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If All Good Things Come From God, Where Do Bad Things Come From?

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From James 1, it would appear that anything good that happens to us is attributed to God. What about the bad? If the 'bad' comes directly from God, the question is why? I do not think the explanations of chastisement/punishment or personal growth are sufficient. If it does not come from God, then where does it come from? Why would God send the 'good' but not prevent the 'bad'?

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From James 1, it would appear that anything good that happens to us is attributed to God. What about the bad? If the 'bad' comes directly from God, the question is why? I do not think the explanations of chastisement/punishment or personal growth are sufficient. If it does not come from God, then where does it come from? Why would God send the 'good' but not prevent the 'bad'?

Thanks for any response.
Are you asking why our lives are not all rainbows and unicorns? Why God does not make our lives perfect? The answer to that is because of sin. We choose to sin so we choose to suffer. God just simply let us make our own beds and now we have to lay in it.

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Are you asking why our lives are not all rainbows and unicorns? Why God does not make our lives perfect? The answer to that is because of sin. We choose to sin so we choose to suffer. God just simply let us make our own beds and now we have to lay in it.

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This is pretty much it. What you see as bad may not necessarily be bad.
 
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Are you asking why our lives are not all rainbows and unicorns? Why God does not make our lives perfect? The answer to that is because of sin. We choose to sin so we choose to suffer. God just simply let us make our own beds and now we have to lay in it.

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That's certainly part of it... the other part is free will. Because of sin, men have the right to choose evil for themselves and against others. I believe that God does everything in His power to prevent bad things from happening to the extent He can but even God cannot over rule men's free will. Thankfully, God can work all things for His Glory, so even if bad things happen to us, if we have faith and trust, He will bless us... either in this world or for sure in the next.
 
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But what about earthquakes, cancer, or even a little cold? If we are only getting what we deserve - why does God send anything good? Mercy, right? But why then does send only some unmerited good and not prevent any suffering?

To give a little background, I feel that my life is very good, something I absolutely do not deserve. When I go to thank God for what I have, I began to wonder - why would God send me something good and not someone who is far more righteous than I? Why would God help me in my job but not miraculously secure the release of those imprisoned for ministry activities as He did in Acts? The same can apply to any prayer believed to be answered - why would God 'soften' the heart of a fleeing husband, but not the heart of an Islamic extremists butchering those of other faiths? So, I began to wonder, do good things actually come from God or does life on this Earth operate without any intervention from the divine, with the promise of things being made in the end?

That is when I arrived at the passage in James, but this raised more questions. Why would God send 'good' to me or even to those who outright reject Him, but not to some of the most faithful or righteous? If God sends the good, who sends the bad?

To me honest, the more I try and seek God, it seems like the more my 'traditional' beliefs fall apart. I know they are not popular ideas, but honestly, the only things that make sense right now are some form of deism or dualism. The idea that a God of love, mercy, justice, and yes, righteousness and holiness, micromanages this world, is just something I am really struggling to hold onto.
 
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That's certainly part of it... the other part is free will. Because of sin, men have the right to choose evil for themselves and against others. I believe that God does everything in His power to prevent bad things from happening to the extent He can but even God cannot over rule men's free will. Thankfully, God can work all things for His Glory, so even if bad things happen to us, if we have faith and trust, He will bless us... either in this world or for sure in the next.
Sounds more like "bad will".
 
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But what about earthquakes, cancer, or even a little cold? If we are only getting what we deserve - why does God send anything good? Mercy, right? But why then does send only some unmerited good and not prevent any suffering?

To give a little background, I feel that my life is very good, something I absolutely do not deserve. When I go to thank God for what I have, I began to wonder - why would God send me something good and not someone who is far more righteous than I? Why would God help me in my job but not miraculously secure the release of those imprisoned for ministry activities as He did in Acts? The same can apply to any prayer believed to be answered - why would God 'soften' the heart of a fleeing husband, but not the heart of an Islamic extremists butchering those of other faiths? So, I began to wonder, do good things actually come from God or does life on this Earth operate without any intervention from the divine, with the promise of things being made in the end?

That is when I arrived at the passage in James, but this raised more questions. Why would God send 'good' to me or even to those who outright reject Him, but not to some of the most faithful or righteous? If God sends the good, who sends the bad?

To me honest, the more I try and seek God, it seems like the more my 'traditional' beliefs fall apart. I know they are not popular ideas, but honestly, the only things that make sense right now are some form of deism or dualism. The idea that a God of love, mercy, justice, and yes, righteousness and holiness, micromanages this world, is just something I am really struggling to hold onto.
Rain also falls on the crops of the wicked.
A certain amount of providence is necessary for civilisation.
 
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I won't say the others are wrong. There is more to it.

Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head. The Greater Church is a Bride for Christ. The Church turns God's head.

Christ is to man as man is to woman. (1 Corinthians 11:3) God's Love is Patriarchal. He is a Father and we are his children, or he is like a coach on a sports team that never goes away. How do you turn God? (Isaiah 45:7)

Someone is fighting against the Patriarchy? They are fighting against God. Someone was fighting against The Man in the 1960's? (1 Timothy 2:5) They were fighting against God. Were does that leave us today?

God has a plan. His plan is The Kingdom of God, and Every Knee Shall Bow Every Tongue Confess. God has a long memory. God will not be mocked. God's justice is perfect. Bad things may happen.

Part of being a man, and learning who God is, and Growing in Faith, is undergoing trials to learn how to lean on God in James 1. Joyfully endure trials.
 
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well, sin and the Devil - Satan.

Why would God want to ruin his creation. Satan only comes to steal, kill and destroy, so there's your answer. Good things from above, from God, bad things from below, Satan. In a nutshell. Thats why there's such a thing as hell.
 
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But what about earthquakes, cancer, or even a little cold? If we are only getting what we deserve - why does God send anything good? Mercy, right? But why then does send only some unmerited good and not prevent any suffering?

To give a little background, I feel that my life is very good, something I absolutely do not deserve. When I go to thank God for what I have, I began to wonder - why would God send me something good and not someone who is far more righteous than I? Why would God help me in my job but not miraculously secure the release of those imprisoned for ministry activities as He did in Acts? The same can apply to any prayer believed to be answered - why would God 'soften' the heart of a fleeing husband, but not the heart of an Islamic extremists butchering those of other faiths? So, I began to wonder, do good things actually come from God or does life on this Earth operate without any intervention from the divine, with the promise of things being made in the end?

That is when I arrived at the passage in James, but this raised more questions. Why would God send 'good' to me or even to those who outright reject Him, but not to some of the most faithful or righteous? If God sends the good, who sends the bad?

To me honest, the more I try and seek God, it seems like the more my 'traditional' beliefs fall apart. I know they are not popular ideas, but honestly, the only things that make sense right now are some form of deism or dualism. The idea that a God of love, mercy, justice, and yes, righteousness and holiness, micromanages this world, is just something I am really struggling to hold onto.

You are asking a lot of different question with this one post, but I will see what I can do:

  1. “…why would God send me something good and not someone who is far more righteous than I?” You may not understand what is “good” and “bad”. “The more you have been given the greater responsibility you have” and there are tons of opportunities (hurting people) for you to serve. When you share in the hurts of others (and there is a lot of hurt happening) you experience how messed up this world is and your part in ceasing those opportunities to help others. This world is not to be heaven on earth, but a place for us to fulfill our objective.

  2. “…what about earthquakes, cancer, or even a little cold?” Look at John 9: 1-7 and the man born blind. Christ tells us it is not “sin” and Christ does not give as the reason: Adam and Eve, bad luck, free will, satan in the world or random acts. The reason this person was born blind is to provide the opportunity to experience, give, receive, show, see and grow Godly type Love (all this brings glory to God who is Love). The same reason the person was born blind is the reason why any and all tragedies happen (unfortunately good people do not cease all these opportunities to bring glory to God).

  3. “If we are only getting what we deserve - why does God send anything good?” We are not “getting” what we deserve, since a “cold” is not the punishment for sin. This world is not in a huge mess because of the sins we did, but to help willing individuals fulfill their earthly objective. Going back to Adam and Eve before sinning and you have a lousy (impossible) situation for humans to fulfill their earthly object while after leaving the garden there is a much better situation. Answer me this: “would you prefer to be in a place where your eternal close relationship with God was dependent on your personal ability to obey God (the Garden) or in a place where your eternal close relationship with God is dependent on your humbly accepting God’s pure charity/Love (forgiveness).

  4. “…why then does send only some unmerited good and not prevent any suffering?” I can only speak for myself and unfortunately I need lots of tragedies close by and all around me to get off the couch and let God work through me. This helping others grows the Godly type Love I do have and allows Christ to work through me; helping others in wonderful ways (I can actually share in God’s glory by just being there).

  5. “…why would God 'soften' the heart of a fleeing husband, but not the heart of an Islamic extremists butchering those of other faiths?” The same actions can soften the hearts of some and harden the hearts of others, but that is not God’s fault. People have to allow the world around them to soften their hearts. Look at “the rich man and Lazarus” story (Luke 16:19-31) because there are lots of Lazarus’ in this world. The rich man tripping over Lazarus each day as he left the house provided the best opportunity for the rich man to have his heart softened, but instead he probably cursed the fact each day Lazarus was on his steps.
 
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But what about earthquakes, cancer, or even a little cold? If we are only getting what we deserve - why does God send anything good? Mercy, right? But why then does send only some unmerited good and not prevent any suffering?

To give a little background, I feel that my life is very good, something I absolutely do not deserve. When I go to thank God for what I have, I began to wonder - why would God send me something good and not someone who is far more righteous than I? Why would God help me in my job but not miraculously secure the release of those imprisoned for ministry activities as He did in Acts? The same can apply to any prayer believed to be answered - why would God 'soften' the heart of a fleeing husband, but not the heart of an Islamic extremists butchering those of other faiths? So, I began to wonder, do good things actually come from God or does life on this Earth operate without any intervention from the divine, with the promise of things being made in the end?

That is when I arrived at the passage in James, but this raised more questions. Why would God send 'good' to me or even to those who outright reject Him, but not to some of the most faithful or righteous? If God sends the good, who sends the bad?

To me honest, the more I try and seek God, it seems like the more my 'traditional' beliefs fall apart. I know they are not popular ideas, but honestly, the only things that make sense right now are some form of deism or dualism. The idea that a God of love, mercy, justice, and yes, righteousness and holiness, micromanages this world, is just something I am really struggling to hold onto.
Are you thanking Jesus who suffered on our behalf or are you just talking about a generic god that is not your heavenly Father.

Christians know God as our Father, we have a relationship as children to Him. A Father loves his children, its thats simple.

God does miracles on His timing. Sometimes we dont know when and we cant compare ourselves with others. We cant say we are more righteous or less righteous when the only righteousness we have is from Jesus.
 
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well, sin and the Devil - Satan.

Why would God want to ruin his creation. Satan only comes to steal, kill and destroy, so there's your answer. Good things from above, from God, bad things from below, Satan. In a nutshell. Thats why there's such a thing as hell.

Satan is just a liar. He gets man into trouble. God's Anger is slow.


I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)
 
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The bad comes from the devil.

And where people screw this up is they think the devil has power. No. The evil comes from the devil because the devil uses our power to reap death upon ourselves using God's good law to do it.

So he lies and he is a hot wind bag. Now, certainly the devil had power when Adam fell. The devil in Job could go to God's very throne and certainly God does not want the devil in heaven, God wants the devil burning in fire for eternity. So then, God could not stop the devil from going into heaven. (This is revelation by God's character, if you don't know God's character, the revelation is hidden. To prove it from scripture is a small book, so I will forgo that.)

The devil held Adam's position in heaven, like a throne or spot for the high priest, which was designated to Adam but he lost that status with his rebellion. Satan took that position over and then exercised Adam's authority, but the authority to bring evil was never God's will to give to satan. That authority first rested with Adam, and Adam was to not yield to it, and be obedient to God. Christ reclaimed this authority when he judged satan, "For now is the judgement of this world, that it's ruler might be cast out." [paraphrasing]

So evil comes from the devil, it's really straight forward, John 10:10.

And all that God's law is, is cutting ourselves out of his blessings by turning away from him. "Oh God, why have you forsaken me?" - This is a picture of God's righteous judgement on the cross. To be judged and condemned is when God cuts you off completely from his provision. When God closes the faucet, you are judged because all good things are from God, when you have nothing good from God, you have nothing good.
 
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To me honest, the more I try and seek God, it seems like the more my 'traditional' beliefs fall apart. I know they are not popular ideas, but honestly, the only things that make sense right now are some form of deism or dualism. The idea that a God of love, mercy, justice, and yes, righteousness and holiness, micromanages this world, is just something I am really struggling to hold onto.
If you really want to be "honest" you should get the truth from scripture and not some college 101 class on humanities and the atheist logic that "disproves" God. You stumble on their argument that if God is all powerful and all loving, why is there evil in the world.

If you have faith that believes God created this vast world out of nothing, if you can recognize the vastness of how intricate the intelligent design of this world is, than you should understand that with the all powerful and the all knowing qualities of God there is also unmatched and unquestionable wisdom in God.

Read Romans 9 to learn what scripture says of God's sovereign choice, but these are my favorites.
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory

My take on this. God created this world that we may learn of his goodness, love and mercy.
Can't have good without bad.
Can't have love without hate.
Can't have mercy without offense.

Study how scripture describes the next age and compare it to creation and what came shortly after. The next age is the one you seek where there is no Satan tempting us, and so there is no sin; there is no poverty or sickness and we will live forever. It will be perfect, so much different than this age. The point being that those who will live in the next perfect age will be those that acknowledge, desire and follow the truth in God and his plan in this age.
 
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Are you asking why our lives are not all rainbows and unicorns? Why God does not make our lives perfect? The answer to that is because of sin. We choose to sin so we choose to suffer. God just simply let us make our own beds and now we have to lay in it.

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I'll just add to that sin, not only our own sin, but the sins of others that affect us.
 
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The devil held Adam's position in heaven, like a throne or spot for the high priest, which was designated to Adam but he lost that status with his rebellion. Satan took that position over and then exercised Adam's authority, but the authority to bring evil was never God's will to give to satan. That authority first rested with Adam, and Adam was to not yield to it, and be obedient to God.
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Christ reclaimed this authority when he judged satan,

No, Christ never lost authority.

Christ reigned over sin and the spiritual death (removal from being reconciled to God) that sin caused. Now, we are reconciled back to God through the forgiveness of sins and justification in Christ.

Satan has been judged, but his punishment is not yet.
 
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From James 1, it would appear that anything good that happens to us is attributed to God. What about the bad? If the 'bad' comes directly from God, the question is why? I do not think the explanations of chastisement/punishment or personal growth are sufficient. If it does not come from God, then where does it come from? Why would God send the 'good' but not prevent the 'bad'?

Thanks for any response.

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)

In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him. (Ecclesiastes 7:14)
 
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From James 1, it would appear that anything good that happens to us is attributed to God. What about the bad? If the 'bad' comes directly from God, the question is why? I do not think the explanations of chastisement/punishment or personal growth are sufficient. If it does not come from God, then where does it come from? Why would God send the 'good' but not prevent the 'bad'?

Thanks for any response.
Here is a more in depth answer that may better explain some things. The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil? Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey. Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, their sin affected those who came after them (us). Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

2) God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.

While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?

3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all. We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences. In this real world of ours, our actions affect others. Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12). There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to repent so that He will not need to condemn them (2 Peter 3:9). Until then, He IS concerned about evil. When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil. Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13). He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the "innocent" (Mark 9:36-42).

In summary, we live in a real world where our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us. God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29). Instead, what happens is that we choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it. Such is the heart of sinful man. But Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17). God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. This world would be MUCH WORSE were not God restraining evil. At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil. Rather than blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!

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No, Christ never lost authority.

I wasn't implying he did lose authority. I was implying Adam lost it, and Christ regained it for all men. Prior to the atonement and the judgement of the world, man had no authority as Christ had it because we were seperated from God.

So for men, the authority was lost, and the authority Christ came into the world with was alien to us.
 
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