grave (mortal) sin

[Benedicta00]

I think that this is Scripture that supports what Shelb is talking about. Here is Paul, saying that he is suffering for the Church, in a sense doing penance for others. Correct?

Colossians 1

24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,

Yes, that is why we have so many victim souls who were saints who willing received from Christ suffering to do penance for those harden sinners who reject mercy and refuse to repent.

 

[kimber1]

have i told y'all lately how AWESOME you all are???!!!??? thanks so much!!!!!!

 

[kimber1]

But it is not a necessity of our faith anyway.

you know? that helps more than you know!!

 

[pmarquette]

here are some scriptures to look at :

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.


Here are the 6 remaining inexact matches:

Deu 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is] in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter:

2Ki 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Ok my quick simple overview of indulgences:

As every one has point out that even though our sin are forgiven they still live a mark on us.

In a court case just because the person pleads guilty we don't let them off the hook they still have to pay their debit to society. The same with sins.

Now one can repay their "debit" and be cleansed of the marks left by sin in many ways on earth or in purgatory.

Since the human mind is a inquisitive thing by nature, some where along the line some one asked so how does doing act 1 compare to doing act 2 in terms of my soul being cleansed.

At that point the concept of indulgences was created.

Basically an indulgence is a value that says doing this deed or prayer has the same result as performing the base act for so many days (I think the basic act that indulgences compared every thing to was wearing something itchy but I am not sure of the top of my head).

So if you said this prayer for 10 days it would have the same effect as hearing an itchy shirt in penitence for 1000 days.

So now you have a method of comparing the effects of different deeds.

Unfortunately the idea got corrupted big time my a materialistic habits

 

[Preachers12]

Great explanations guys! Those were awesome! There was a post on this forum that I thought showed the sins very simply. It was something to do with a line of people putting out a fire (it might have been by JeffreyLloyd). Maybe someone tagged it?

Cathologetics, Peace be with you.

I think this is the post you were looking for: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1297126#post1297126

God Bless,
P12

 

[boughtwithaprice]

As for indulgences, I never really understood that very well. But it is not a necessity of our faith anyway.

I would agree that it is not a necessity to understand them or participate in them, but indulgences are an infallible dogma of the Catholic church and are required to be believed. We have no right to disbelieve them or deliberately discard them.

 

[Rising_Suns]

any more questions kimber?

 

[kimber1]

I think this is the post you were looking for: [url]http://www.christianforums.com/show...126#post1297126[/url]

God Bless,
P12

that was such an awesome demonstration!!!!

 

[kimber1]

any more questions kimber?

i've got a ton! but y'all have done a great job in explaining this! rest assured i'm gonna be bugging y'all frequently!!!