Is a Biblical Creationism discussion group on Facebook suppressing new ideas?

[Jipsah]

If you want to pretend a pretty extraordinary event just happened to happen.

Not sure what that was in response to. Doesn't sound like me, though.

Yes and so called aliens can't.

Defining folks who may or may not exist is kind of problematic, don't you think? "Yeah, I don't know if aliens exist, but if they do I know they're purple." Right.

Actually its not considering God created the universe.

But some bits of it are still too far away for Him to easily get there and back, isn't that what you've been saying? Oh yeah, He can manage a planet, but an enture universe is just too much for anyone." Isn't that roughly what you've been saying?

Yep God don't leave anything to chance lol. Its good innit. lol.

Ooookay...

Hum he he mamanged to create an entire universe and everything in it and had already created human beings and animals I am sure He could have created other life if He wanted to.

But only lower animals, isn't that your position?

The beauty is that He created the entire universe just for us.

That is apparently your belief, based on your own opinion without any shred of objective knowledge whatsoever. to support the notion. You could be right, but it's about equally as likely that you're wrong, isn't it? Your beliefs on the subject are based on nothing.

You just answered the question. If there are any lifeforms they are going to be souless and not needing to be saved.

Your opinion again, woth every penny of the price charged. But you're altgether welcome to it.

he original point was that the bible says God sent his some to planet earth and that the bible says Christ died once and for all.

Christianity 101,

If there were conscious beings with souls that need saving then it would be impossible for them to be saved because Christ would need to go and die on their planet. But He has already done that on earth.

Really! But the question is whether of not God realizes the impossibility of Him saving anyone who's "too far away" due to the restrictions you believe prevent Him from doing so. Id He doesn't, He may go ahead and provide the means for ssalvation for aliens in far flung star systems simply becuse He's unaware that He can't do it.

So God would not create beings with souls that need saving and no way for them to be saved.

That statement makes sense, which is surprising. Expecially given you willingness to believe that there are so many, many things that are just too difficult for God to do. But get a grip on something solid and imagine this: inagine that God really is omnipotent, omniscient, and omipresent. That means that there's nothing too difficult for Him to do. So if He's so inclined, He can make His sacrifice as our Lord Jesus Christ efficacious to sentient beings across tge entire height, length, breadth, and depth, of the entire universe as easily as He did for the entire earth. Yeah, it would be challenge for me or you, but not so much for God. After all, He spoke the entire universe into being in an instant, while you and i couldn't do it in a million years with detailed specs and the world's best engineers.

Hense there are no aliens out there with souls.

A conclusion you reach based on zero evidence, and a stack of baseless assumptions. Right.

Its not about Gods limits

An assertion that I fully expect you to contradict before the end of your post.

but the practical issue of those aliens not being able to hear the gospel from so far away.

Because God is, in your belief, limited in His ability to bring the Gospel to sentient beings He may hsve created in far away (to us) parts of His creation. You don't believe that God is omnipotenrt.

Not having Christ die on their planet as part of their history which is needed.

Sez you, based upon youor own made-up notions.

God would never make His sone be crucified twice. Its just once and for all.

Irrelevant. Just your fallacious and baseless belief that He have to.

Or maybe sophisticated pets lol.

Or slaves. Certainly lesser beings than ourselves because...reasons. So we're back at the start with a Limited God and interstellar racism again. What a surprise!

But I would say they are expendible.

Hey, as long as you're making stuff up, make it up to suit yourself.

We don't treat our pet dogs as expendible. We are a bit more compassionate than that.

Some is and some ain't

Hense no aliens out there.

And again, a conclusion based on no hard evidence of any kind, fallacious and unsupportable assumptions, and the belief that God in His incapable of managing His own creation. Other than that...

The process for salvation and the prophesies are already happening here on earth. It doesn't matter whats out there as all the action is here on earth.

Your belief is noted.

I was responding to your claim that the wormholes and multiverses are fantasies.

I made no such claim. The fantasies were your notions of how wornholes and multiverses might be used to do something or the other; precisely what being unclear.

They are theorectical physics. The multiverse is a prediction for Inflation theory which is widely accepted as to how our universe came to be.

How widely accepted, and by whom? Not that it matters; Thy're part of God's creation and dont provide magical solutions to anything, especially problems created on one's own mind.

Wormholes are a prediction of quantum mechanics and entanglement.

<ROFL> Time to hit the library and actually read a bit about quantum physics. Using it as a deus ex machina to support imaginary stuff can make for potentially entertaining science fiction, but don't help a bit when trying to support made-up premises.

Ok if you want. If you think thats best. We should also treat animals good. They may be like puppy dogs and we should love and cuddle puppy dogs. Don't be so cruel lol.

Still interstellar racism. "Oh yes, we ought to be good to our slaves. ome of them are almost as smart as us!" At least many slavemasters in centuries passed believed their slaves were human, and not soulless animals.

Ah if he created em then He can save em.

If they're not too far away, right?

Thats if they have been good little boys and girls. Or maybe thats puppies or furries or maybe intelligent jelly blubbers.

Sorry, that was simply creepy.

Yes so your creating a strawman by continually conflating that they need saving

You need to look up both "strawman" and "conflate".

and God is incapabl;e because of the distance.

Your contention, not mine. I find it ridiculous.

If they are souless animals then they don't need saving.

if they exist, and if they're soulless (your contention again).

Its not about the distance, well it is as aliens would have to find a way to get to our planet to hear the gospel

Due to God's inability to get it to them, right?

and experience the reality of Christ dying in their own history which is needed to establish a relationship with God.

Just like, I assume it was contingent on, let's say, the ancient Australian aorigines that they make their way to the Middle East and "establish a relationship" with God. Nothing God could do to take it to them. Poor God, lucky for Him Australia is only a few miles from Jerusalem. Right?

God came to us in human form, not alien

No way that could have been different, no sir. God just couldn't reach anyone but Jewish humans. Right.

, not some strange intelligent species but humans.

Who do you reckon created them? Yaqub the Mad Scientist? (Goodle it).

So its more about Christ needing to die on their planet as well.

Location being all important.

But thats impossible because Christ dies once and for all on this planet. Plus it would be a horrible thing to have to go through again. Once is enough.

And His sacrifice had an effecive range, God being limited by location. Same ridiculous song, umpteenth verse.

The bible clearly states that CHrist died once and for all. So there cannot be any creatures with souls as Christ cannot go and die on their planet.

An assertion which is supported by no evidence of any kind, no logical basis, and no other than your own imagination. Too thin, mate.

Its already been done and they will never know about the gospel.

Closed the circle again, Limited God, subhuman aliens. Abd around and around we go.

What kind of alleged :church" do you attend? Do they actually teach this kind of rubbish?

There is a massive revival happening in China in recent years.

Are you sure that isnj't too far away for God to manage? And our Lord wasn't even Chinese. You sure they even have souls? Maybe they are simply devils transmarine!

Nowhere is out of bounds for God. Even the most anti God nations and people. The Holy spirit can still penetrate satans strongholds.

Unless they're too far away...

 

[Jipsah]

I see no reason that God may have created life other places. It does not effect the marvels God created on Earth.

I see no reason to believe that He did, and I see no reason to believe that He didn't. I see the arguments that He must have done one or the other equally ridiculous.

 

[Yarddog]

I see no reason to believe that He did, and I see no reason to believe that He didn't. I see the arguments that He must have done one or the other equally ridiculous.

I don't think about until someone brings up something interesting.

 

[stevevw]

Not sure what that was in response to. Doesn't sound like me, though.

You were quipping about how God was limited in His ability to reach people. Something about the Noth Americans being too far away to be reached. I said that what started in Jerusalem a foriegn country to the US reached North Americans. So culture or where the gospel began was no limitation.

You then more or less dismissed this as a nomral evolution of how humans behave. I said its pretty extraordinary and quite unique in human history that a small Jewish sect could become the dominant belief of the very Empire that tried to shut it down and then spread throughout the western world.

Defining folks who may or may not exist is kind of problematic, don't you think? "Yeah, I don't know if aliens exist, but if they do I know they're purple." Right.

Ah your engaging in the hypothectical so if its problematic then you are contributing to it. Its not problematic is we treat it as a thought experient and hypothectical for the purposes of discussing what that may entail for reality.

But some bits of it are still too far away for Him to easily get there and back, isn't that what you've been saying? Oh yeah, He can manage a planet, but an enture universe is just too much for anyone." Isn't that roughly what you've been saying?

If you actually read and listen to my words then no thats not what I am saying. I said God is beyond time and space. I thought that was a given and well known.

Ooookay...

Okey dokey lol

But only lower animals, isn't that your position?

That God only created lower animals. No I never said that lol. That would be a strange thing for a Christian who believes in a creator God without limitations.

That is apparently your belief, based on your own opinion without any shred of objective knowledge whatsoever. to support the notion. You could be right, but it's about equally as likely that you're wrong, isn't it? Your beliefs on the subject are based on nothing.

Well of course its a Christians belief as its biblical. You can't just go along with a thought experient and make supported claims yourself and then dismiss a fundemental belief of Christians. None of our discussion has been premised on objective evidence. You have also made claims about who God is.

Its a fact that this is a fundemental Christian belief. Proving that belief is irrelevant to Christians. You say I could be right. But your language has been that God and Christian belief is wrong fullstop. You have already dismissed God before any discussion about evidence.

So there's no sense getting into the evidence because you will be biased towards your own metaphysical beliefs that there is no God and reality can only be proven by empiricle objective science. .

Your opinion again, woth every penny of the price charged. But you're altgether welcome to it.

So you have qualified peoples beliefs as an opinion and amusing like its unreal. Then you say I am welcome to it lol. Your creating a strawman and then attributing it to me.

Christianity 101,

Ok but you don't seem to understand the implications as you keep conflating that there can be aliens with souls or that God is not bothering to save people on distant planets.

Otherwise you would have realised that it is impossible for there to be aliesn with souls according to Christian 101. If Christ died once and for all on planet earth then there cannot be aliens out there with souls to be saved because there would be no way to save them.

Really! But the question is whether of not God realizes the impossibility of Him saving anyone who's "too far away" due to the restrictions you believe prevent Him from doing so.

The restrictions about what I believe came from God Himself in that CHrist came once and for all to planet earth. Someone in Siberria has the possibility of hearing the gospel. But they can't on a planet 1,000s of lightyears away.

Id He doesn't, He may go ahead and provide the means for ssalvation for aliens in far flung star systems simply becuse He's unaware that He can't do it.

Your creating a strawman. I never said that there are aliens out there to be saved in reality. The thought experiement was exactly that, a hypothectical. But I still said its impossible anyway as there would be no way for them to hear the gospel or experience Christ in their own history.

That statement makes sense, which is surprising. Expecially given you willingness to believe that there are so many, many things that are just too difficult for God to do.

Your creating a fallacy again. When did I say that something was impossible for God to do. Your conflating a thopught experiment with what God has actually said on this in the bible. Your taking that thought experiment and making it the reality over what the bible and Christians actually believe. Leave the thought experiment and seperate it from the actual Christian beliefs.

But get a grip on something solid and imagine this: inagine that God really is omnipotent, omniscient, and omipresent. That means that there's nothing too difficult for Him to do. So if He's so inclined, He can make His sacrifice as our Lord Jesus Christ efficacious to sentient beings across tge entire height, length, breadth, and depth, of the entire universe as easily as He did for the entire earth. Yeah, it would be challenge for me or you, but not so much for God. After all, He spoke the entire universe into being in an instant, while you and i couldn't do it in a million years with detailed specs and the world's best engineers.

Just because God is capable of doing anything doesn't mean He should do it. Thats what your not getting. Your assuming He should do it because he is capable. There is a lot of things God could do like skeptics say such as stopping all suffering, snapping His fingers and make climate go away, change the whether to stop devastating hurricanes.

A conclusion you reach based on zero evidence, and a stack of baseless assumptions. Right.

Wait a minute didn't you just say God could and should send Christ or send His gospel somehow to alien planets. Wheres your evidence lol.

If we are going to engage in dddiscussing who God is then how about we use His actual words in the bible. Your quite happy to play along and make claims about who God is until you don't like the answer as to who God actually is according to His owrd or the source for Christians about who God is and why He sent His son.

An assertion that I fully expect you to contradict before the end of your post.

I've been pretty coinsistent. The bible says Christ died once and for all on planet earth. Aliens with souls who need salvation could never hear or experience the gospel as they are too far away. Right now they are sinning without Christ to save them. With no way of being redeemed.

Christ cannot go and sacifice himself on an alien planet because the bible says he died once and for all.

Because God is, in your belief, limited in His ability to bring the Gospel to sentient beings He may hsve created in far away (to us) parts of His creation. You don't believe that God is omnipotenrt.

Your creating another strawman. I have never said that. I said it was impossible because God himself said Christ died once and for all. It would go against the very core beliefs of Christianity. Not because God can't do it but because its principly contradictory to Gods nature. Like that God does not make storms magically go away though He could.

Sez you, based upon youor own made-up notions.

No its in the bible. Christ died once and for all on planet earth. God would then be lying to then make Christ His son go through all that again. It would negate what Christ did on planet earth as not good enough and God said it was good enough.

That was all that was needed to save not only humans but creation itself which is the entire universe. But how can a human like alien ever be saved if they will never hear the gospel and experience Christ oin their planet and be able to visit where he was crucified.

Irrelevant. Just your fallacious and baseless belief that He have to.

Its not dallacious as God Himself said this. Its in the bible. God would not renege on His own words. The belief is based on Gods own words. Its not made up by Christians.

Or slaves. Certainly lesser beings than ourselves because...reasons. So we're back at the start with a Limited God and interstellar racism again. What a surprise!

Another fallacy of misrepresentation of Gods own word. The bible says we are all made in His image. That there is neither slave or free. Your conflating what actually is a fallacious belief about God. Your using that fallacious belief to attack God and not listening to what He actually says.

Some is and some ain't

Yes but our moral consensus is that we are not cruel to animals. In fact its against the law.

And again, a conclusion based on no hard evidence of any kind, fallacious and unsupportable assumptions, and the belief that God in His incapable of managing His own creation. Other than that...

It is supported by the bible itself for which Christian belief is based on.

You were just making unsupported claims that God was this and that. Why wasn't the evidence important for when you made these claims. But now its important. We have both accepted that we are talking about the possibilities for God so we don't need evidence. Your not requiring it for yourself so why are you insisting that I should provide evidence.