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I am having an issue here...
1. The Sabbath Rest, instituted by God in the Old Covenant as a day of rest from all physical labor and toil...except for the ministration of the priests, they still had to perform their daily mandates EVERY day, even on the Sabbath.
2. Christ is said to be the fulfillment of the Law, which includes the Sabbath day of rest.
3. Scripture seems to allude to this rest in Christ being "rest from working for eternal life," which seems ludicrous to me because eternal life was never a promise, nor provided for, in the Old Covenant. The OC Sabbath rest had to do with rest from physical work and toil, not working to please God so they could be saved.
4. So my dilemma is this: where does the Sabbath rest from daily toil and physical labor turn into spiritual rest in Christ from "working for salvation?"
I don't see it, does anyone have insight into this?
Thanks, and blessings to all!
I am having an issue here...
1. The Sabbath Rest, instituted by God in the Old Covenant as a day of rest from all physical labor and toil...except for the ministration of the priests, they still had to perform their daily mandates EVERY day, even on the Sabbath.
2. Christ is said to be the fulfillment of the Law, which includes the Sabbath day of rest.
3. Scripture seems to allude to this rest in Christ being "rest from working for eternal life," which seems ludicrous to me because eternal life was never a promise, nor provided for, in the Old Covenant. The OC Sabbath rest had to do with rest from physical work and toil, not working to please God so they could be saved.
4. So my dilemma is this: where does the Sabbath rest from daily toil and physical labor turn into spiritual rest in Christ from "working for salvation?"
I don't see it, does anyone have insight into this?
Thanks, and blessings to all!
Heb 4:8,9 referred to a rest from the persecution of the judaizers AND a rest frim seekung blessing through the misaic law by adhering to the law of faith.
I am having an issue here...
1. The Sabbath Rest, instituted by God in the Old Covenant as a day of rest from all physical labor and toil...except for the ministration of the priests, they still had to perform their daily mandates EVERY day, even on the Sabbath.
2. Christ is said to be the fulfillment of the Law, which includes the Sabbath day of rest.
3. Scripture seems to allude to this rest in Christ being "rest from working for eternal life," which seems ludicrous to me because eternal life was never a promise, nor provided for, in the Old Covenant. The OC Sabbath rest had to do with rest from physical work and toil, not working to please God so they could be saved.
4. So my dilemma is this: where does the Sabbath rest from daily toil and physical labor turn into spiritual rest in Christ from "working for salvation?"
I don't see it, does anyone have insight into this?
Thanks, and blessings to all!
let's look at the sabbath command:
Exodus 20:8-11 ( NKJV ) 8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
part of the sabbath command is to work.
so, we work doing our hustling and bustling daily toil and then we are to rest on the seventh day, which is God's sabbath.
now, it translates into the spiritual, in that, man as a whole is going to rest from his works - works of the flesh (rom 1:29-31, gal 5:19-21, 1 cor 6:9-10), in the millennium.
so, there is a rest for man that the sabbath points to (heb 4:9).
What is God's rest? God doesn't get tired. Did God return to work after the 7th day? Does Man? Is there a difference? I think so. God didn't take a break from work, He ceased working. Man returns to work after the 7th day.I am having an issue here...
1. The Sabbath Rest, instituted by God in the Old Covenant as a day of rest from all physical labor and toil...except for the ministration of the priests, they still had to perform their daily mandates EVERY day, even on the Sabbath.
2. Christ is said to be the fulfillment of the Law, which includes the Sabbath day of rest.
3. Scripture seems to allude to this rest in Christ being "rest from working for eternal life," which seems ludicrous to me because eternal life was never a promise, nor provided for, in the Old Covenant. The OC Sabbath rest had to do with rest from physical work and toil, not working to please God so they could be saved.
4. So my dilemma is this: where does the Sabbath rest from daily toil and physical labor turn into spiritual rest in Christ from "working for salvation?"
I don't see it, does anyone have insight into this?
Thanks, and blessings to all!
At least you are consistent. I did not see anybody else with this kind of idea. Well maybe one on second thought. I did not see a response to this yet. Is it totally out of the ball park or something?What is God's rest? God doesn't get tired. Did God return to work after the 7th day? Does Man? Is there a difference? I think so. God didn't take a break from work, He ceased working. Man returns to work after the 7th day.
So what is God's rest the Israelites couldn't enter even though they had a rest day every week?
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What is God's rest? God doesn't get tired. Did God return to work after the 7th day? Does Man? Is there a difference? I think so. God didn't take a break from work, He ceased working. Man returns to work after the 7th day.
So what is God's rest the Israelites couldn't enter even though they had a rest day every week?
What is God's rest? God doesn't get tired. Did God return to work after the 7th day? Does Man? Is there a difference? I think so. God didn't take a break from work, He ceased working. Man returns to work after the 7th day.
So what is God's rest the Israelites couldn't enter even though they had a rest day every week?
I know because of the conistency of scripture Colossians 2 is not the only place Paul does this. Now you can say what Paul said is a mistranslation, but the preponderance of the translation evidence says you're wrong. "Substance and "body" are perfectly fine ways to render the passage they both make the point that Christ is the "sabbath". Christ was substance (tangible). This is fully made clear in Hebrews 4. Examine Blue Letter Bible on this point:
ebedmelech,
re: "Paul clearly tells us we are free from keeping days...Clolossians 2:16, 17:"
re: "Romans 14:5,6:"
How do you know that Paul wasn't simply telling the Colossians that they should not let anyone - other than the body of Christ, which is the church - criticize them for HOW they were observing the things mentioned in verse 16?
Paul does not say "the substance belongs to Christ"; this is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the Greek. Paul wrote "but the body of Christ" meaning the church. That is, the church is to be doing the judging not the outside critics who were trying to force their ascetic values onto the church.
How can you absolutely say that Paul wasn't telling the body of believer's to not let anyone judge them because the believers chose to be obedient to scripture by eating what is commanded (not eating swine etc.), and chose to observe the Feasts as commanded in scripture (not the pagan ones), and chose to observed the seventh day Sabbath (not the pagan sun-worship day) as commanded in scripture?
When you read Romans 14 all you need do is think "why is Paul making a big deal about days?". This is a perfect time for the apostle to say you need to worship on the Sabbath, he doesn't say that. Paul has labored all through Romans about the fact that the Law does not save, nor does keeping the Law save. He is now making the point of that because it's the Law that says foods are clean and unclean, and it's the Law that says keep the sabbath. Paul is clearing that up!As for Romans 14:5, the subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with what people eat. Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people "weak in the faith" (verses 1-2). The stronger in faith know they could also eat meat. Nothing in God's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism. A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the stronger in the faith. This passage has nothing to do with the Sabbath.
How can anyone say Paul is telling Christians to observe the law (keep the 7th day Sabbath)? An easy reading of the New Testament shows no law (Old Covenant) for the Christian.
ebedmelech,
re: "Paul clearly tells us we are free from keeping days...Clolossians 2:16, 17:"
re: "Romans 14:5,6:"
How do you know that Paul wasn't simply telling the Colossians that they should not let anyone - other than the body of Christ, which is the church - criticize them for HOW they were observing the things mentioned in verse 16?
Paul does not say "the substance belongs to Christ"; this is a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the Greek. Paul wrote "but the body of Christ" meaning the church. That is, the church is to be doing the judging not the outside critics who were trying to force their ascetic values onto the church.
How can you absolutely say that Paul wasn't telling the body of believer's to not let anyone judge them because the believers chose to be obedient to scripture by eating what is commanded (not eating swine etc.), and chose to observe the Feasts as commanded in scripture (not the pagan ones), and chose to observed the seventh day Sabbath (not the pagan sun-worship day) as commanded in scripture?
Really now? My Bible has the following in Romans 14 -As for Romans 14:5, the subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with what people eat. Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people "weak in the faith" (verses 1-2). The stronger in faith know they could also eat meat. Nothing in God's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism. A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the stronger in the faith. This passage has nothing to do with the Sabbath.
Good post!I know because of the conistency of scripture Colossians 2 is not the only place Paul does this. Now you can say what Paul said is a mistranslation, but the preponderance of the translation evidence says you're wrong. "Substance and "body" are perfectly fine ways to render the passage they both make the point that Christ is the "sabbath". Christ was substance (tangible). This is fully made clear in Hebrews 4. Examine Blue Letter Bible on this point:
Greek Lexicon :: G4983 (NASB)
When you read Romans 14 all you need do is think "why is Paul making a big deal about days?". This is a perfect time for the apostle to say you need to worship on the Sabbath, he doesn't say that. Paul has labored all through Romans about the fact that the Law does not save, nor does keeping the Law save. He is now making the point of that because it's the Law that says foods are clean and unclean, and it's the Law that says keep the sabbath. Paul is clearing that up!
Also whenever the NT begins qouting portions of the Decalogue, why do they NEVER mention the 4th commandment? It's certainly isn't by chance. They KNOW Christ fulfills the sabbath. Find the sabbath day being stressed by anyone in the NT after the cross. You won't! Then ask yourself why Hebrews (which is a letter to Hebrew Christans), is saying this...Hebrews 4:3:
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
I don't make it an issue...I know I don't have to keep the sabbath and nothing in the New Covenant says I do. The Old Covenant is abolished when Christ died.