Homosexuality: Choice and/or genetic?

[super animator]

I have a question for the people who voted that homosexuality is a choice….what evidence is there that homosexuality is a choice?

They don't have to answer your question you know, in order to vote.

 

[BigBadWlf]

They don't have to answer your question you know, in order to vote.

I know they don’t have an answer….but I ask anyway

 

[Criada]

It isn't a choice!

 

[super animator]

I know they don’t have an answer….but I ask anyway

Logic fallacy, argument from silence.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Logic fallacy, argument from silence.

Curiosity.

I also ask flat earthers why they think the earth is a pancake

 

[catzrfluffy]

Actually, it's a crumpet.

 

[Archivist]

Actually, it's a crumpet.

An English crumpet or a Scottish crumpet?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Is discrimination justified in spite of biology?

Are we going to discriminate on who gets to be a minority?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Argument from ignorance. There are a variety of other factors that could attribute to the state of sexuality. Socio-cultural, environmental, parental influences, sibling influences, etc. It would be rash to assume that the cause is genetic just because it's not conscious.

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any cultural factor leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any post birth environmental factor leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any parental influence leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any sibling influence leading to homosexuality?

 

[david_x]

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any cultural factor leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any post birth environmental factor leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any parental influence leading to homosexuality?

Can you provide any legitimate evidence of any sibling influence leading to homosexuality?

Not the point, I said it could be. The point is that there is no evidence for the genetic factor being the sole determinant.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Not the point, I said it could be. The point is that there is no evidence for the genetic factor being the sole determinant.

And it could be due to flatulent invisible unicorns from Neptune…but without any evidence to support it there is no reason to accept the claim.

There is no evidence of any cultural factor leading to homosexuality

There is no evidence of any post birth environmental factor leading to homosexuality


There is no evidence of any parental influence leading to homosexuality.

There is no evidence of any sibling influence leading to homosexuality.

There is no evidence that flatulent invisible unicorns from Neptune leads to homosexuality

 

[david_x]

And it could be due to flatulent invisible unicorns from Neptune…but without any evidence to support it there is no reason to accept the claim.

There is no evidence of any cultural factor leading to homosexuality

There is no evidence of any post birth environmental factor leading to homosexuality


There is no evidence of any parental influence leading to homosexuality.

There is no evidence of any sibling influence leading to homosexuality.

There is no evidence that flatulent invisible unicorns from Neptune leads to homosexuality

That was actually my point...if you had bothered to read my post in the first place.

 

[sonofjay817]

As a Christian with homosexual attractions, I can confirm that I did not make a choice to be attracted by men--I just am.

But the grace of God is abundant, and I choose to receive His salvation, obey His laws, learn self-control and refrain from acting on my attractions.

Exactly! Performing a gay act is a choice. Having gay feelings is not a choice. I think its rather silly to suggest it is and people make Christians look bad when they say this. Every person (including Christians) have certain predispositions to various moral failings. Some people have bad tempers, some have gambling problems, some have abusal issues, some are attracted to children, and some are attracted to same sex. People don't choose these, but they do choose to submit to them and they can choose to accept God's grace to overcome them.

 

[sonofjay817]

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[brightmorningstar]

The testimony of Dragons87 and the statement of sonofJay817, puts me in fellowship with them by the same faith.

 

[Dragons87]

The testimony of Dragons87 and the statement of sonofJay817, puts me in fellowship with them by the same faith.

 

[2ndRateMind]

Hmmm. All you homophobes are getting it all your own way, at present.

Performing a gay act is a choice. Having gay feelings is not a choice. I think its rather silly to suggest it is and people make Christians look bad when they say this. Every person (including Christians) have certain predispositions to various moral failings. Some people have bad tempers, some have gambling problems, some have abusal issues, some are attracted to children, and some are attracted to same sex. People don't choose these, but they do choose to submit to them and they can choose to accept God's grace to overcome them.

This just won't do, except as a rhetorical conjuring trick. You can't just list a homosexual disposition with a whole load of undesirable character traits, and say; therefore homosexuality is wrong. It's not good enough. You have to say precisely why homosexuality is wrong. If you have a reason, you have an argument. If you don't, you don't. Simple as that. And I have yet to hear from the - what shall we say? evangelical? - tendency of the faith any knock-down, indisputable reason why homosexuality should be considered any more wrong than heterosexuality.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[sonofjay817]

Hmmm. All you homophobes are getting it all your own way, at present.



This just won't do, except as a rhetorical conjuring trick. You can't just list a homosexual disposition with a whole load of undesirable character traits, and say; therefore homosexuality is wrong. It's not good enough. You have to say precisely why homosexuality is wrong. If you have a reason, you have an argument. If you don't, you don't. Simple as that. And I have yet to hear from the - what shall we say? evangelical? - tendency of the faith any knock-down, indisputable reason why homosexuality should be considered any more wrong than heterosexuality.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The point of the thread is not to provide "proof" that homosexuality is wrong. It is to discuss whether it is a choice or genetic. Yes. I start with the premise that homosexuality is sinful behaviour and that affects my thinking on the subject. If you want to debate the rightness or wrongness of it, i think that is stuff for a different thread.

 

[sonofjay817]

 

[dante'sComedy]

ah, this political agenda of homosexual right continue's.
~ Because if one can provide a convincing argument that homosexuality is not a choice , but that they are born that way. That somehow this will disprove the Word of God or christians who actually read the bible an need not look to the word of man over scripture.

~ Well, the bible clearly reveals it is an unatural effection. An God calls those who engage in its practice abomnible.
~ the real argument i see here is whether we are going to twist the Word or adhere to God's admonishment?
~This is not a conditional issue. Its either God is right in His directive. And, we as the created thing live unto Him within His reign. Or, we choose to live outside His care. Its clearly a choice each individually solely makes for his or her self.

~ Yet, i will add. That just like in the garden a choice was made to be disobediant to God's word. That one act sent us as a race into a spiral of death. Both, physical and spiritual. Set aside your political agenda and find yourself at war with God? Fighting his word over allowing the redemption of Christ to enter in your life is a sad state of our society and culture.
~ whether born a homosexual or born heterosexual. The real matter is of salvation and the redemptive work of the cross of Christ.
~ Jesus being the Word Himself. Will we have ears to hear what the Spirit of God has to say concerning our life and what? choices we should make pleasing the Father? i might add those choices effect others also! Or, create a your own lordship outside of His salvation.

~ I often wondered why, Cains sacrifice was not accepted and why abel's was pleasing to God. It was because God had cursed the ground. And, Cain offered it anyway? Abel foreshadowing the sacrifice of Christ gave the acceptable sacrifice.
~ We cannot offer unto God just whatever we please and call it a day.
We must offer our gifts in the Spirit of His Word. God said, In you I am well pleased. Meaning Christ His Son "the Word".
~ God is pleased with His Word. We need to be attentive to that fact.