International Student Visas Revoked - War on Higher Education?

[Perpetual Student]

That's not anti-intellectualism. That's budgetary.

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

 

[DaisyDay]

That's not a requirement for Visa cancelation. That only applies to actual criminal charges in a court of law. It's irrelevant in these cases.

Except in these and similar visa revocations, when their visa is revoked they become subject to ICE when suddenly they are no longer "documented".

 

[DaisyDay]

Oh I think so, because you've given it.

That doesn't seem to make a dent.

 

[sanderabeer]

But I certainly challenge the concept of the particular definition.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean to imply that "the concept of a particular definition" can be "right" or "wrong?"

For context, I am approaching and thinking about this from the perspective as someone trained in linguistics.

I mean art? Really? Just because someone has a certain opinion on certain so called art they are anti-intellectual?

I must have missed this comment. But surely one can have "anti-intellectual" opinions, no? And if they can have such opinions, why not about art? I understand art is often seen as "subjective" and "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," but there are certainly ways that anti-intellectual opinions could play out in the art world regardless if we use your preferred definition of anti-intellectual or the others in this thread.

 

[sanderabeer]

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

A good argument could be made that cutting the scientific research budget is anti-intellectual. I don't think it's necessarily anti-intellectual, but I do think with those making the decisions now a good case could be made that it is.

However, I don't think the connection being made here between the research budget and golfing budget is necessarily anti-intellectual. For it to be such, the person(s) making both decisions would need to approach it from a holistic perspective rather than treating each item in isolation. That is, they would need to be aware that doing one impacts the other. And I think that simply gives too much credit to those making the decisions. The connection is likely not anti-intellectualism, but it is just "plain stupid."

 

[rjs330]

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

No its not. It's okay to hold your opinion, but it's not. What's your evidence? Simply cutting budgets is not evidence that it's anti-intellectualism.

 

[rjs330]

Except in these and similar visa revocations, when their visa is revoked they become subject to ICE when suddenly they are no longer "documented".

Immigration law does not have the same requirements as criminal law. Not sure how manybtimes it needs to be said. You can be frustrated over it, but it is the law of the land and has been adjudicated as such. You'll need a different ruling from the Supreme Court. Just like we had to get.

 

[rjs330]

I must have missed this comment. But surely one can have "anti-intellectual" opinions, no?

What does that even mean? Inbthe definition it talks about several things, art being one of them. How is disagreeing rhat something is art or not anti-intellectual?

What do you mean by this? Do you mean to imply that "the concept of a particular definition" can be "right" or "wrong?"

I'm saying it's a bad definition. My art example shows why.

I understand art is often seen as "subjective" and "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," but there are certainly ways that anti-intellectual opinions could play out in the art world regardless if we use your preferred definition of anti-intellectual or the others in this thread.

Tell me how.

 

[loveofourlord]

I think the criteria for being an intellectual has changed. A long time ago one could be left, center, or right and still be an intellectual. I think now it is required that one be on the left to be an intellectual. So if you have a centrist or even right of center position you are not an intellectual and are in face anti-intellectual. It's just the times we live in.

right and it's not years of the right and fox news complaining about, "ivory tower elites." and attacks on experts if they disagree with the right, just look at how many think trumps smarter then all the economists.

 

[essentialsaltes]

UCLA international student detained at U.S.-Mexico border amid Trump visa cancellations​

“UCLA has learned that an international graduate student was detained by United States Customs and Border Protection while attempting to enter the United States from Mexico,” Mary Osako, UCLA vice chancellor for strategic communications, said in a statement to The Times.

“The student remains in the custody of CBP and we are actively working to learn more information."

[Her name and nationality are being kept private at the moment.]

Since late March, the Trump administration has suddenly canceled more than 1,000 visas of foreign students in the U.S., including more than 120 in California and roughly 20 at UCLA.

The administration has not given detailed reasons for the visa or student enrollment status cancellations.

More aggressive immigration enforcement actions took place last month, mainly at Ivy League and elite campuses in the Northeast, including Columbia University, where foreign students who supported pro-Palestinian protests were arrested for deportation. Some of those students were of Arab, Muslim or South Asian backgrounds. In statements and legal filings, the Trump administration has claimed the students were supporters of Hamas, a U.S.-designated terrorist group, and a threat to U.S. foreign policy goals.

In the case of the detained UCLA student, it is not known if she was involved in pro-Palestinian activism or if her visa had been canceled.

 

[DaisyDay]

This tactic of abruptly canceling visas, then immediately arresting the holders for suddenly having become illegal, imprisoning them and then deporting them with no hearing or explanation is anti-American, against the Constitution and against the rule of law. This is scary.

Apparently, when ICE/DHS take phones from people, they are collecting their contacts then mass emailing those contacts ordering them to "self-deport or else", despite the contacts being US citizens.