IS 2 TIMOTHY TRUE FOR TODAY ??

[Dan Perez]

And HYPOMENO 2 Tim 2:12 says IF // is a Conjucation
BASILEUO
# 2 WE SUFFER or ENDURE

#3 WE SHALL SYMBASILEUO , is in the Greek , Future tense in the ACTIVE VOICE , meaning Christ will be doing the action , and in the INDICAIVE

Mood , meaning you better believe it , and in the Plural , meaning to all believers !!

# 4 ALSO // KAI is a Conjunction

# 5 REIGN WITH // SYMBASILEUO , is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , meaning Christ is the main actor and in the INDICATIVE MOOD

meaning you better believe it and in the Plural , meaning all Grace believers .

# 6 HIM // was added

# 7 IF // EI is a conjunction

# 8 WE DENY // ARNEOMAI , is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , meaning for over 2000 years and counting to 2O25

and ARNEOMAI , can be Translated by , TO DENY , , TO REJECT , REFUSE , DISREGARD , TO DISOWN or to CONTADICT .

# 9 HE ALSO // KAKEINOS , in the Greek , Nominative Case and and in the SINGULAR , means to what the Holy Spirit had Paul write .

# 10 WILL DENY // ARNEOMAI , is in the Greek FIUTURE TENSE and is pointing to the JUDGMENT , called the BEMA SEAT !!

# 11 US // HEMAS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , ACCUSSATIVE CASE , means LIMITED to those saved by GRACE , like ROM 10 :9 -1O

And I will begin will how we CONTRADICT Christ , BY Not following our APOSTLE Paul and following him as written in 1 Cor 11:1 You

become IMITATORS of ME , as I am of Christ

And also ROMANS 16:25 and 26 , What say you ??

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

All of God's Words apply to everyone, both the good and the bad. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

 

[Dan Perez]

All of God's Words apply to everyone, both the good and the bad. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Were those verses you wrote , are they not written to Israel and NOT to the Body of Christ !!

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Were those verses you wrote , are they not written to Israel and NOT to the Body of Christ !!

dan p

Every Word of God applies to everyone. Previously cited Jesus on the matters from both the O.T. and the N.T.

 

[Dan Perez]

Every Word of God applies to everyone. Previously cited Jesus on the matters from both the O.T. and the N.T.

Yes all the bible is for us and to know about things that happened before we began to live on the earth he made

like Eph 1:6 just as He CHOSE us for Himself in Him BEFORE // PRO , the over throw of the WORLD , for us to be holy

ad without blemish before Him in Love ,

By the was , in 1 Cor 10: 2 Is this for the Body of Christ , And all were BATPIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and

in the SEA .

Is this for today and are we to be BAPTIZED as Moses was baptized ??

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Yes all the bible is for us and to know about things that happened before we began to live on the earth he made

Definitely for our examples. But there are real time here and now applications from every Word of God (termed Living and Active in Hebrews, remember?)

A very simple example: The law is against the lawless. Was then. Still is.

As to understanding general applicability that would largely be ventures into similitudes, allegories, parables, figures, etc. Not too many have those kinds of interest pursuits to have decent discussions of them.

Another example of O.T. current applicability of this is from Paul in Gal. 4 when he terms the lives and Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Hagaar, Ishmael and the LAW as allegory and summarizes the entirety of it by showing Ishmael still fights against Isaac in US. That's a doozy to back engineer

I'd also footnote for your reading expansion that God has many Words directed toward the devil and his messengers and they are still quite busy here "in" earth, so ALL those Words are still active and against THEM to this day

 

[Dan Perez]

Definitely for our examples. But there are real time here and now applications from every Word of God (termed Living and Active in Hebrews, remember?)

A very simple example: The law is against the lawless. Was then. Still is.

As to understanding general applicability that would largely be ventures into similitudes, allegories, parables, figures, etc. Not too many have those kinds of interest pursuits to have decent discussions of them.

Another example of O.T. current applicability of this is from Paul in Gal. 4 when he terms the lives and Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Hagaar, Ishmael and the LAW as allegory and summarizes the entirety of it by showing Ishmael still fights against Isaac in US. That's a doozy to back engineer

I'd also footnote for your reading expansion that God has many Words directed toward the devil and his messengers and they are still quite busy here "in" earth, so ALL those Words are still active and against THEM to this day

AND NOTHING ABOUT 1 Cor 10:2 and the CLOUD and SEA have a meaning ??

How were the thousands of Jews BAPTIZED unto Moses , when the Greek word WATER // HUDOR is not in 1 Cor 10:2 ??

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

AND NOTHING ABOUT 1 Cor 10:2 and the CLOUD and SEA have a meaning ??

Of course. But definitely not in any entirely literalist sense. Literal events preview or come first before spiritual events as in the order Paul described in 1 Cor. 15, first the natural, then the spiritual

Those natural events are forerunners of spiritual events

How were the thousands of Jews BAPTIZED unto Moses , when the Greek word WATER // HUDOR is not in 1 Cor 10:2 ??

dan p

Your point is what? Clearly Paul in 1 Cor. 10 shows that all of them engaged temptations, and these of whom? Uh, that would be the TEMPTER.

Not all things are as they appear on the surface and are definitely closer than they appear in the mirror

 

[Aristarkos]

Were those verses you wrote , are they not written to Israel and NOT to the Body of Christ !!

dan p

The everything-is-the-same theology is wide spread because it's the easiest to follow, what ever distinction you discover in Gods Word for them it applies to everyone. For example when Paul says in 1 Cor. 10:32 "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:" he is according to them not talking about different groups, but it applies to everyone or in other words it's all the same.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

The everything-is-the-same theology is wide spread because it's the easiest to follow, what ever distinction you discover in Gods Word for them it applies to everyone. For example when Paul says in 1 Cor. 10:32 "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:" he is according to them not talking about different groups, but it applies to everyone or in other words it's all the same.

Aristarkos

And this what 1 Cor 10:32 really means !!

# 1 GIVE // GINOMAI , is in the Greek PESENT ENSE , and can be in the Middle or Passive Voice , and in the IPERATIVE CASE

and in the PLURAL !

# 2 NONE OFFENSE // APROAKOPOS , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the Plural , meaning everyone !!

# 3 NEITHER // KAI , is a Conjunction ,

# 4 TO THE JEW // IOUDAOS , in the DATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 5 NOR // KAI , a CONJUNCATION !!

# 6 TO THE GENTILES // HELLEN , in the Dative case , in the PLURAL

# 7 NOR ?? KAI , a CONJUNCTION

# 8 TO THE // O , is a Definite Article , in the DATIVE CASE and in the SIGNULAR

# 9 ASSEMBLY // EKKLESIA , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR !

# 10 OF GOD // THEOS , in the GENITIVE CASE and in the SINGULAR !!

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

And this what 1 Cor 10:32 really means !!

# 1 GIVE // GINOMAI , is in the Greek PESENT ENSE , and can be in the Middle or Passive Voice , and in the IPERATIVE CASE

and in the PLURAL !

# 2 NONE OFFENSE // APROAKOPOS , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the Plural , meaning everyone !!

# 3 NEITHER // KAI , is a Conjunction ,

# 4 TO THE JEW // IOUDAOS , in the DATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 5 NOR // KAI , a CONJUNCATION !!

# 6 TO THE GENTILES // HELLEN , in the Dative case , in the PLURAL

# 7 NOR ?? KAI , a CONJUNCTION

# 8 TO THE // O , is a Definite Article , in the DATIVE CASE and in the SIGNULAR

# 9 ASSEMBLY // EKKLESIA , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR !

# 10 OF GOD // THEOS , in the GENITIVE CASE and in the SINGULAR !!

dan p

I wonder whether you agree or disagree with my previous post..?

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

I wonder whether you agree or disagree with my previous post..?

Aristarkos

And some posters say the same things to me , that they do not understand what I write , is why write what each word

in the Greek text says and means !!

WILL give a verse that explains that the everything is the same theology

AND I see many different groups in the bible !!

Like in Gal 3 :28

Col 3:16

dan p

 

[concretecamper]

2 Tim 2:12

If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. - 2 Timothy 2:12

Accordingly, I beseech you, let us so perform all our actions that we may not fail to obtain such glory as this. To obtain it is by no means difficult, if we desire it, or arduous, if we apply ourselves to it. For, “If we endure, we shall also reign.” What is the meaning of “If we endure”? If we patiently bear tribulations and persecutions; if we walk the narrow path. The narrow path is unattractive by nature but becomes easy when we choose to follow it, because of our hope for the future.

- St. John Chrysostom

 

[Dan Perez]

2 Tim 2:12

If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. - 2 Timothy 2:12

Accordingly, I beseech you, let us so perform all our actions that we may not fail to obtain such glory as this. To obtain it is by no means difficult, if we desire it, or arduous, if we apply ourselves to it. For, “If we endure, we shall also reign.” What is the meaning of “If we endure”? If we patiently bear tribulations and persecutions; if we walk the narrow path. The narrow path is unattractive by nature but becomes easy when we choose to follow it, because of our hope for the future.

- St. John Chrysostom

IF WE ?/ is a CONJUNCTION

WE ENDUE // HYPOMENO // HYPOMENO , G5278 is in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD ,

in the Plural !!

ENDURE can be translated , take patiently 2 x , tarry behind 1 x , patient 1 x , suffer 1 x

WE SHAL // SYMBASILEUO , a verb in the FUTURE TENSE ,ACTIVE TENSE , in the PLURAL !!

Your thoughts on 2 Tim 2:13 and 14 ??

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

IF WE ?/ is a CONJUNCTION

WE ENDUE // HYPOMENO // HYPOMENO , G5278 is in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD ,

in the Plural !!

ENDURE can be translated , take patiently 2 x , tarry behind 1 x , patient 1 x , suffer 1 x
is what is what 2 Tim 2:13
WE SHAL // SYMBASILEUO , a verb in the FUTURE TENSE ,ACTIVE TENSE , in the PLURAL !!

Your thoughts on 2 Tim 2:13 and 14 ??

dan p

This is what 2 Tim 2:13 really means !!

# 1 IF // EI , is a conjucation

# 2 WE BELIEVE NOT // APISTEO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , in the Plural

# 3 YET was Added

# 4 HE // EKEINOS , DEMOSTRATIVE PRONOUN , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

#5 ABITHTH // MENO , in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD , in b the SIGNULAR

# 6 FAITHFUL PISTOS , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 7 HE CANNOT // DYNAMAI , in the PRESENT TENSE , in tje MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE , in the SINGULAR

# 8 DENY // ARNOMAI , in tje AOTIST TENSE , in the MIDDLE VOICE .

# 9 HIMSELF // HEAOTOU is a REFEXIVE PRONOUN , ACTIVE VOICE , ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

This is what happens to a DISBELIEVER , and 1 Cor 3:12-15 says it all , that your Works with go through the FIRE // means

JUDGMENT and you will saved , but will LOSE ALL REWADS , and read verses to # 23

And what did tey not BELIEVE ??

Did not follow Paul , 1 Cor 11:1

Did not each teach the MYSTERY of Rom 16:25 and 26

dan p