If booster is useless or worse, what is the point of any of this?

[power1]

That's right. I could say of anyone that I cannot judge their honesty from afar through a YouTube video. That's why I don't rely on such judgements for my epistemology. You apparently do.

Nor would we trust people in the back pocket of big pharma or etc. When a company tries to suppress records for seventy years, rather than let people see what results are, I would not trust them. When media have shown open bias and censorship, they would lose trust. When people ar caught lying or with vested interests, they would lose some trust. When people support abortion fanatically, for many of us, they have no trust to lose. Etc.

Seeing a video or listening to people can also give you a sense of how much they support what your already believe, which will in turn color your perception of their honesty. Those who repeat what you want to hear will appear honest to you. Those who challenge your preconceptions will appear smug and with all sorts of yechiness. To wit:

Some experts make many interviews and videos. It is not just some random youtube thing. Since they may be threatened with firing or other consequences for doing so, that adds some credibility. So it is a lot of factors and boils down to trust.

You can only assume why someone quit their jobs, if indeed they are even telling the truth about quitting their jobs. Check your epistemology.

In some cases if they refuse vaxes they get fired. No big mystery. In other cases they were in industries that gagged them, so they would have been unable to remain there if they spoke truth.

As I explained before, this is circular reasoning. It assumes to be true that which you are trying to prove. It is a fallacy.

False. Blind trust in known liars and media promoted snakes is the fallacy.

That assumes you already know what the truth is.

I do. Jesus is the truth. The folks who are most like Him get a better chance with me. Those pushing child sacrifices, or ridiculous nazi style agendas and such lose trust with me.

Using this criteria to find the truth is circular reasoning. To break out of circular reasoning one must establish an objective standard for how to know truth (a valid epistemology) that is not dependent on knowing that same truth beforehand.

If you do not know the truth beforehand you are easy prey for the liars and cons. Now the real facts regarding the vaccine agenda are not really fully knowmn. The refusal to release records for many decades for example does not help. The history of drug companies injuring people and being involved in mass lawsuits does not help. The dictatorial bias in mainstream news does not help. The fear mongering and bogus stats do not help. The granting of immunity to companies producing the stuff that injures and kills many people does not help. etc etc

 

[power1]

I believe the poster was referencing human behavior. For instance, a person that has made wise decisions in the past is likely to continue doing so and vice versa.

OK

 

[power1]

EX President Trump also said to get vaccinated.

Right. That does not mean everything he ever said was wrong.

 

[power1]

The Right-wing media puts out more unproven facts and opinion pieces than anybody. Conspiracy blogs and sites abound on the right. Very little actual fact-checking. Unless you count "I heard disgruntled employees say what I already believe in my heart so that proves it."

Don't be fooled by the phrase fact checking. The fox cannot guard the hen house.

 

[power1]

Hi @power1



You really need to work on your reading comprehension. You keep posting articles that have titles that you apparently think support your position, but if you bothered to read them at all, you'd see that they don't,... if you're able to understand what you're reading.

God bless,
Ted

The point from the articles was what you missed. Don't blame me. That does not mean I support all the claims and reasons for the action. It just means, in that case, that things are changing now. The old ways seem not to apply any more for travel restrictions etc. In other words, if the new variant is less serious and spreads far faster, no one can really avoid it by vaccines, not travelling etc.

 

[power1]

Hi again @power1

Israel has lifted some 69 countries which were previously banned for Israelis to fly....TO.

Those countries still carry quarantine restrictions when the flyer returns from them, back to Israel. So no, this article isn't saying anything about Israel thinking that the omicron variant isn't dangerous. They just don't think that their vaccinated citizens who fly to these countries are likely to die or need hospitalization while away from home. What the part you quoted is saying is that once omicron is the dominant variation in Isreal, there will be no epidemiological designation to stop people with it from entering the country, because such a ban as keeping people who might have it from coming to Israel will no longer be effective at keeping the omicron variant out.

The inbound travel restrictions were set in place to hopefully keep the covid and its variants from coming into the country, but once they are already in, and are a dominant condition within Israel, then keeping inbound people our, just altogether, will no longer be effective. But they are still requiring covid vaccination proofs and quarantines for all those who aren't vaccinated or haven't produced a negative test result.

It's all about understanding what one is reading that makes news articles valuable to us.

God bless,
Ted

So things are changing. That was the point. Not that some pig headed nations will continue with the agenda or not regardless of anything that happens or changes!

 

[cow451]

Right. That does not mean everything he ever said was wrong.

Just about nearly everything else.

 

[power1]

Just about nearly everything else.

Abortion too? Voting fraud?

 

[rturner76]

Don't be fooled by the phrase fact checking. The fox cannot guard the hen house.

If you can verify the source, you can pretty much check their fact-checking. It's when people say something and you have no way of verifying the information, it would not be trustworthy.

What I've noticed id you seem to find a blog or web video that agrees with what you already feel in your heart and you call it facts. No verification or raw data. Unvaccinated people are filling up the ICUs and it's not right.

 

[power1]

If you can verify the source, you can pretty much check their fact-checking. It's when people say something and you have no way of verifying the information, it would not be trustworthy.

What I've noticed id you seem to find a blog or web video that agrees with what you already feel in your heart and you call it facts. No verification or raw data. Unvaccinated people are filling up the ICUs and it's not right.

Where? The opposite is true in some places. The latest variant I think started the the unvaxxed! Should we check that the records won't be released of vaccine issues for many many decades? You doubt that? Also, if a so called fact checker is the same outfit that censors dissenting opinions who would trust that!?

 

[cow451]

Abortion too? Voting fraud?

Yes.

 

[power1]

Yes.

I don't concur

 

[cow451]

I don't concur

Your errors are noted.

 

[rturner76]

Where? The opposite is true in some places. The latest variant I think started the the unvaxxed! Should we check that the records won't be released of vaccine issues for many many decades? You doubt that? Also, if a so called fact checker is the same outfit that censors dissenting opinions who would trust that!?

Can you show me one place where the vaccinated are taking up more beds than the unvaccinated? Probably not. How do you know what censors are doing what? I mean besides your gut feeling? Can you show me where fact-checked facts are actually proven wrong? Doubt it.

 

[power1]

Your errors are noted.

Your use of the word errors is noted

 

[cow451]

Your use of the word errors is noted

You are still wrong.

 

[power1]

Can you show me one place where the vaccinated are taking up more beds than the unvaccinated?

Some almost totally vaccinated countries do get some of the highest sick numbers. Why is that?
Israel, Widely Vaccinated, Suffers Another Covid-19 Surge

Passengers positive for COVID on cruise billed as 'fully vaccinated'

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/new...h-covid-cases-in-vaccinated-team-members.html

etc etc etc etc. Then apparently the omricon thing started with vaxxed people.

Probably not. How do you know what censors are doing what?

No big secret what they censor.

I mean besides your gut feeling? Can you show me where fact-checked facts are actually proven wrong? Doubt it.

Well many people question fact checkers

The political “fact-checking” industry has become a power center exercising increasing control over public discourse. Yet fact-checking organizations’ claims of being accurate and impartial have often not been substantiated. Observers across the political spectrum have acknowledged that the “fact-checking” process is non-scientific and incorporates substantial reviewer bias. Systematic reviews have demonstrated severe ideological skew with little evidence of impartiality or factual integrity. Recommendations are made from published sources for reform of the “fact-checking” industry to facilitate fairness and accuracy and curtail politically-motivated censorship.

https://www.resistance.org/fact-checking-fraud

Can't say I blame them

New study finds vaccines make omicron infection MORE likely

 

[power1]

You are still wrong.

In your opinion

 

[expos4ever]

Some almost totally vaccinated countries do get some of the highest sick numbers. Why is that?

Because there are many factors besides vaccinations that determine the number of people who get infected.

Here is a fact: Unvaccinated people are more likely to require hospitalization than vaccinated people.

Much more likely.

 

[cow451]

In your opinion

Which is the best opinion.