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Hillsong Leader charged with concealing child sexual offences.

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He would have been around 14 years old if that... seems a bit strange that they are making it out like he's some sort of abuser himself. I'm sure if he wasn't who he is or even a Christian this wouldn't even be a case.

Your math is a bit off. He was born in 1954 which would make him 16 in 1970. If the abuse happened before 1973 then I would agree that it seems like an over reach to charge him when he was a minor at the time. After that then maybe. Either way it does seem like the prosecutors are grasping at straws looking for someone to charge in the absence of the actual abuser.
 
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Abuse rarely occurs in a vacuum. Oftentimes the family or people close to the perpetrator are aware of their behavior and remain silent. The article said he was a permitted to retire before it became public.

If statements were made and reconciliation was undertaken you'll hear about it. There were no references to it in the piece and that's a little concerning. Hopefully, the truth comes out.

For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light. —Luke 8:17

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He would have been around 14 years old if that... seems a bit strange that they are making it out like he's some sort of abuser himself. I'm sure if he wasn't who he is or even a Christian this wouldn't even be a case.

Something fishy about that article. He is to report to the officials in October? But he died in 2004? The failure to report occurred in 1974.

Your math is a bit off. He was born in 1954 which would make him 16 in 1970. If the abuse happened before 1973 then I would agree that it seems like an over reach to charge him when he was a minor at the time. After that then maybe. Either way it does seem like the prosecutors are grasping at straws looking for someone to charge in the absence of the actual abuser.

The article in the OP is missing some details that would clarify this. Here’s a better article from a few years ago:
Hillsong's Brian Houston failed to report abuse and had conflict of interest – royal commission

Houston Sr abused kids in the 1970s, but nobody knew out about it at the time. Houston Jr eventually took over the church and in 1999 was made aware of the incidents that happened back in the 70s. As far as I understand things, that was when he failed to properly notify the authorities.
 
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LA Times' take

A government inquiry into institutional responses to allegations of child sex abuse found in 2015 that Houston did not tell police that his father was an abuser.

The inquiry found that Houston became aware of allegations against his father in 1999 and allowed him to retire quietly rather than report him to police. His father confessed to the abuse before he died in 2004 at age 82.
 
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Your math is a bit off. He was born in 1954 which would make him 16 in 1970. If the abuse happened before 1973 then I would agree that it seems like an over reach to charge him when he was a minor at the time. After that then maybe. Either way it does seem like the prosecutors are grasping at straws looking for someone to charge in the absence of the actual abuser.
it was in the "1970s" it seems specifically 1974 which would put Houston's age at 20. I don't know how Austrian law works but if we are talking about not reporting a crime that happened almost 50 years ago I wonder if a statue of limitations (or Austrian version) can be applied here, not for the sexual abuse done by his father but for the failure to report the crime that the son is accused of.

Given his father's influence I'm sure a case can be built for an emotional grib the father had over the son who may have felt forced into his failure to report choice. None of this really helps the victim who would be close to Houston's age and I suspect harbours a lot of resentment towards the family and their success and I suspect he is looking for a settlement.

It is hurtful to continue to hear stories like these happening in the Church where it should be a place of safety has become a place of secrets. Houston should be as transparent as possible regardless of the outcome which is a missing value in the church. When accused of his crimes Christ remained silent so we don't always need to feel we defend our cases to the utmost level and sometimes in these events winning is losing.
 
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I don't know how Austrian law works but

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It happened almost 30 years ago, he was not directly involved in the abuse, and he was basically under his father's influence. But then... that's Australia and they don't seem to have as much a problem beating dead horses.

Your math is a bit off. He was born in 1954 which would make him 16 in 1970. If the abuse happened before 1973 then I would agree that it seems like an over reach to charge him when he was a minor at the time. After that then maybe. Either way it does seem like the prosecutors are grasping at straws looking for someone to charge in the absence of the actual abuser.

Exactly. But look at what happened to Lindy Chamberlain. She was convicted of murdering her son even though the evidence was all circumstantial or just made up. In reality, her child was eaten by a wild dog, but nobody wanted to believe that at the time.

When the Australian public gets angry, fairness towards the accused isn't always at the top of the legal agenda there.
 
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He would have been around 14 years old if that... seems a bit strange that they are making it out like he's some sort of abuser himself. I'm sure if he wasn't who he is or even a Christian this wouldn't even be a case.
Goodness that's totally utterly untrue. He was, and had been for over a decade, director/founder of Hillsong. His father confessed to child sexual assault and Brian Houstan chose to conceal that. That's why he is standing trial. Teenage parishioners complained and far from supporting the complainants, he attempted to hide the facts.

That said, his father ended up in gaol and Brian has been before the Royal Commission for Hillsongs failures to protect children, and Brian's specific role in those failures. Like Catholicism, Hillsong was found to be more concerned with protecting the organisation as opposed to the children assaulted
 
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It happened almost 30 years ago, he was not directly involved in the abuse, and he was basically under his father's influence. But then... that's Australia and they don't seem to have as much a problem beating dead horses.



Exactly. But look at what happened to Lindy Chamberlain. She was convicted of murdering her son even though the evidence was all circumstantial or just made up. In reality, her child was eaten by a wild dog, but nobody wanted to believe that at the time.

When the Australian public gets angry, fairness towards the accused isn't always at the top of the legal agenda there.
The 1970s murder trial has nothing to do with a colluding with child sexual abuse. It will be tried upon its own merits. Your comments about the justice system is absurdly lacking in evidence.

It has the same system of requiring evidence with follow-up appeal processes, with incorrect judgements historically far lower than the USA, a nation well known for historical abuses. Citing a single case of an incorrect judgement which was ultimately overturned is a rather lame argument.
 
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Houston Sr abused kids in the 1970s, but nobody knew out about it at the time. Houston Jr eventually took over the church and in 1999 was made aware of the incidents that happened back in the 70s. As far as I understand things, that was when he failed to properly notify the authorities.
this seems to be the charges. although the abuse by his father happened in the 70s his son's failure to report is based on 1999 when he became aware of the abuse. The father of course has since passed on and now these looming charges are over the son. It seems at the time Houston was the president of the then Assemblies of God in Australia and now known as the Australian Christian Churches and he held this position from 1997-2009. The 1999 evidence seems to have been the father's confession to his son. It's complicated for sure but in the end, Houston was wrong to not report it and he should be transparent about his actions and accept whatever judgment comes upon him where a settlement may appear like a continued cover-up and do more harm to the church.
 
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I like words like "allegedly"... means something huh. So you could word it like " The police will "claim or assert that Hillsong has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case." Back in 1970 as FireDragon76 was saying. Thats the date the site said.. he allegedly knew.. blah blah blah. Abuse by Fathers and never saying a word.. I Know that story all to well
 
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Brian Houston is so full of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]!
The main issue, leaving aside Houstan, Hillsong and whether he's innocent or not.... Is that acting to prevent damage and protect the image of an organisation, at the expense of sexually assaulted children, is not only immoral and illegal, it ultimately will damage even further the organisation and the complainants.
 
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The main issue, leaving aside Houstan, Hillsong and whether he's innocent or not.... Is that acting to prevent damage and protect the image of an organisation, at the expense of sexually assaulted children, is not only immoral and illegal, it ultimately will damage even further the organisation and the complainants.
Hillsong has been hit by scandals before, however, the difference now is that I think Brian Houston has become that tipping point where damage control can no longer be as effective as it used to be, namely because of the era we are now in and how prominent of a figure Brian Houston is as both the founder of Hillsong and as a high profile leader in Christianity as a whole.

I don't think his conviction will make huge waves in Hillsong or on Christianity as a whole (not yet anyway!) because of how rooted it is, but personally, for me, Houston been charged is but a small step in the right direction for justice and maybe the victims can finally find some closure.
 
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Its not just Houstan and Hillsong police are now catching up with. Anyone who was part of the coverup of child sexual abuse will now be the subject of criminal charges, regardless of the lapse of time - The Jehova Witnesses culture of elder abuse and elder coverup is now in courts in most countries where they have offices.
Trial scheduled for Jehovah’s Witnesses elders accused of failing to report sexual abuse

And those who have cooperated with the police are subject to a JW witch hunt.
'Misbruikslachtoffers Jehova's Getuigen vrezen heksenjacht'
 
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Hillsong Church founder Brian Houston acquitted of concealing his father’s abuse of boy

[Magistrate] Christofi accepted that Houston believed the victim, Brett Sengstock, did not want the abuse, which occurred in the 1970s, reported to police.

[The victim denies telling Houston this (though Houston may have believed it).]

Houston became aware in 1999 of his father’s abuse of Sengstock, then 7 years old. His father confessed and was defrocked as an Assemblies of God pastor. Frank Houston died in 2004 at age 82 without being charged.

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In unrelated news, Brian Houston resigned last year over his own moral failures.
 
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