If you don’t get baptized you can’t be fully united to God to experience the full unity with God from the gift of the Holy Spirit or rather a gift of God (given from being born of water which could be particularly from the Holy Spirit even though one has the Holy Spirit without it) given at baptism as the Holy Spirit was mentioned as given to gentiles without baptism given in baptism and not just the Holy Spirit you have from believing that is proven to dwell in people by faith as it leads them to have understanding to keep His commandments though maybe not to be fully united to God.
We know people who are not baptised still have ability to do good and avoid sins and can strive to follow all that the bible says I believe they can live holy lives which you can’t without the Spirit of God but Jesus says you need to be born of water also. The goal of Christianity is not just to be holy which you can’t without the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit leads one to do works but to also be born again not only of the Spirit to believe and be holy but of the water to also take away one sins and wash away all sins in this life to make one completely washed inside and united with God now. Paul said no one can say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit and evidence of the Holy Spirit in one life is they are led by the Holy Spirit. They have the ability to be righteous and they bear fruit but they are not fully united to God to be currently alive and to be made fully alive upon death for if one is not free and is punished he is not yet made fully alive though he has life as he is not fully separated from God
Jesus says he who believes in Him though he may die yet will he live by which some take to mean if you are spiritually dead on earth if you believe you can be made alive now it can also refer to when you die you can be made fully alive which you are not yet fully united to God to experience full life so you are in that sense dead that is not yet raised to be with Jesus but you are not dead to be cut off from eternal life forever
Romans 8:9-22
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Sonship Through the Spirit
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
From Suffering to Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
The creation will be delivered from corruption because there will no longer be sin in heaven among the children of God
God created the creation to glorify Him which it does not do now that is why He says it will be delivered not that all would be saved. But all creation will serve the purposes of the creator that it was intended to serve and earth was created initially as a paradise for the children of God.It just means everything that was created for the sake of God intention will be fullfilling His intention and He intends for a new earth and heaven for the those who were redeemed or will be redeemed
John 14:19-21
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
We know people who are not baptised still have ability to do good and avoid sins and can strive to follow all that the bible says I believe they can live holy lives which you can’t without the Spirit of God but Jesus says you need to be born of water also. The goal of Christianity is not just to be holy which you can’t without the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit leads one to do works but to also be born again not only of the Spirit to believe and be holy but of the water to also take away one sins and wash away all sins in this life to make one completely washed inside and united with God now. Paul said no one can say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit and evidence of the Holy Spirit in one life is they are led by the Holy Spirit. They have the ability to be righteous and they bear fruit but they are not fully united to God to be currently alive and to be made fully alive upon death for if one is not free and is punished he is not yet made fully alive though he has life as he is not fully separated from God
Jesus says he who believes in Him though he may die yet will he live by which some take to mean if you are spiritually dead on earth if you believe you can be made alive now it can also refer to when you die you can be made fully alive which you are not yet fully united to God to experience full life so you are in that sense dead that is not yet raised to be with Jesus but you are not dead to be cut off from eternal life forever
Romans 8:9-22
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Sonship Through the Spirit
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
From Suffering to Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
The creation will be delivered from corruption because there will no longer be sin in heaven among the children of God
God created the creation to glorify Him which it does not do now that is why He says it will be delivered not that all would be saved. But all creation will serve the purposes of the creator that it was intended to serve and earth was created initially as a paradise for the children of God.It just means everything that was created for the sake of God intention will be fullfilling His intention and He intends for a new earth and heaven for the those who were redeemed or will be redeemed
John 14:19-21
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
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