Is Calvinism a false denomination?

[K Watt]

No context, and making it say what you want.

I used the exact same words. It says what it says. You may not like it but you can't change it.

 

[renniks]

Neither of those points are true, but I’d love to see your support of them.

Um, they are both right there in your tulip, so why would you deny them?

 

[K Watt]

So I guess He can make us love.

Being alive doesn't make you love.

Love is an act of will.

 

[Hammster]

I used the exact same words. It says what it says. You may not like it but you can't change it.

And you can’t take it out if it’s context and make it mean something it doesn’t.

 

[Hammster]

Being alive doesn't make you love.

Love is an act of will.

And you can’t love God with a heart full of sin.

 

[Hammster]

Um, they are both right there in your tulip, so why would you deny them?

I don’t have a tulip.

 

[K Watt]

And you can’t love God with a heart full of sin.

God's grace has appeared to all men. He awaits our response.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks.

 

[K Watt]

And you can’t take it out if it’s context and make it mean something it doesn’t.

It means what it says. What do you think it means when it says that God wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth?

 

[Hammster]

God's grace has appeared to all men. He awaits our response.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks.

Neither are true. At least not in the apparent context that you seem to be using. I have to assume your meaning here.

 

[Hammster]

It means what it says. What do you think it means when it says that God wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth?

It means what it says in context. It doesn’t mean what you make it say apart from context.

 

[K Watt]

Neither are true. At least not in the apparent context that you seem to be using. I have to assume your meaning here.

Rev. 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men

 

[K Watt]

It means what it says in context. It doesn’t mean what you make it say apart from context.

I'll ask again:

What do you think it means when it says that God wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth?

 

[Hammster]

Rev. 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men

And...no context for either. You can make them mean whatever you want, which it appears that you have.

 

[Hammster]

I'll ask again:

What do you think it means when it says that God wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth?

Post the context and I’ll tell you.

 

[K Watt]

It means what it says in context. It doesn’t mean what you make it say apart from context.

And yet you haven't yet explained why these verses mean something different than what the words say.

Feel free to tell us what they actually mean.

 

[BBAS 64]

Rev. 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men

Good Day,K Watt

The context is a church door what relevance is this to the church because that is the context?

In the text of Titus where is your assertion "He awaits our response"

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world; looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a people for his own possession, zealous of good works. These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Not there you really need to pay attention to context:
Look at the book Titus 2:11-14

In Him,

Bill

 

[Hammster]

And yet you haven't yet explained why these verses mean something different than what the words say.

Feel free to tell us what they actually mean.

Feel free to post in context.

 

[K Watt]

Feel free to post in context.

I post the words of scripture. You claim they don't mean what they say. You can't defend your position, apparently.

You want to place Calvinist dogma into scripture where it doesn't exist. I don't need to manipulate the scriptures.

 

[K Watt]

Good Day,K Watt

The context is a church door what relevance is this to the church because that is the context?

In the text of Titus where is your assertion "He awaits our response"

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world; looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a people for his own possession, zealous of good works. These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Not there you really need to pay attention to context:
Look at the book Titus 2:11-14

In Him,

Bill

The point is not which door, the point is that Jesus knocks and if ANY MAN opens Jesus will join him.

"God wants all men to be saved" is explicit.

 

[BobRyan]

There are many Christians who just have the wrong ideas about Reformed Theology. I dislike when I'm trying to study and there's 1,000 "Calvinism or Reformers Exposed" articles that I have to try to sift through just to get some of my studying done.
These articles are spewing out many false accusations about the reformed faith and I'd like to answer some of them since this topic is about whether or not Calvinism is a false denomination.

So my first comment -- "I was not aware that Calvinism is a denomination" I thought it was a model for the gospel that various members in different denominations hold to.

These articles are spewing out many false accusations about the reformed faith and I'd like to answer some of them ...
1. Calvinists only believe a few people will be saved and many people will go to hell.
Completely 100% wrong. We believe the exact opposite actually.

Christ said that when it is all said and done -- the "MANY" will be found to be on the "Wide road" leading to destruction and "FEW" are on the narrow road that leads to life -- Matthew 7.