Illegal immigrant convicted of killing teens in high-speed crash to be released early: 'It's disgusting'

[Say it aint so]

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has put out a detainer for his arrest following his likely release by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. However, the Golden State’s sanctuary laws lead to questions about whether the state will adhere to that detainer. CDCR does typically cooperate with ICE detainers.
Before the tragedy, Ortega-Anguiano had multiple felonies on his record, as well as several convictions for driving without a license. Border czar Tom Homan vowed on Fox News to honor the detainer and swiftly place him into federal custody upon his release.

Illegal immigrant convicted of killing teens in high-speed crash to be released early: 'It's disgusting'

The families of the victims of an Orange County, Calif., high-speed car crash are sending letters to the state to keep an illegal immigrant convicted felon behind bars.

www.yahoo.com

I don't understand the liberal approach to crime.

That's FOXnews. One of the worse media outlets ever to exist. What they are not saying is Federal Charges against this individual had been filed long ago.

“If the State of California will not seek the full measure of justice against this individual, [the Justice Department] will,” Essayli said in a post on X. Essayli noted that pending charges — initially filed by his predecessor under the Biden administration — could land Oscar Eduardo Ortega-Anguiano in federal prison for up to 20 years if he is convicted of illegally reentering the country after being deported twice previously.""​

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Ten years for gross (aggravated?) vehicular manslaughter seems about right to me. That's a serious sentence for a serious unintentional crime. Time off for time served awaiting trial is fair. Time off for good behavior seems to be as much about managing prisons as anything.

Feds to pursue immigration case against driver in O.C. crash that killed couple

Gov. Gavin Newsom's press office said Wednesday that the state would "coordinate with ICE" to transfer a man facing federal immigration charges after serving time in state prison for a deadly 2021 crash on the 405 Freeway.

www.latimes.com

[U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California] [Bill] Essayli noted that pending charges — initially filed by his predecessor under the Biden administration — could land Oscar Eduardo Ortega-Anguiano in federal prison for up to 20 years if he is convicted of illegally reentering the country after being deported twice previously.​

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...A spokesperson for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said Ortega-Anguiano “received 334 days of pre-sentence credits for time served locally while awaiting sentencing and is eligible for credit-earning opportunities while incarcerated.”​

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...Gov. Gavin Newsom’s press office subsequently released a statement pledging to honor the detainer on Ortega-Anguiano, saying that state prison officials “will again coordinate with ICE — as they have w/ 10,000+ inmates — to transfer him before release.”​

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A spokesperson for ICE said a detainer was placed on June 9, 2022, while Ortega-Anguiano was housed at North Kern State Prison. According to ICE, his previous criminal convictions include burglary in 2005; vehicle theft in 2007; and battery on spouse with kidnapping in 2014.​

It seems as though the questions are 1) should he be tried on the pending federal charges, 2) if convicted on those charges should he serve time in the federal penitentiary or 3) he should just be given to ICE for immediate deportation and 4) should he be rendered to the gulag? It is not that he will be freed.

I know it is just my opinion, but I actually like the restorative justice system similar to that found with the Afghan Pashtu people. For example, if someone was guilty of involuntary manslaughter of a man who had a family, his punishment would be essentially be requiring to pay child support and alimony for the rest of his life.

 

[DaisyDay]

What if the person was not an undocumented immigrant?

Then they better be trans or gay.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

To me it’s a very weird take to ask if it’s morally wrong to be afraid as that really isn’t a question of morality but of perception.

As a young woman I lived alone in Hell’s Kitchen just below Port Authority bus station in NYC. I also worked the evening shift which meant walking home in the wee hours of the morning. Homeless men were not what scared me but young men with money and a sense of entitlement (and of course drug addicts needing a quick buck). The street women never bothered me but they did harass male visitors.

Let @Fantine speak for herself. I still wait for her response.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Then they better be trans or gay.

Again. Let @Fantine speak for herself.

 

[Fantine]

Not all stereotypes are morally and factually wrong. Sometimes it is called discernment. For example, would a young woman be morally and factually wrong to be afraid of a homeless man approaching her on the street at night? Think about the fable of the frog and the scorpion.

Not carrying a gun, it must be obvious to you I'm not driven by fear.
At night, I would park and walk in well-lit areas buy without "profiling" those who walk by.
I remember so vividly driving on the BQE to my hubby's company softball game. Way before Brooklyn was gentrified. My car overheated and I pulled off in perhaps Bedford-Stuy or Brownsville. A group of young black men standing on the corner came over and helped me get back on the road. They couldn't have been nicer. I wanted to give them something for their trouble but they refused. It taught me not to stereotype. If you respect others most of the time they'll respect you.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Not carrying a gun, it must be obvious to you I'm not driven by fear.
At night, I would park and walk in well-lit areas buy without "profiling" those who walk by.

Who is carrying a gun? You or the others? Sure, you may not be driven by fear. But you are driven by instinct whether you want to believe it or not. Just think about what your first instinct would be if you came across a bear in the middle of the trail you were hiking. What would you do? How would you react? Would you fight the bear? Would you run from the bear? Or would you just play dead and wait for the bear to leave? I ask this because it determines how your amygdala is hard wired in your brain. For many vulnerable women, seeing a homeless man approaching them will trigger the flight or fight response. But for the left, if that man was black, you'd be the racist bigot guilty of "stereotyping" people in a way that is "morally and factually wrong."

 

[FreeinChrist]

Let @Fantine speak for herself. I still wait for her response.

Members can reply if they want to.

 

[Richard T]

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has put out a detainer for his arrest following his likely release by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. However, the Golden State’s sanctuary laws lead to questions about whether the state will adhere to that detainer. CDCR does typically cooperate with ICE detainers.
Before the tragedy, Ortega-Anguiano had multiple felonies on his record, as well as several convictions for driving without a license. Border czar Tom Homan vowed on Fox News to honor the detainer and swiftly place him into federal custody upon his release.

Illegal immigrant convicted of killing teens in high-speed crash to be released early: 'It's disgusting'

The families of the victims of an Orange County, Calif., high-speed car crash are sending letters to the state to keep an illegal immigrant convicted felon behind bars.

www.yahoo.com

I don't understand the liberal approach to crime.

I will help you understand at least my attitude which is not liberal or conservative but one that I think follows the constitution. The man did his time for the killings. Double Jeopardy is unconstitutional. So now Homan and other Trump officials vilify him because the the two deaths and push the whole illegal agenda. Yes, they can and should prosecute for illegal entry and other Federal crimes, but the parents and some in the Trump admin point to the deaths as the reason for renewed prosecution. The sentence for the deaths however is served. Don't blame me but that is typical of most criminal cases. Light sentences and easy parole. You want justice, please change that.

So to me it is not just about illegals but about highly variable sentencing and release. A ten year sentence in most states may equal 3-4 years in prison and parole. Hope this helps you understand how some feel about the justice system. Liberals may be just as guilty. Eomotions are powerful but cases and sentencing should be based on the crime at hand taking into account for previous criminal activity and sentencing guidelines if any. Most judges do this well though there is sometimes quite a bit of variance, even between judges.

 

[Valletta]

That's FOXnews. One of the worse media outlets ever to exist.

Off topic.

 

[Valletta]

The man did his time for the killings. Double Jeopardy is unconstitutional. So now Homan and other Trump officials vilify him because the the two deaths and push the whole illegal agenda. Yes, they can and should prosecute for illegal entry and other Federal crimes, but the parents and some in the Trump admin point to the deaths as the reason for renewed prosecution.

8. U.S. Code 1326 specifies sentences depending on previous convictions. It is not double jeopardy, such laws have been on the books for a long time. For instance, in my progressive state they have a law (last time I checked) for no jail time until the sixth conviction for burglary. The sixth conviction sentence is not double jeopardy.

8 U.S. Code § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Richard T]

8. U.S. Code 1326 specifies sentences depending on previous convictions. It is not double jeopardy, such laws have been on the books for a long time. For instance, in my progressive state they have a law (last time I checked) for no jail time until the sixth conviction for burglary. The sixth conviction sentence is not double jeopardy.

8 U.S. Code § 1326 - Reentry of removed aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

Yes, it is fine for heavier sentencing for prior offenses. However, if the officials are linking it to the deaths that is double jeopardy in spirit. That is exactly what happened to OJ. The courts failed once but given another chance they stuck it to him albeit on different charges. This is bait and switch in criminal prosecution and sentencing in some cases. Al Capone was similar.
"He was sentenced to 11 years behind bars and fined $50,000; it was the harshest sentence delivered for tax fraud up to that point." Harshest sentence ever because they failed on other charges so they stuck it to him.? I have no love lost for Simpson or Capone or even this illegal immigrant but I do not like politics to push for an outcome. The left did this with the cops who kneed George Floyd.

 

[Say it aint so]

Off topic.

The source is the reference of the topic.

 

[DaisyDay]

Again. Let @Fantine speak for herself.

Let @Fantine speak for herself. I still wait for her response.

No one has stopped her from speaking. What is this harassment really about?

 

[iluvatar5150]

The major media plays down violence by transgenders and illegals and gives little time to the trafficked women and children the Biden administration lost track of. Victims continue to suffer and deserve our empathy and attention. "There but for the grace of God go I."

If you're so concerned about women being trafficked, feel free to chime in on the Andrew Tate thread from a couple months ago:

Trump Administration Pressures Romania to Lift Restrictions on Tate Brothers

https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27 The Trump administration has pressured Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest. Andrew...

www.christianforums.com

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No one has stopped her from speaking. What is this harassment really about?

There is no need for false accusations.

 

[DaisyDay]

There is no need for false accusations.

Exactly. Stop it.

 

[Fantine]

My answer to you is in Post #26.
I have been shown stereotypes are wrong enough times so as not to believe them.
I don't carry guns or live in fear.
Being a senior, I lead a prudent--but far from isolated--life. My adult children call me the busiest person they know.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Exactly. Stop it.

Stop what? Being falsely accused of harassment for asking clarifying questions?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Members can reply if they want to.

I have no problem with that.