church she should, God will reward those who walk by faith. I said this woman should, i didnt bring up your sister, or advise her to quit her job.

I cant make you take the lonely road, thats why its the lonely road, its alone.

Say goodnight Gracie. Goodnight Gracie.

 

[Andyman_1970]

I am not making an assumption Church can only be on sunday, But her church is. She has to make a choice, church or work. If she is more concerned with her Job, she will work, if she is more concerned with her church, she will go to Church.

Since our authority is not the church what’s the problem? As followers of Jesus our authority is the Living God and His Son.

Look again at the references in the NT, they didnt choose work of the congregating of the saints. Remember the Sabbath, and keep it Holy.

First, Sunday is not the Sabbath, no Scripture changes the Sabbath God defined in the OT to Sunday.

Second, the concept that work is not “holy” or “spiritual” as opposed to attending an event at a church is dualism which is a cousin to Gnosticism. Remember what Paul said in Colossians 3:17 “whatever you do in word or deed do in the Name of Jesus”. Your comment about the NT and their corporate gathering vs. work is moot since there is not reference to such an issue in the NT. Jesus does say that we are under the authority of those “above us” which includes our bosses where we work.

Did you ever stop to think that God may be using her there on a Sunday to tell/show others that she works with about the Creator God and His Son?

 

[Andyman_1970]

I never said you could only go to church on Sunday.

But your posts are implying that "good Christians" go to church on Sunday, as opposed to a different day.

 

[mesue]

Church is not about us. We dont make church fit our schedules. We make our schedules fit church.

Also, God isnt angry ebcause you dont go to church because of work, He is angry because you have made work more important than Him. When we say our Job and paycheck is more important than the meeting of his people, you have made your Job your Idol.

Our God is a Jealous God.

Umm ...
Yes it is about us. We are the church. It's how we serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Nobody, myself included, has said a job and paycheck are worth more than God. Perhaps you should go back to the first post and re-read this thread. And when you do, you'll notice you have yet to give a Book, Chapter and verse to back up this pompus legalistic immature stance on this mandatory Sunday morning worship.
I hope in your following 20 years you never have to eat the words you have spewn here. But if you do, I hope someone will show you more grace in your struggle than you have shown here.

 

[arunma]

Church is not about us. We dont make church fit our schedules. We make our schedules fit church.

Also, God isnt angry ebcause you dont go to church because of work, He is angry because you have made work more important than Him. When we say our Job and paycheck is more important than the meeting of his people, you have made your Job your Idol.

Our God is a Jealous God.

Brother, idolatry is a serious charge. People often quote St. Matthew 7:1 ("Judge not."). But the next verse is, in my opinion, even more important,

For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (St. Matthew 7:2)
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Being but 22 years of age, it would be hypocritical of me to join these older sisters in criticizing you for being young and arrogant, so I certainly do not. But I would like to remind you, as you brother in Christ, that the time may come when you will be forced to choose between a Sunday job, and not putting food on your own table. Financial hardship can afflict all of us, which is why we trust in Christ and not in our finances. Now, I wish that this day would never come to you, but if it does, then God will judge you for choosing food over a Sunday church service. Not that it's wrong to make such a choice (I'm sure that James or Paul would do the same thing), but you are judged by the same measure with which you judge others. Therefore, for your own benefit, do not judge.

As believers we have freedom in Christ. Now I very respectfully disagree with our beloved brother Andyman, in that I think Sunday is the proper Sabbath. But nevertheless, we are free in Christ to choose a job over a traditional church service. So then, does that mean we should neglect meeting with the body of Christ? Certainly not! I think that such a person should not forsake Bible study and other small group activities. It says,

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1-2)
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And what does the law of sin and death say? It says,

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. (Exodus 20:8-10)
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As the Apostle says by the Holy Spirit, the Law is not sin. But because Christ Jesus is our Sabbath, there is no longer any legalistic requirement to "go to church," simply for its own sake.

And the point is that forcing a person to choose church over his or her job is legalism. Saying "God will provide" will do nothing if you don't go to work and make money. Yes, sometimes God works in mysterious ways. But the majority of the time he works in very obvious ways. He provides us with employment and money, so that we can afford our living expenses. And if we forsake this, it is very unlikely that God will supply us with manna from heaven. It says,

If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. (James 2:15-17)
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Saying "have faith, God will provide," will probably not work if we demand that God do a miraculous sign for us. God often works in very mundane ways, and a person must see him through Christ Jesus in order to understand that God is still sovereign.

 

[SwampFox86]

Before one more person says im Pompus or Legalistic or immature, PROVE WHERE I SAID YOU HAD TO ATTEND THE SUNDAY MORNING SERVICE TO BE A CHRISTIAN. Not Implied or what you assumed I meant, but that I said that word for word.

Until you do, get off my case. I am saying that anyone, ANYONE, who chooses work over meeting with other believers, is in the wrong. I have not spewed one hateful word, yet you have.

And no Ma'am, it is not about us. Not one bit of it is about us. It is all about Jesus Christ, not us.

And also, playing the age card hasnt worked on me yet, You wont be the one to change that.

 

[arunma]

First, Sunday is not the Sabbath, no Scripture changes the Sabbath God defined in the OT to Sunday.

Just a random factoid which I thought might interest you. It turns out that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (one of the oldest churches in the world) recognizes both the Sabbath Day and the Lord's Day. So both Saturday and Sunday hold significance to them. I'm still convinced that the Sabbath Day and the Lord's Day are the same thing, but I just thought I'd give you some ammo too.

 

[arunma]

And also, playing the age card hasnt worked on me yet, You wont be the one to change that.

Well, I think that age does play a role. These people, being older than us, are more experienced. We could learn quite a bit from listening to them. You do not necessarily need to agree with what they say, but the Bible does teach us to respect the older people in the church. Even the church office of "elder" evokes notions of advanced age.

 

[SwampFox86]

I am very aware that Idolatry is a serious charge. I am also aware that I am the only person that has told our sister that she needs to be in church when the Pastor, The Man that teh Lord has anointed and Appointed to lead his people, has assigned. If the pastor says his congregation meets at 4 am on tuesday mornings, you meet at 4 am on Tuesday mornings.

Everyone wants to respond with this "no, church isnt as important as your job" nonsense that is totally contrary to Scripture and the teachings of the Church. If people want to give out bad advice regarding church and the forsaking of the Believers thats fine, but I will NOT be part of it.

 

[SwampFox86]

I appreciate it, but Im not concerned with the actual day of the week whether it be sunday or thursday or whatever, just that you observe a sabbath in which you dont work and Fellowship with other believers.

For whatever reason, people automatically want to peg me as "Sunday Service or your going to Hell" which is untrue, but Im not willing to forsake Doctrine, Tradition and Theology because someones feelings might get hurt.

 

[mesue]

Before one more person says im Pompus or Legalistic or immature, PROVE WHERE I SAID YOU HAD TO ATTEND THE SUNDAY MORNING SERVICE TO BE A CHRISTIAN. Not Implied or what you assumed I meant, but that I said that word for word.

Until you do, get off my case. I am saying that anyone, ANYONE, who chooses work over meeting with other believers, is in the wrong. I have not spewed one hateful word, yet you have.

And no Ma'am, it is not about us. Not one bit of it is about us. It is all about Jesus Christ, not us.

And also, playing the age card hasnt worked on me yet, You wont be the one to change that.

Jobs are not more important than Church.

Church is more important than work.

Putting work over church and the congregating of the saints is putting an idle up before God.

Money didnt die for anyones sins, Jesus Christ did. He loved his church enough to give up his life for it, we need to love it enough to give up a little bit of extra money for it.

I am not making an assumption Church can only be on sunday, But her church is. She has to make a choice, church or work. If she is more concerned with her Job, she will work, if she is more concerned with her church, she will go to Church.

Look again at the references in the NT, they didnt choose work of the congregating of the saints. Remember the Sabbath, and keep it Holy.

Church is not about us. We dont make church fit our schedules. We make our schedules fit church.

Also, God isnt angry ebcause you dont go to church because of work, He is angry because you have made work more important than Him. When we say our Job and paycheck is more important than the meeting of his people, you have made your Job your Idol.

Our God is a Jealous God.

I would like to start by saying that I never took a personal attack at you, but if thats a road you want to go down, thats fine, but its a lonely one.

Second, does your sister worship with other believers regularly?

Note this, I enver said you must come to church on Sunday. Only that you must attend a gathering of Believers. If you neglect that, than you are neglecting the assembling together of the Body of Christ, the Body that Jesus Christ loved enough to ransom his life for.

This is the United States of America we are free to worship where we want to. Not you, or anyone else has the right to tell her where to go to church. Nobody. She is free to find a Bible believing church that has Service when she can attend. Your saying she's stuck with a current church and pastor. You keep insisting that there is no choice for this woman but to quit her job and go to the same church. She married Jesus, not the pastor. Who are you to tell her that she can't go to the church down the street?

 

[mesue]

I appreciate it, but Im not concerned with the actual day of the week whether it be sunday or thursday or whatever, just that you observe a sabbath in which you dont work and Fellowship with other believers.

For whatever reason, people automatically want to peg me as "Sunday Service or your going to Hell" which is untrue, but Im not willing to forsake Doctrine, Tradition and Theology because someones feelings might get hurt.

One has to understand Doctrine before one can forsake it.
Theology and tradition are man's conception.

 

[arunma]

I am very aware that Idolatry is a serious charge. I am also aware that I am the only person that has told our sister that she needs to be in church when the Pastor, The Man that teh Lord has anointed and Appointed to lead his people, has assigned. If the pastor says his congregation meets at 4 am on tuesday mornings, you meet at 4 am on Tuesday mornings.

Everyone wants to respond with this "no, church isnt as important as your job" nonsense that is totally contrary to Scripture and the teachings of the Church. If people want to give out bad advice regarding church and the forsaking of the Believers thats fine, but I will NOT be part of it.

Forgive me, but you have to admit that "if the pastor says 4 am, you meet at 4 am" does sound quite a bit like legalism, which is a Christian heresy. Now, I am not a fan of antinomianism either (it is also a heresy). But requiring people to worship at any specific time is legalism, and it nullifies the Gospel.

 

[SwampFox86]

This is the United States of America we are free to worship where we want to. Not you, or anyone else has the right to tell her where to go to church. Nobody. She is free to find a Bible believing church that has Service when she can attend. Your saying she's stuck with a current church and pastor. You keep insisting that there is no choice for this woman but to quit her job and go to the same church. She married Jesus, not the pastor. Who are you to tell her that she can't go to the church down the street?

I never said she couldnt go to the church down the street. Not once. I am not saying she is stuck with anything, Do NOT put words in my mouth. Where did I say "you must quit your job and attend your churches sunday service to be a real christian"

I never said it, dont put words in my mouth. If you want to prove me wrong, do it by proving me wrong, not by claiming I said something I didnt and proving it wrong. Logical Fallacy anyone?

She never said anything about wanting to leave the church, why are you trying to get her to leave her church?

 

[SwampFox86]

Forgive me, but you have to admit that "if the pastor says 4 am, you meet at 4 am" does sound quite a bit like legalism, which is a Christian heresy. Now, I am not a fan of antinomianism either (it is also a heresy). But requiring people to worship at any specific time is legalism, and it nullifies the Gospel.

Its not legalism or Heresy. I said 4 am to prove the point that as a church you have a pastor who is in charge, and what he says goes.

And you didnt actually say I am for the nullifying of the Gospel, but you are getting very close. Corporate Worship should be at a specific time, its not saying that you have to have your personal time with the Lord at 4 AM or when your Pastor says to, but when he says Corporate Worship as a body will be at a certain time, its at that certain time.