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How to deal with rebellious gay teenager?

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I am also aware of CF rules, but I think it is worth pointing out that teenagers are sometimes confused about their sexuality. He may not actually be gay, in other words.

Give him time and he may get past this. Stress about it and he may decide the attention is rather fun, and decide to stay with it.

Yes, I understand, but it's difficult even to talk about this. There are a number of possible situations ranging from a kid who is sexually active as a gay and unwilling to change, to one who is attracted to guys but isn't ready to do anything about it. They have different implications, since most churches consider attraction on its own not to be a problem. And we don't know which came first. Is this a real judgement, which has at least to some extent led to his problems, or a symptom of rebellion. (Let me pick the thing that is mostly likely to upset my parents, whether or not he consciously planned it out that way.)

That's why I said this has to start with assessing what's really going on.
 
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If I had to guess there's a sense of detachment from his parents, no love and certainly no closeness. It starts with a sense of feeling isolated from your family, leaving you to come to your own destructive conclusions. Chances are, the idea came from somewhere and took root in the bitterness he's feeling, at least that's how it was for me before the Lord delivered me from it. Try and just giving him a hug, no agenda, no sense of obligation, just give him a hug and tell him you love him. It'll do wonders.
 
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Wow. The "advice" in this thread certainly runs the gambit in terms of form and substance.

Ma'am, I don't have any real advice for you. I do have a story.


One of my best friends in my late teens was a young man named Glen. Glen was the sort of person who would give you the shirt off of his back, buy you dinner, put gas in your car, then ask if there was anything he could do for you. He was a very giving person. He was also an amazing singer, a talented artist, a fantastic musician and a theatrical actor/dancer.

He was also homosexual.

He never once hit on me. In fact, he was far more respectful of me than some of my other friends were. I watched him blow his stack at a "friend" who blamed me for his unhappiness.


Glen came from a Christian family. They attended an Assembly of God church, and he went to youth group. He was devout, a member of the worship team, and is, to this day, one of the most intelligent Bible scholars I know. However, he also suffered from a pretty nasty event in his past that few knew about. Without details, he was abused; when he attempted to make this known, no one believed him.

As he became a teenager, he found himself more and more drawn to men. When he went to his youth group leader, hoping for advice and some help, he was shut down. The man told him to leave the youth group immediately, because he would not have "a pervert and deviant around his kids." He added Glen was free to come back when he "decided to grow up."

Let me skip back to the time he was yelling at his friend.

At the end of his tirade, he made this comment, "as far as any of you are concerned, this is my sexless boyfriend- You don't touch him, you don't say boo to him- You do nothing unless you can be decent." Needless to say, I thought for sure I'd made a mistake somewhere. I thought I'd been clear that I saw him as a friend, but now it seemed that wasn't as clear as it should have been.

When I talked to him later, this is what he said. "I love the relationships that I have, but I hate the sex, because it makes me feel used. Everything that's good in a relationship disappears once sex is brought into it. You on the other hand- You just love me, and you don't demand anything from me. You take me how I am, but you're always telling me I can be better. You actually believe in me and encourage me to become a better person. I think if that [expletive] pastor had done the same thing, I wouldn't have struggled this long. I think you're showing me Jesus."

Needless to say, I was shocked. I was a backslidden Christian at the time- My life was hardly something one might consider righteous. Yet here was this broken young man, in tears, telling me he saw Jesus in me. He cried the rest of that night, alternating between sleeping and waking- And I just couldn't move from my chair.

Even though I wasn't following Him, God used this event to open my eyes to the fact that He works in ways I cannot understand or imagine. He also used it to prove to me that He never left me.


Looking back, I know that if I had been a consistent church goer, and attending the church I was earlier, Glen would not have been anywhere near as open. Because I was not perfect, and did not present myself as having it all together, God was able to use me in my fallen state to reach a young man He loved very much.




Sometimes I think the best thing anyone could ever do for people like this is to simply sit down and talk. No judgment, no condemnation, no preconceived ideas; simply talk.

If anything about this story helped you, I'm happy. If not- That's all right. God bless, and I will be praying.
 
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Try and just giving him a hug, no agenda, no sense of obligation, just give him a hug and tell him you love him. It'll do wonders.

Excellent advice, appropriate for every parent and every child, every day.

Lovely. :)
 
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"Remove the lock on his door and put it on the outside of the door instead of the inside. This is your house, and he is not allowed to lock "his parents" out of his room. I have even gone so far as to remove the door and store it in the garage."
"This is perfect advice for anyone who wants to alienate their child completely, and guarantee that when that child leaves home, they will never see him again.

If that is what you want, then follow this to the letter.
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Well this post certainly struck me pretty hard in this string.

I had to deal with rebellious teenagers. Three of them at once no less. Two step children and my own son. Each one was a UNIQUE individual but at the same time "feeding off" one another in their rebellion.

Let me START by saying my own son as an adult has come back to me and told me that he is grateful for the way I raised him. Had I not done things exactly the way I did them he would have gone headlong all the way over the cliff never to return and he would never had been able to accept Christ as his savior.
He THANKED me for the way I raised him. He said he was GRATEFUL for all the "bad" things in his life,even the "harsh stepfather" and the "abandoning natural father".

Both my step kids love and respect me.I was the "equalizer" in their life. I never showed an ounce of favoritism.Each one was dealt with based on their individual personalities and individual needs at the time. They understand that as adults, respect what I did with them and emulate that in their own lives now.

My youngest daughter "never left" and told me that she watched everything, saw everything I went through, counted every tear the others caused me and it made her resist all the harder from doing any of the things she saw them do that made me cry. Individuals, each and every one of them. All acting and reacting to their environment from that individual perspective.

I did not remove the door to his bedroom but I sure did put alarms on the OUTSIDE of the window and doors to alert me to teenagers trying to sneak out in the middle of the night once we as parents went to sleep. I sure did refuse to allow them to have any "technological device" that would aid them in their ungodly activities. I sure did "put them on house arrest" I sure did make them work and pay their own fines when they had done something against the law on top of our own discipline. I sure did tell them I would not tolerate any type of violence in my home and would call the police to haul them away if they raised a hand to me or destroyed my property. And they knew full well I would do exactly what I said too.
The "trick" was never saying anything I didn't mean. Whether it was "good or bad" to them. From tiny on up I made sure that they could "trust" that if it came out of my mouth that is what would happen.
EVEN to the point I put myself in a corner and had to allow something I was dead set against. My son had pested me and pested me that he wanted to get his ear pierced. He pested for a year! I kept telling him NO. One day he came to me and said I will stop pesting you if we can make some kind of deal. What can I do that would make you willing to allow me to get my ear pierced. I told him well if you can get a perfect attendance for the entire school year, not missing a single day, then I will let you get ONE EAR pierced and that is ALL you can get done. After that there can be no more pesting for any other piercings anywhere else. He agreed.
I thought surly he would never make a full school year without missing a day and this would put an end to this whole business. I was having problems with him not wanting to go to school, he had already skipped school and gotten in trouble for this. he was constantly complaining about school and how boring it was.I was constantly being called into school because he was disruptive to the class and could never sit still.
When the last day of school that year came and he proudly walked in with his perfect attendance award I was "stuck" Standing firm on my own "rules" I had to take him the next day to get his ear pierced. I went with a very heavy heart. I told him as much. I was very upset with myself that I had "made such a deal"

Things only became increasingly worse as the three older kids went into teen years. My husband was still not saved, nor the stepkids mom so I was "alone" in many of the things I was standing firm on and it made it FAR more difficult on every level. STILL God is faithful and works all things to the good of those that love Him!

You know every time I told my son "if you do X, Y is going to happen". He would put his hand up to touch that ear ring and it would remind him that indeed what I said would happen is exactly what is going to happen. Yes he "tested" that notion and I was forced to apply the "y" EVERY time. But he said it began to "solidify" in him more and more each time I told him "I love you. It hurts me deeply that you have done "x" and caused yourself and others so much harm by doing so. Because I love you, I MUST enforce "Y". "I cannot say I love you and then allow you to destroy yourself" I would rarely engage them while they were emotional.If I was forced to I remained completely calm while doing so. My son screaming he HATES me because I took his things away and put him in his room was responded to with "That is a lie, I refuse to believe. You love me. You're just angry because I was forced to discipline you for the actions you chose to harm yourself with and no one likes to be disciplined" and I walked away. It stunned him and he went silent. He came to me later and told me that he understood and he was sorry he said he hated me, he didn't mean it, he still loves me. (Amazingly he never told me he hated me again even though I was forced to discipline him MANY more times after that) Still he learned to trust that if I said it, I meant it and it was going to happen.
He learned to trust GOD to be the exact same way because of that. He came right out and told me as much. He told me that he touched that earing every time he read things about God disciplining and refining those He loves because he loves us and wants to protect us until he actually made the decision to accept Christ and traded that earing in for the Holy Spirit.


Not allowing their volatile emotional responses to our discipline affect our actions is key to KEEPING it discipline and not "punishment" or abuse. Indeed it is hard and we need to lean hard on Jesus not to let them "drag us into the mud" with them. We must do EVERYTHING IN LOVE.

We must be sure to love them through their "discipline" and during periods of time when they are responding appropriately we must praise them and let them know how proud we are of them for making good choices. We must make them aware over and over (lest they "forget") just how much we DO love them and care what happens to them an that is WHY we are disciplining them, not because we are angry they aren't doing whatever we want and just bending to our whims. EVERY day I was sure to tell all the children how much I love them EVEN when they were in the worst of their rebellion.
 
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Twaddle. Poppycock. Balderdash.

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Nature (or God if you prefer) has designed teens to rebel, so that they learn to leave the shelter of their parents' lives and strike out on their own. If teens remained the same as 5 year olds then nobody would ever grow up; mountains would not get climbed, continents explored or moons visited; teen rebellion is a natural and wholesome part of human life, not some kind of demonic aberration.

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That is in the Bible? What verse please I'd like to show it to some people I know.

Teen rebellion is not "normal" nor natural. Well, it's normal in our fallen world but it wasn't what God designed or intended. Any act of rebellion is acting out against authority which is entirely different than what God ever intended.

Whether it is demonic in nature we can't know but it's definitely not normal.
 
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Oy. Mrs. Wright, you must be thoroughly confused and maybe even venturing toward despair by this point. As others have stated, the advice has swung from one end of the pole to another. Some advice is worthwhile, and other advice is useless. Trouble is, when we're in the trenches, it's often hard to discern between the two. I'm sorry for your pain and frustration; children can stomp on our hearts. I have 6 kids (three of whom are now adults), and our oldest nearly put us in early graves. We were very, very strict with her, to the point of not explaining ourselves for punishing her (groundings, removing privileges, etc.) but simply reacting to her behavior. We weren't responding, see, but reacting. Two very different things. She has had a really difficult time with life, because she seems unable to set limits on herself - even now that she's an adult. We weren't all that interested in knowing WHY she behaved as she did, but we were very interested in communicating to her that her behavior was wrong. She felt shamed by us. We've since apologized to her, and she's now living with us while working f/t. Our relationship with her is better than we could have hoped and prayed for, but it's because we came to her with humility rather than a hammer. I agree completely that you should be able to set house rules and expect them to be followed, but punitive actions, given your son's state of mind and the fact that he's wrestling with homosexuality, will be counterproductive. I know of what I write. He is desperate to know that you love him, even if he's gay ... ESPECIALLY because he's gay. I guarantee that most of his rebellion is coming out of a feeling of unacceptance and shame. You might consider sitting down with him or taking him out somewhere (neutral ground) and telling him that you love him. Period. No matter how he's behaving, you love him. No matter what he will ever do, you will love him. Love doesn't mean tolerating sinful behavior, but it does mean getting to the heart of it and working out from there. It made me sick to read one poster's comments that homosexuality is caused by "poor parenting from conception." <edit> Read Lew Smedes' view on this. Read Tony Compalo. And talk, talk, talk to your son -- don't ever stop. He needs you. Hugs to you, because I can empathize.
 
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This is perfect advice for anyone who wants to alienate their child completely, and guarantee that when that child leaves home, they will never see him again.

If that is what you want, then follow this to the letter.

My experience and multiple licensed counselors will disagree with you, Catherineanne.

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My middle child seems to be determined to make my life and my husband's completely unbearable. He is rude, disrespectful and we as yet have not found a way to discipline him since he became a teenager.He uses profanity constantly and my husband told me he found pornography on his computer some of it even self made involving himself and another boy. Furthermore he stays out late and pays no attention when we ground him. He has confessed to us that he is a homosexual and that he no longer wishes to be a Christian. His father and I do try to talk to him. We took his computer and most of his technological equipment away as a result of this incident but instead of showing remorse he is more violent and angry towards us. I'm worried his behavior will effect my other children. Honestly I'm waiting for the day he is old enough to move out of our house.

We have brought up all three children as Christians in what we hoped has been a loving and strict home. If any of you have dealt with teenagers maybe you could offer some suggestions.

It's not really a problem. It side-effect for forcing a person to recieve Jesus chist as thier savoir. The real problem is that it can't be forced.
My Nephew might be gay and everything point's out to a high probability that he is gay although he never told me personally that he was gay. He never told me he was a christian either. Since he never told me he was a Christian nor we are required to ask if one is, the reformed are to treat them like everyone else. The reformed allows God to chose whom He chooses and predestines so I let my Nephew be who he wants to be. After all there free to do whatever they want to do.
The saddest part is that my sister, Miss Daisybee is no longer talking to me since I brought up that I'm ok with whatever or whereever her children goes or do. Miss dasiybee had an abortion during her late teens and rejects my wife being her sister in law since I told my wife she had an abortion. With Miss Daisybee's Post traumatic disorder syndrome and POS, she managed to do a good job hiding her past event from her own children. To guarantee that terrible secrecy, Miss Daisybee decided to deny her own sister in law, my wife. Just because I told my wife of her past event. Some sort of chronic mistrust got everyone in trouble. Over the years all sorts of promotions of me and my wife like we're bad folks or stay away from, I discovered, over time, where all the buttons are on my own sister. As a Presbyterian and recently passed a book of order to allow more freedom in ordination, I suggested that I think her own son might be gay even though I strongly believes she knows it well, She decided to deny me as well. I do a good job promoting to allow others to be what they are and not force anything on them, unless it's in harm's way. As of today, I, no longer talk to my sister because, she wants me out of her life so she can guarantee the secrecy among her family and friends. I believe this is an side effect from Post traumatic disorder syndrome and POS and some common results of this syndrome is schizophrenia. Once a person go into denial for a long time, they my enhance thier own Alzheimer like effect. My own father went into dementia and forgot who I was and I worry that my sister is moving more towards that, purposefully. I believe with extreme denial and over time along with the body getting older, such unwanted events happen.
I find that arminians want to believe that if a young person is publicly saved, they will always be Christians when they get older. Things go wrong when families start denying the Word of God, which is, "God does what He does based on His Own Pleasure.

The only choice is to let your children go and pray for them. Once you try to force belief on a person, things can go wrong and get dragged out throughout out life like in mind.
 
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I never could figure out why the multiple quote don't work even though there a Multiple quote reply button.

Why is that?

It does work. Click MQ on each post you want to quote, and a little orange circle appears on the button (it's a toggle). Then click Reply at the bottom.
 
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i wish there was multiple quote on forum...

I never could figure out why the multiple quote don't work even though there a Multiple quote reply button.

Why is that?


It does work- See?

Best guess is that you may need to update your browsers, plugins, or maybe get a new browser all together. I'm using Google Chrome, for example.


To use the Multi-Quote feature, click "MQ" on each post you want to quote. Then, either click the "quote" button on the last post, or "reply" at the bottom of the page. The posts you've selected should be there. (I have noticed one thing about this feature, though- It appears you cannot MQ more than five at a time.) If you're still having problems, I suggest taking the initially suggested steps.
 
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This thread has been cleaned up a little.
Please avoid direct discussion of homosexuality, its causes etc. or we will have to move this.
Also please remember it is an advice thread - no debate!
And maybe the technical discussions could go elsewhere - or to PM. The multiquote works for most people... I think it must be a computer issue rather than a CF one.

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My middle child seems to be determined to make my life and my husband's completely unbearable. He is rude, disrespectful and we as yet have not found a way to discipline him since he became a teenager.He uses profanity constantly and my husband told me he found pornography on his computer some of it even self made involving himself and another boy. Furthermore he stays out late and pays no attention when we ground him. He has confessed to us that he is a homosexual and that he no longer wishes to be a Christian. His father and I do try to talk to him. We took his computer and most of his technological equipment away as a result of this incident but instead of showing remorse he is more violent and angry towards us. I'm worried his behavior will effect my other children. Honestly I'm waiting for the day he is old enough to move out of our house.

We have brought up all three children as Christians in what we hoped has been a loving and strict home. If any of you have dealt with teenagers maybe you could offer some suggestions.
I have raised 3 sons. The youngest is 19 now. I have not experienced anything like you have and my heart goes out to you. I pretty much loved them fiercly. That love looked alot like Lee52's advice and very little like Catherineanne's. I did often pray for three things:
1) That God would work through me and give me the grace and wisdom to raise them as he wanted and that I would reflect his character to my sons.
2) That when I screwed up he would cover for my error and redeem my sins against my sons.
3) That he'd bypass me altogether and work in my sons lives.

God's ability to take sin and turn it to his glory is a Biblical theme I'd love to encourage you with. He can take your son's sins, and yours, and use them to bring about a great work in your family. I encourage you to think about the Cross and how God used the most evil acts ever committed and used them to bring salvation to us all. He can use these horrendous circumstances in your life to bring unforseen good. Keep your hope alive and look to God as your very sure foundation.

Grace to you and yours.
 
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If I had to guess there's a sense of detachment from his parents, no love and certainly no closeness.

I'm not sure that would be the case. since my sister , Miss Daisybee, had an abortion in the late teens, Later she had her first child (or was it her 2nd???) and might have overdone her care for the first child. Let me explain. Years ago, My Father and his second wife went to visit Miss Daisybee in Greenville, Alabama and my father had asked my wife and I to stay at their house and care for their dogs and cat. When my father returned, he told us that Miss Daisybee's first boy child was the sissiest boy he had ever met probably from constant crying all weekend. Quiet a statement ! That boy was around 2-4 years old at the time. That statement was long forgotten until recently I viewed a homemade movie about his partner dressed like a women celebrating another teens birthday. While I was watching the video, I , too, was fooled in thinking that my Nephew's male partner was a woman. The film was probably to demonstrate professional videography but it reminded me of what my father said many years ago. "Sissiest boy" came in my mind and now while my nephew is in his late 30's, he has this youtube video that certainly demonstrated the concept, "Sissy".
I would think that a mother who is too close to her children might produce a sissy environment thoughtout his childhood. Even in his 30's, Miss Daisybee likes to leave a comment on almost every one of His Facebook's post. Perhaps later, if he ever finds a female wife, how will his wife approach his mother being that observant to every detail of his life. I would think being too close after extreme abortion guilt would cause sissy-ness. HIs brother doesn't comment on any of his posts and his other brother is learning to be a doctor and guess what, delivering babies. His sister is into weightlifting and probably the opposite of feminism. Their father teaches Sunday school and probably firm on his beliefs even though he had an affair during my Nephews young days. The father started having heart problems at the same time his son bought a condo with his partner. Might have bothered him.
 
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To the OP (MrsWright) I am a former bisexual and have two teenagers. By no means does that make me an expert on the subject, but I can give you my opinion. I needed someone to listen to me and care about me when I was a teen. I wasn't raised in a Christian home, but my parents were really strict and I hated them. I rebelled every chance I got. If they had taken a real interest in me and tried to reach me where I was at it would have made a difference. Instead I ran away at 18 and became a stripper and drug user. I am not sure that the military school would have worked for me as it would have been one more thing to rebel against.

With my teens I don't always support their choices, but I am loving towards them. I am Christian now so I always am in favor of loving the sinner but hating the sin. I let them know I disagree with some of the things they do, but I never alienate them because of it or allow it to go on under my roof. For example my son is smoking pot and I figured it out and talked to him about it and told him that it is sin, it is against the law and what all the consequences could be yet in the end it was/is his choice. I will never allow it in my home . He knows that. And to be honest he is still smoking pot here and there at friends houses, but he talks to me about it. He knows I respect him and his opinion as much as I disagree.

Wishing you all the best. I hope I have been of some help.
 
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... For example my son is smoking pot and I figured it out and talked to him about it and told him that it is sin, it is against the law and what all the consequences could be yet in the end it was/is his choice.

A Rebel may not see the difference between a bottle of Jack Daniels and a joint. Both might take a person down the wrong path. The consequences of the law might get some in trouble but the sins may be the same as one finishing off a whole apple pie, each day with an dying gland. A lot of things can mean a lot of situations. A divorced minister may be the same as a gay minister. Or same as a minister who fornicates and just not quiet ready for a wedding ceremony.

I believe we all are in trouble just being a sinner. At the end, I believe lessons will be learned and I believe that lesson will show us that we're all just as bad as those that appear to happily stoned with girlfriends and boyfriends.

As the Calvinist view the Bible as only the elects will be saved and the saved must accept God's Will that He might not choose some to be saved.

Not everyone will be the elect.
 
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