Immigration accounted for all U.S. population growth in 2022-23, first time since 1850

[dogs4thewin]

Something is wrong... If we are barely, if that, replacing ourselves I would like to explore why.

is health a factor, are we that unhealthy, when we should be extremely healthy?

Or is it something else... It is definitely something to explore and do a couple studies on to find out.

Well one factor at least in terms of birth rates is that more people are CHOOSING either to not have chidren or to just have one or two as opposed to three four and even five or more.

 

[Belk]

There is a big difference between believing a personal doctor and believing that "Whoopi, we're all gonna die"
When the medis beats the drum, where there is money and power to be gained by ginning up the "save the world" machine.
Always there are contradictions
In population:
The US does not need native born babies as then we all starve
The US does need foriegn born babies as the natives are dying out.

In Global Warming:
The world is warming up and the oceans are rising!
Then when that didn't happen
It is climate change. Any weather is shouted to be unusual and evidence of change in areas that didn't have any weather monitering systems 50 -75 years ago. The data just isn't there.

I can belive a mechanic or a doctor but these big, mass media productions, that as I said, generate money and power for the likes of Al Gore, no thanks.

As I stated, I find your logic in this case suspect. Most especially since I read the case from the Club of New Rome in high school. That they were wrong does not make all the criminologists world wide incorrect.

 

[Belk]

Years and years ago, not in time for me, "highway robbery" concerning the service station mechanics shops one had at times to deal with when traveling was well known and publicized at times, and people who knew of it could take care to try not to be robbed by those "experts" along the way. The so-called "experts" , whether mechanics, or some other service all the way up to , so to speak, medical experts, were trained well in robbing people while tricking them often , and not getting caught in their crime(s).
So the "once" that is known, was/is/ accompanied by a hundred times "unknown", through false practices, deceptive, for the purpose of more money from the unwary.
THe system is corrupt. Not just one instance, but thru and thru.

Yes, I've heard you theories before. I find them no more convincing now then I did then.

 

[Aaron112]

Yes, I've heard you theories before. I find them no more convincing now then I did then.

You mean you read my observations and/or experiences before. Big difference -- no theory involved. No worries though, go away if you don't like truth.

 

[comana]

Well one factor at least in terms of birth rates is that more people are CHOOSING either to not have chidren or to just have one or two as opposed to three four and even five or more.

And many are choosing none. Life is expensive, children are really expensive. We’ve become a society where children are a luxury, but ironically the wealthier often choose fewer children As well.

 

[DaisyDay]

Well when they told you there was an ice age coming, then turned around and said global warming was the problem, made a movie that said the ice caps would be melted by now and all the polar bears would be dead then changed global warming to climate change so no matter what happens we're screwed it tends to make you weary of the "experts"

There is an ice age coming - it's just a matter of when. Current best estimate is approximately 11,000 years, but if something extraordinary happens (such as a nuclear winter, giant asteroid impact, multiple volcanic eruptions, etc.) it could happen sooner. As for global warming/climate change, we may not have hit all the "worst case" scenario points, we've hit enough "very bad case" points to say we are at the tipping point and we should be taking steps to mitigate the foreseeable disasters awaiting us. Saying, "See, we still have some polar bears!" is whistling past the graveyard, so to speak.

Of course, "the experts" will make mistakes - they are people (or AI similarities), but experts at least know their own fields - they should not be given deference outside their own field.

 

[FireDragon76]

It’s been studied. The exact reasons are still somewhat foggy (or at least complicated), but it’s not at all exclusive to the US. This is what happens when societies become more affluent - people have fewer kids, later in life, but devote proportionally more resources to raising them. Other countries have tried a variety of approaches to increasing birth rates, but AFAIK, nothing has even moved the needle.

The explanations that seem most plausible to me are 1.) that, as society becomes more wealthy, everybody, but especially women, has more career opportunities, and so the opportunity cost of having children young is much higher, so child rearing is delayed; and 2.) as society becomes more educated and wealthy, the standards for childcare increase, making raising them more burdensome, not just in terms of money, but also in time/attention. The college-educated working dad of today, for example, spends at least as much time with his kids as SAHM’s did in the 50’s.

People might not see sufficient incentives to have children in terms of the economics and personal satisfaction. As people get more educated and affluent, they tend to become more aware of the costs of raising children. In the past, people simply had alot of kids because they weren't particular educated and they had more free time on their hands to raise children. They also had more stable communities with stronger norms (not that I'm a fan of nostaglia for all aspects of that, necessarily).

Fun fact: I learned in anthropology, that when societies got access to television, birth rates went down... so some of it may be due to less sheer boredom.

 

[BPPLEE]

There is an ice age coming - it's just a matter of when. Current best estimate is approximately 11,000 years, but if something extraordinary happens (such as a nuclear winter, giant asteroid impact, multiple volcanic eruptions, etc.) it could happen sooner. As for global warming/climate change, we may not have hit all the "worst case" scenario points, we've hit enough "very bad case" points to say we are at the tipping point and we should be taking steps to mitigate the foreseeable disasters awaiting us. Saying, "See, we still have some polar bears!" is whistling past the graveyard, so to speak.

Of course, "the experts" will make mistakes - they are people (or AI similarities), but experts at least know their own fields - they should not be given deference outside their own field.

I don't think we can make changes to prevent it, I think we need to prepare for it.
Climate change has always happened and always will

 

[DaisyDay]

Something is wrong... If we are barely, if that, replacing ourselves I would like to explore why.

is health a factor, are we that unhealthy, when we should be extremely healthy?

Or is it something else... It is definitely something to explore and do a couple studies on to find out.

The US is extraordinarily unfriendly to families. Prenatal healthcare is apportioned by wealth. Ob-gyns are leaving certain areas because they cannot practice best care for their patients because of draconian abortion laws. Maternal death rates are very high for an industrialized, wealthy nation - particularly for Native American women and Black women. Best practices for child birth (monitoring blood loss, blood pressure, etc) are not mandated in most states. Birth is expensive and, as we all are aware, coverage varies considerably.

Supposing all goes well and both mother and child survive in good health, parental leave is UNPAID and only guaranteed for 12 weeks max. Childcare is expensive and unreliable, for most people who don't have extended family situations. Unless they got a good pre- or post-nupt agreement, the stay-at-home parent is at a considerable financial, career and social disadvantage should the marriage end.

Feminists can bite me. Women would rather be queens in our homes than slaves for the office pervert.

Well, you can just bite us right back. Women would rather chose what to be rather than told what we must be. It is far easier to escape and prosecute the office pervert than the in-home pervert, btw.

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't think we can make changes to prevent it, I think we need to prepare for it.

We could make changes to mitigate it. We do need to prepare for it, but the US isn't, for the most part willing to acknowledge it.

Climate change has always happened and always will

Yes, that is true; however, we understand most of the natural cycles and causes. The current warming is outside natural cycles and is and has been affected by the greenhouse effect of certain gases. We can affect the amount of atmospheric carbon (and methane)- we have affected it and are continuing to affect it. We could make it less bad, but we are choosing not to.

Good or bad - you could argue that thinking it so, makes it so, whether good or whether bad, but stability is almost always better for human flourishing. The climate we currently have is the climate we are adapted to; that is what makes it "best" for us as a whole.

 

[BPPLEE]

We could make changes to mitigate it. We do need to prepare for it, but the US isn't, for the most part willing to acknowledge it.

Yes, that is true; however, we understand most of the natural cycles and causes. The current warming is outside natural cycles and is and has been affected by the greenhouse effect of certain gases. We can affect the amount of atmospheric carbon (and methane)- we have affected it and are continuing to affect it. We could make it less bad, but we are choosing not to.

Good or bad - you could argue that thinking it so, makes it so, whether good or whether bad, but stability is almost always better for human flourishing. The climate we currently have is the climate we are adapted to; that is what makes it "best" for us as a whole.

Unless you get the rest of the world to agree to the restrictions it's like trying to empty the ocean with a coffee cup

 

[DaisyDay]

Unless you get the rest of the world to agree to the restrictions it's like trying to empty the ocean with a coffee cup

Not really. Most the rest of the world has agreed - we unilaterally pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords. The US is also one of the major contributors to the carbon problem. If we, as the largest economy, wealthiest nation can't commit, then the world as we know it is going to undergo very bad, possibly catastrophic, climate change.

Oh well. Might as well burn it all down!

 

[BPPLEE]

Not really. Most the rest of the world has agreed - we unilaterally pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords. The US is also one of the major contributors to the carbon problem. If we, as the largest economy, wealthiest nation can't commit, then the world as we know it is going to undergo very bad, possibly catastrophic, climate change.

Oh well. Might as well burn it all down!

China has agreed while it is building more coal plants.
India's air pollution is so bad people regularly die from it.
And third world countries don't care

 

[Belk]

Unless you get the rest of the world to agree to the restrictions it's like trying to empty the ocean with a coffee cup

I don't know. Being the second largest emitter in the world I think we might have an effect if we changed our ways.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Fun fact: I learned in anthropology, that when societies got access to television, birth rates went down... so some of it may be due to less sheer boredom.

Or cathode rays cause sterility...

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't know. Being the second largest emitter in the world I think we might have an effect if we changed our ways.

8h

 

[Belk]

8h

Are you just wanting to post this image or do you feel it germane to my point somehow?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

How about this. As a conservative woman all this feminist nonsense is for the birds.

Give me a me good man who will love me, take care of me and his children I bear to him, and give me a KitchenAid stand mixer.

Feminists can bite me. Women would rather be queens in our homes than slaves for the office pervert.

Women's liberation was women's enslavement to corporations who don't care about us or our families. Our society was better when women were actually raising their kids, instead of being slaves.

Only men should suffer such a fate!

 

[Pommer]

China has agreed while it is building more coal plants.
India's air pollution is so bad people regularly die from it.
And third world countries don't care

We can’t do ‘the correct thing’ because China won’t?

 

[iluvatar5150]

8h

lol, this is like saying that the fear over y2k was unfounded because nothing happened.