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Holy Spirit ------Conscience

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1 corinithians 6-19 says that our body is the home of the Holy Spirit, our conscience is also housed in our body.

 Would some of you help me on this?

 What is the difference between the Holy Spirit and our Conscience?

 Psalms 51-11 says don't take your Holy Spirit from me.

 So the Holy Spirit is a gift but it can be taken from you.

 I wonder if our conscience can also be taken from us.

 If we practice doing things that is wrong I believe our conscience may also be taken or our heart hardened?

 I have wondered about this for a long time. What are your thoughts on this subject? Thanks much Evee
 

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Originally posted by Evee
 What is the difference between the Holy Spirit and our Conscience?

The Holy Spirit is of God, while your conscience is your sense of morality.  The problem with our conscience is that it is influenced by many, often ungodly, things whereas the Holy Spirit is never contradictory of God's immutable Word, nor conceding of the things that contradict it.

God bless
 
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Conscience is a natural awareness of God's moral laws, a feeling of guilt when we do something we know is wrong.

The Holy Spirit is the "communications man" aspect of God. Unless He indwells you through faith in Christ, He doesn't communicate with you. His role is not to make you feel guilty when you do bad things, but to keep you in connection with God, because He is God.

It's like the difference between the police and the phone company. The police will arrest you when you do bad things whether or not you are a tax-payer in their district, but the phone company won't connect with you unless you are a subscriber to their services.
 
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 Do you believe the Holy Spirit was instilled into us at birth?

 I can't remember exactly where I read this but John the Baptist I believe it to be him.

 He leaped in the womb from the Holy Spirit.

 I do like the answer of the conscience being a sense of morality.
 
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Dear Evee,

You said:
Psalms 51-11 says don't take your Holy Spirit from me.

For one thing, we must remember the difference between God's Spirit in the Old Covenant [OT] and Him in the new.

In the OT, God's Spirit dwelled in "temples made with hands," whereas in the NT God's Spirit indwells the believer when they're born-again. So we can deduce God's Spirit in the OT lives of people was a temporary manifestation. You will find some OT places where He came UPON men, and others where He FILLED them, again, for whatever length of time He was needed to carry out God's plan, or depending upon the stewardship of Him by the recipient.

The picture drawn for us when John baptized Jesus in the Jordan, was actually the OT manifestation of the Holy Ghost descending and resting upon Jesus. (Christ had not yet shed His Blood, so the New Covenant had not yet been sealed and put into effect.) The apostles, too, until the Day of Pentecost - well, in one respect anyway (some would say it was when Jesus returned for a few weeks after His resurrection), operated temp. with this OT Spirit of God.

Today, some denominations believe you can also lose God's Spirit after you're born-again, whereas others would see no NT application of David's prayer not to lose Him, them believing once saved God's Spirit will never leave us.

This is oversimplified, as I'm trying not to bring into the conversation the different manifestations of God's Spirit [and also trying to keep it as inter-denominational as possible], but I hope it helps you some in your understanding. We would still do well to have the same attitude as David, even if we believe once we are saved we stay saved (perhaps substituting FELLOWSHIP with His Spirit).

Praying you and yours a blessed Thanksgiving - we have soooooo much to be thankful for if we're found in Him.
 
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P.S. (Sorry, I missed the rest of your questions at first.)

 

John the Baptist was "filled" with the Holy Ghost in Elizabeth's womb, but he is the only person the Word ever specifically speaks of as having had this experience. Since John's life, from Day One, was as a forerunner for Christ, and his entire life a preperation for that, his was obviously a peculiar example by the sovereign will of God.

The Word doesn't say whether or not we can lose our conscience - and no, it's not the same as God's Spirit, since the unsaved have a conscience but not - or so evangelicals/charismatics generally believe - God's Spirit. But the Word DOES say the conscience can be "seared." In other words after we continually ignore the conscience when we do wrong, eventually its "voice" grows quite faint and easily ignored.

I'm very surprised you didn't know any, and even all of these things, if you're a born-again Christian. They are very basic to the faith. May I lovingly suggest you get planted in a church and fellowship with other believers as the Word commands, and attend their classes. This is very important to your spiritual growth. (The fact you've been wondering about these things a long time indicates some deficiency that needs to be addressed. Many blessings, and I pray you find a good fellowship.
 
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I believe our conscience (our inborn sense of morality and righteousness, which is renewed and redeemed when we become a believer in Christ) would be best compared to a smoke alarm in that it warns us of potential sin and danger, and alerts us to the need for repentance.

To take this analogy farther, a sensitive conscience is good, however, an overburdened or much too sensitive conscience (where you feel that you must confess things that you didn't even think or do, where you feel that everything is wrong other than reading your Bible and praying, or where you feel always guilty even if you didn't do anything you can think of) is about as good as an oversensitive smoke alarm that blares every time someone lights a candle on the other side of the house. IOW, you will either live in fear or ignore it, neither of which are good options.

My point is, that while cultivating a sensitive conscience is good, do not become someone who is afraid to live or approach God.
 
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Hey thanks folks,

 brotherjim thanks for the advice.

 I hope you don't get to surprised at the questions I ask.

 I will probably ask more shocking ones in the future.

 I feel like you may question if I am born again christian but not to wonder I am.

 My maturity may not be where you are or someone else but I am born again never the less.

 I have to tell you the fellowship in church has not helped but stunted my growth.

 I would like a suggestion as to what church you would suggest. 

I felt a slight bit of judgement in your tone.

 Forgive me if I am wrong.

Yes we do have much to be thankful for.
 
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Originally posted by Evee
Hey thanks folks,

 brotherjim thanks for the advice.

 I hope you don't get to surprised at the questions I ask.

 I will probably ask more shocking ones in the future.

 I feel like you may question if I am born again christian but not to wonder I am.

 My maturity may not be where you are or someone else but I am born again never the less.

 I have to tell you the fellowship in church has not helped but stunted my growth.

 I would like a suggestion as to what church you would suggest. 

I felt a slight bit of judgement in your tone.

 Forgive me if I am wrong.

Yes we do have much to be thankful for.

Dearest Evee,

Thank you for considering my words.

I wasn't questioning your born-again status whatsoever - just didn't know because you didn't say.

Any maturity I may have was not always there - I'm two decades in the Lord, plus was brought up in it (dad a Sunday School Super., and grandad a missionary to Trinidad, etc.). So a lot was merely by circumstance. But even the first ten years after getting saved, I was likely a better sinner than anyone posting here - and very ignorant of some of the most basic tenets of our faith. Also, any maturity I have was totally by Grace, the Father's sovereign will I be molded as such to help others (I would much rather be alone and living in the mountains, 4 or 5 miles from any other human and definately not on-line.)

So, no, I hope the Holy Ghost will bear you witness to believe, I was not judging you whatsoever - not even "a slight bit." And there's nothing for me to forgive - I was not offended, and I understand how someone could easily come to such a conclusion.

It's very, very sad what you say in regards to fellowship, as I know personally how hard it is to find a church to feed us. But remember the words of Jeremiah (Chap. 3, I think) where he says the problem of our not being fed is not on the part of the pastor, but when WE turn to God with our WHOLE heart, God WILL raise up pastors to feed us.

More important than being fed the Word at church, however, is that we are planted among other believers. They're a pain in the butt, and as we submit to the Word that commands us to assemble - and also to love all others unconditionally, we will begin to grow in the GRACES of God out of its necessity for putting up with all the junk in peoples' lives. Then as we grow in Grace, the Holy Ghost will grant a corresponding growth in the knowledge of Him - even if He has to teach us Himself.

Growing in the knowledge of Him without intermittently growing in the Graces of Him, yields a life puffed up with pride - whereby we become mostly useless to God and ourselves.

"Knowledge puffs up, but Grace edifies" [paraphrased - I think].

May God richly bless you, and begin with providing the Grace for you to put up with some believers somewhere.

In His Love for you, your brother, jim

 
 
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  Hey thanks brotherjim, I appreciate you getting back to me, because you didn't have too.

 I sometimes get a little frustrated with what comes with the church.

 I have searched and searched for a home church.

 I will find one but I am going through some transisitions at this time. 

 I hope to find what I am looking for and where I need to be soon. I was saved in a baptist church when I was 13 years old.

 A lot of water under the bridge and a lot of baggage from then to now.

 I am not going to bring up churches by name but I have to be careful.

 I have had some unpleasant experiences, and I am not completely innocent I am sure.

I will find one in time I am sure, just the right time.

 I really feel very close to the lord at this time, but I learn everything the hard way.

 So I will ask questions I am sure and sometimes it is to get other ideas to put along beside of mine that I am not sure of.

Thanks again. Evee
 
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