If booster is useless or worse, what is the point of any of this?

[ThisIsMe123]

I might ask you the same. Should we go with only what twitter does not censor? Let's face it there are wildly different sources out there. CNN and the mainstream news have been shown to be pathetically bias and worthless as far as I am concerned.

I don't use them as sources, I use sources from the medical and scientific community. IE - New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), National Library of Medican, etc. The list goes on.

 

[power1]

I don't use them as sources, I use sources from the medical and scientific community. IE - New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), National Library of Medican, etc. The list goes on.

Great. There are lots of sources. I also like to hear from people with boots on the ground, as well as various medical professionals. You can hear a lot of them on various news sites. I have also seen where stats are including people who died of covid, or possibly related to covid, or if they tested for the virus all included in stats. So wherever such stats are found they are bunk. Let's hope your sources are better than that. We also have no proper system in place to record deaths and serious side effects from the vaccine that I have heard of.

 

[rturner76]

I also like to hear from people with boots on the ground, as well as various medical professionals. You can hear a lot of them on various news sites.

Can you divulge one or two of the various professionals or various news sites you use? I'm looking for a couple of names of "professionals" you trust and a news source you trust.

Knowing that would help me understand where you are coming from and where you sre getting yout information.

Beware of random youtube videos and blogs.

 

[rturner76]

The first step is to reject mainstream media. The we can start getting objective and hearing from experts that warn about the situation.

What experts? What makes them an expert? What media do you trust?

 

[power1]

Can you divulge one or two of the various professionals or various news sites you use? I'm looking for a couple of names of "professionals" you trust and a news source you trust.

Knowing that would help me understand where you are coming from and where you sre getting yout information.

Beware of random youtube videos and blogs.

150 studies show masks ineffective, harmful
Nurses report 'overwhelming' number of heart attacks, clotting in vaccinated patients

There are plenty of places we can see testimonies of experts speak themselves, so not news source needed. There are also many alternative news sources.

 

[HARK!]

WHere do you get your "information" from? Do you look for sources that agree with how you already feel or do you look for objective sources?

According to this Left biased watchdog...:

LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See more Left-Center sources.

• Overall, we rate the Times of Israel Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/

...this is a highly factual Left leaning source.

I'm skeptical of Left leaning watchdogs and sources. I'm also skeptical of this vaccine. I'm also skeptical of gathering at Christmas superspreader events.

I've taken this Shabbat for studying scripture, prayer, time with my CF family, Yahshua, and our heavenly father.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Shavua tov Hark

 

[coffee4u]

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No country can boost its way out of the pandemic,” said the World Health Organization’s Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus Wednesday.

“Blanket booster programs are likely to prolong the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than ending it, by diverting supply to countries that already have high levels of vaccination coverage, giving the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate.”

Nor should a third dose of vaccine be seen as carte blanche, he added. “Boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with planned celebrations.”

WHO warns booster campaigns prolonging pandemic

So neither shots nor boosters are an 'excuse' to enjoy gatherings..or seemingly anything else at all!

I've had my two but I won't be getting the booster.

 

[High Fidelity]

They say tens of millions will die of starvation as a result of the lockdowns and etc. Should you have locked down and let them die? Many possibly millions have suffered death or severe problems as side effects of the vaccine.

You are living in another universe, my friend.

 

[power1]

I've had my two but I won't be getting the booster.

Don't blame you at all.

 

[power1]

You are living in another universe, my friend.

Flattery will get you nowhere

 

[rturner76]

150 studies show masks ineffective, harmful
Nurses report 'overwhelming' number of heart attacks, clotting in vaccinated patients

This "alternative news source" seems to be posting "alternative reality."
Is this news source reliable because it says what you want it to say? If "mainstream media" is so corrupt, how honest do you think this source is?

Especially with articles titled:
The one and only thing that can stop the Marxist revolution currently engulfing America

Are you saying you are unable to see the bias this source is? You would trust this website over the world Health Organization.


Actually, I'm quite relieved. I thought people were finding credible studies that show how dangerous or ineffective the vaccines are. Turnes out its just low-budget right-wing propaganda in my view.

 

[rturner76]

According to this Left biased watchdog...:

LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See more Left-Center sources.

• Overall, we rate the Times of Israel Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/

...this is a highly factual Left leaning source.

I'm skeptical of Left leaning watchdogs and sources. I'm also skeptical of this vaccine. I'm also skeptical of gathering at Christmas superspreader events.

I've taken this Shabbat for studying scripture, prayer, time with my CF family, Yahshua, and our heavenly father.

I can see a left-leaning bias in terms of highlighting issues and stories that left-wing people care about. The thing that is important relating to my comment is that even though the viewpoint is left-leaning, the information is factual.

Not so much with many of these conspiracies and right-wing online news sources.

 

[power1]

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Whether liars get bigger budgets should not be the issue. I might add that most of the major voices (Biden etc) that I have heard pulpit pounding the vaccine agenda also represent deep and outright evils such as abortion.

 

[rturner76]

Whether liars get bigger budgets should not be the issue. I might add that most of the major voices (Biden etc) that I have heard pulpit pounding the vaccine agenda also represent deep and outright evils such as abortion.

I don't know how somebody represents abortion but I' surely not telling you where to get your news.

Getting news is one thing. Doing research is another. Research isn't just wading through news channels and websites. Peer-reviewed studies have all of the information about how they tested the theory, what measurements they used, the results of everything, and who performed the testing.

All of that must be analyzed and approved by experts in the same field. That is when something is considered scientifically proven.

When you get information from any news source mainstream or alternative, you still have to check the sources they cite. See what the source has to say and where they got their information. You want verifiable data.

 

[power1]

I don't know how somebody represents abortion but I' surely not telling you where to get your news.

When they push the killing of babies they represent a bad position.

Getting news is one thing. Doing research is another. Research isn't just wading through news channels and websites. Peer-reviewed studies have all of the information about how they tested the theory, what measurements they used, the results of everything, and who performed the testing.

So have you any research that shows how various jurisdictions come up with death stats? Here is one jurisdiction where that seems to be clear.

"“Anytime, in Quebec, someone dies from cancer or another disease, if they have COVID-19 it will be counted as COVID-19,” Arruda was quoted as saying"
Quebec's Covid death counts include those who did not die from it

All of that must be analyzed and approved by experts in the same field. That is when something is considered scientifically proven.

False. Because some experts have quit and started revealing what went on. Why would we choose your preferred experts? You do realize experts can withhold certain info?

When you get information from any news source mainstream or alternative, you still have to check the sources they cite.

Often one can simply look at them talking themselves and listen. Usually studies and other sources are cited also. What, did you think we would believe a facebook factcheck or something?

See what the source has to say and where they got their information. You want verifiable data.

No such thing. There has not been a clear process to report all deaths and effects of the vaccines for example. What are we supposed to 'check'? The stats that are avail are a joke regarding covid deaths, so we can't check them. It has morphed more into who we believe.

 

[rturner76]

False. Because some experts have quit and started revealing what went on. Why would we choose your preferred experts? You do realize experts can withhold certain info?

Those are the ones who hated their job or got fired likely. I'll go with the consensus rather than the disgruntled employee.

Often one can simply look at them talking themselves and listen. Usually studies and other sources are cited also. What, did you think we would believe a facebook factcheck or something?

You could look at me talking all day. It doesn't mean what I say is true.

No such thing. There has not been a clear process to report all deaths and effects of the vaccines for example. What are we supposed to 'check'? The stats that are avail are a joke regarding covid deaths, so we can't check them. It has morphed more into who we believe.

It's better to go with the most amount of experts. Not the one expert that goes the other way. Verifiable data.

 

[miamited]

Hi @power1

COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

You did read that article, right? 'Could', 'maybe', 'might'. These are all suppositions of what could happen. I didn't read a single fact that explained that such things have happened anywhere and yet we are 1.5 years into this. How long is this starvation going to take? And a according to the man that they're quoting from, he already said, before covid even reared its ugly head, that 2020 was going to be a very bad year for hunger and famine. So, gloom and doom all you like, there's nothing in this article but suppositions of what 'could' happen because of the supply and labor shortages.

Your other link says that 11 people are 'likely' dying of hunger and malnutrition each minute. Ok, and that's certainly terrible and avoidable, but how many people actually died each minute from the same causes in 2019? Just giving some terrible sounding number doesn't do any good unless there's a comparison to show how much worse it is than it was. Then it goes on to say that 20 million more this year are in 'crisis levels of food insecurity' and clearly states that the suspected cause is war and conflict. Then it allows that both covid and climate crisis may also be contributing to the increase. Nothing really solid is any of that. Do you even read these links you post?

A new Oxfam report today says that as many as 11 people are likely dying of hunger and malnutrition each minute.

Overall, 155 million people around the world are now living in crisis levels of food insecurity or worse – that is 20 million more than last year. Around two out of every three of these people are going hungry primarily because their country is in war and conflict.

WFP Chief warns of grave dangers of economic impact of Coronavirus as millions are pushed further into hunger | World Food Programme

This allows that the Coronavirus is pushing millions further into hunger. Not the vaccines. Yes, I don't doubt that the Coronavirus is making life tough all over the world, but that's exactly why we need the vaccines.

Look, I'm sorry. And I know that you are passionate about what you believe and that you passionately believe that what you believe is the truth of the reality that is going on outside your window...but I contend that you're wrong.

Yes, studies show that the vaccines do lose some effectiveness over time. Why did you think they were pushing the booster program? You do pay attention to the national news, don't you? They have for ages been saying that the vaccines reduce in effectiveness over time and so we, therefore, need booster shots. That's why the whole booster program came about. So I really don't know why you think this is some earth shattering news that no one seems to be aware of.

Look, as I said, you're free to believe what your mind has convinced you is the truth. I don't deny any of the reports that you've posted as links, but I do deny that any of them lay the blame for any of the terrible consequences that they report on the vaccines. No!! They all lay the blame on the Coronavirus and that's why everyone wants to do what they can to get rid of the Coronavirus, or at least get it under control.

God bless and Merry Christmas,
Ted

 

[power1]

Those are the ones who hated their job or got fired likely. I'll go with the consensus rather than the disgruntled employee.

Or that had a conscience and some guts!

You could look at me talking all day. It doesn't mean what I say is true.

If you were a top doctor with scores of published papers, or an executive of a vaccine drug company and seemed sincere, you might have some credibility.

It's better to go with the most amount of experts. Not the one expert that goes the other way. Verifiable data.

How about the Nazis? They went along. Does that make them right? Maybe some of them should have grown a pair also?

 

[HARK!]

Do you look for sources that agree with how you already feel or do you look for objective sources?

I can see a left-leaning bias in terms of highlighting issues and stories that left-wing people care about. The thing that is important relating to my comment is that even though the viewpoint is left-leaning, the information is factual.

So now that you know the Left leaning source of the purported "factual" information posted in the OP; are you still concerned as to whether or not it is objective; or are you looking for a source which agrees with how you already feel?