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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.
Sanctification is a lifelong thing; it's less about rules (unless there is a clear Scripture principle) and more about keeping 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33
He means the attachment to the world that must be forsaken.

Paul had a job as tentmaker in order to support himself in his real ministry of witnessing to Christ so he didnt burden his life on others, we too have a wordly job so we dont burden the others.
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.

Question: "How can I be saved?"

Answer:
This simple, yet profound, question is the most important question that can be asked. "How can I be saved?" deals with where we will spend eternity after our lives in this world are over. There is no more important issue than our eternal destiny. Thankfully, the Bible is abundantly clear on how a person can be saved. The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). Paul and Silas responded, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31).

How can I be saved? Why do I need to be saved?
We are all infected with sin (Romans 3:23). We are born with sin (Psalm 51:5), and we all personally choose to sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). Sin is what makes us unsaved. Sin is what separates us from God. Sin is what has us on the path to eternal destruction.

How can I be saved? Saved from what?
Because of our sin, we all deserve death (Romans 6:23). While the physical consequence of sin is physical death, that is not the only kind of death that results from sin. All sin is ultimately committed against an eternal and infinite God (Psalm 51:4). Because of that, the just penalty for our sin is also eternal and infinite. What we need to be saved from is eternal destruction (Matthew 25:46; Revelation 20:15).

How can I be saved? How did God provide salvation?
Because the just penalty for sin is infinite and eternal, only God could pay the penalty, because only He is infinite and eternal. But God, in His divine nature, could not die. So God became a human being in the person of Jesus Christ. God took on human flesh, lived among us, and taught us. When the people rejected Him and His message, and sought to kill Him, He willingly sacrificed Himself for us, allowing Himself to be crucified (John 10:15). Because Jesus Christ was human, He could die; and because Jesus Christ was God, His death had an eternal and infinite value. Jesus’ death on the cross was the perfect and complete payment for our sin (1 John 2:2). He took the consequences we deserved. Jesus’ resurrection from the dead demonstrated that His death was indeed the perfectly sufficient sacrifice for sin.

How can I be saved? What do I need to do?
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). God has already done all of the work. All you must do is receive, in faith, the salvation God offers (Ephesians 2:8-9). Fully trust in Jesus alone as the payment for your sins. Believe in Him, and you will not perish (John 3:16). God is offering you salvation as a gift. All you have to do is accept it. Jesus is the way of salvation (John 14:6).

www.gotquestions.org/how-can-I-be-saved.html
 
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Paul had a job as tentmaker so he didnt burden his life on others, we too have a wordly job so we dont burden the others.

Jobs are OK. Jobs are good.

But Paul seemed to have spent ALL his income for the ministry. So it seemed Paul is also living according to Luke 14:33
 
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Paul seemed to have spent ALL his income for the ministry.
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33
The early church sold their properties and share it together, we cannot live like them, so we need to work for money. No church feed us with food.
Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
 
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The early church sold their properties and share it together, we cannot live like them, so we need to work for money. No church feed us with food.

The church is not a building, it's the people, it's the Christians.

The early church also worked for money like Paul. Some of the 12 disciples came back to fishing to have some income.

St. John in the Bible said we must help our brothers and sisters (other Christians) in need. But most Christians are unable to do this because they would rather spend their time and money on upgrading their house, cars, gadgets, buying properties, and hobbies.

St. John further said, if we are incapable of doing such things when we have the means to do so, it's a sign we don't love God.
 
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Same scenario, when Jesus said that we ought to hate mother and father to follow him. You need to distiguish the literal and figurative meaning. Jesus would never tell us to hate our family when the commandment about loving parents or even our neighbours is pretty clear. What it means is that we need to love Jesus more than them to follow.

Same here. We do not have to abandon the things we could enjoy in a godly manner to glorify Him. However, we must not love it more than God/Jesus.

All those things mean one thing: we must love God/Jesus above all else. Do not take it literally and toss away everything you have. Instead, learn to love God more than those things and do them to glorify Him. However, if those things are sinful, they can not be used to glorify Him. This would be an example of mutually exclusive things. Do you love your sin more, or God? If the latter, the former will have to go, as sin can not glorify God as per 1 Cor 10:31.

As a rule of thumb, try to understand what the meaning of the phrase it beyond the literal one. Ask yourself “what was He trying to tell us” instead of “what did I just read”. Does it make sense? Sorry, I can be rather inept in trying to convey a meaning :D
 
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Same here. We do not have to abandon the things we could enjoy in a godly manner to glorify Him. However, we must not love it more than God/Jesus.

St. John said, we must not love the things of this world. (1 John 2:15-17).

We do not have to abandon the things we could enjoy in a godly manner to glorify Him. However, we must not love it more than God/Jesus.

To glorify God with your possessions.

1 John 3:17
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

However, if those things are sinful, they can not be used to glorify Him. This would be an example of mutually exclusive things. Do you love your sin more, or God? If the latter, the former will have to go, as sin can not glorify God as per 1 Cor 10:31.

It was Paul, who wrote that verse and his life is picture of much pain and suffering.

Same scenario, when Jesus said that we ought to hate mother and father to follow him. You need to distiguish the literal and figurative meaning. Jesus would never tell us to hate our family when the commandment about loving parents or even our neighbours is pretty clear

I agree, hating mother and father is figurative.

But NOT loving the things of this world is a bit more literal. Jesus made the distinction very clear in Luke 16:13. If you love money, you will hate God.

Putting this into perspective, back to 1 John 3:17 -- if you love worldly things, you won't be able to give these up to help brothers and sisters in need (other Christians) and according to St. John, this is a sign you don't love God...

..And Jesus said if you love money (same thing as material wealth, possessions, etc), you will hate God.

This isn't just giving up a few or old stuff. It will take a lot more. Giving out of abundance is still not enough according to Christ.
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.
Salvation isn't about what you give up but repentance is part of that. It's about what you are wanting to receive

And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. (Eph. 3:18)​

The Bible doesn't tell us it will be easy, only that it will be worth it beyond our wildest dreams:

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first. (Matt. 19:28-30)
Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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@timewerx But God created this world for us. Are we not love the singing of the birds or the great langscape? Do they not glorify God? Does His creation not speak of His glory? God made us a world, us not loving it seems ungrateful. We must love God more, but surely loving His creation also glorifies Him?
 
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@timewerx But God created this world for us. Are we not love the singing of the birds or the great langscape? Do they not glorify God? Does His creation not speak of His glory? God made us a world, us not loving it seems ungrateful. We must love God more, but surely loving His creation also glorifies Him?

I also love untouched, pristine nature.

But the topic of this thread is more about things that are man-made. In the Bible, the context of "worldly things" is also mostly in the context of man-made items.

While Jesus and some of His disciples spoke against worldly things, they also spent a lot of time in the wilderness (wild, remote places, away from people and surrounded by nature) during travel or when praying / meditating.

They have plenty of time in the wild but kept very little of man-mad items. So it's pretty obvious what they mean by worldy things - man made.
 
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@timewerx - As an example, I really like practicing archery. It teaches me discipline and mental focus. It teaches me reliance of God. The whole reason I enjoy it so much is that it brings me closer to God. Yet it is a man-made activity. How would that qualify (genuine question)?
 
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@timewerx - As an example, I really like practicing archery. It teaches me discipline and mental focus. It teaches me reliance of God. The whole reason I enjoy it so much is that it brings me closer to God. Yet it is a man-made activity. How would that qualify (genuine question)?

Jesus said so many times in the Gospels, (in summary) -- "now is pain, celebration later when I come back to Earth".

This isn't because God doesn't want us to enjoy things....

But because the status quo in the world today is evil where the evil profits, the good is brought injustice, and profit is made from the less fortunate (the poor is being exploited for cheap labor).

Most money today is made from the blood, sweat, and tears of the poor. This is the price of good life in the present status quo in our world that is evil and corrupt.

This is why Jesus said, if you love money, you will hate God for that is what it is.

What would you then do with your free time?
 
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The early church HAS GIVEN UP EVERYTHING BY SELLING their properties and share it together, but this is totally impossible now,
No church feed us with food, not even the homeless ever invited to the church for 'physical and mental recovery' and shelter.
Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.

I would recommend taking a deep look at your life and repent from any sins, go to God through Jesus and talk to him, then fast on it for a day or two to show God you are serious, and read Gods word (bible) every day. You have to really seek him out with your time getting into scripture is the best way for that. there is no greater joy in the world then being saved, please continue to seek Jesus.

Matthew 7:7-12
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! ...
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.
It comes down to if we have things in our lives which we love more than Christ they are idols which must be removed.
 
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33

Do we have to give up everything we love do? Such as hobbies? I play sports 4 tines a week but i think it could be stopping me from getting through to god. I'm unsaved and think something is blocking me from getting through to god. I try to seperate time for him but it's like i'm not doing enough. I really want to be saved but dont know what to do. I have repented and tried not to sin but i feel theres something thats stopping me.

In Luke 14, Jesus lays out the terms of discipleship. There were great crowds following Him. Everyone loved the miracles, healing, and free food. Jesus was cool, the talk of the town, and the latest fad. But He knew their hearts. He knew they desired the benefits of what He did rather than an understanding of who He was. They loved His gifts, not the life He was calling them to. So He explained what it takes to be one of His followers:

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26-33).

Jesus said a lot in those simple illustrations. He quickly put an end to the idea that He offered some kind of welfare program. Although the gift of eternal life is free to anyone who asks (John 3:16), the asking requires a transfer of ownership (Luke 9:23; Galatians 5:24). “Counting the cost” means recognizing and agreeing to some terms first. In following Christ, we cannot simply follow our own inclinations. We cannot follow Him and the world's way at the same time (Matthew 7:13-14). Following Him may mean we lose relationships, dreams, material things, or even our lives.

Those who are following Jesus simply for what they can get won't stick around when the going gets tough. When God's way conflicts with our way, we will feel betrayed by the shallow, me-first faith we have bought into. If we have not counted the cost of being His child, we will turn away at the threat of sacrifice and find something else to gratify our selfish desires (cf. Mark 4:5, 16-17). In Jesus’ earthly ministry, there came a time when the free food stopped and public opinion turned ugly. The cheering crowds became jeering crowds. And Jesus knew ahead of time that would happen.

Jesus ended His description of the cost of discipleship with a breathtaking statement: "Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:33). “Renouncing” may mean we give up something physically, but more often it means we let go emotionally so that what we possess no longer possesses us. When we become one of His, we cannot continue to belong to this world (1 John 2:15-17). We must make a choice, for we cannot serve both God and Mammon (Matthew 6:24). The rich young ruler, when confronted with that choice, turned his back on Jesus (Luke 18:18-25).

Suppose you learned that you had been given an all-expense-paid condo on a beach in Tahiti, complete with airfare, a car, food, and a maid. You could brag about your new lifestyle, plan for it, and dream about it. But until you pack up and leave your current home, the new life is never really yours. You cannot live in Tahiti and your current hometown at the same time. Many people approach Christianity the same way. They love the idea of eternal life, escaping hell, and having Jesus at their beck and call. But they are not willing to leave the life they now live. Their desires, lifestyle, and sinful habits are too precious to them. Their lives may exhibit a token change—starting to attend church or giving up a major sin—but they want to retain ownership of everything else. Jesus is speaking in Luke 14 to those with that mindset.

We cannot earn salvation by lifestyle change or any other good deed (Ephesians 2:8-9). But when we choose to follow Christ, we are releasing control of our lives. When Jesus is in control, pure living results (1 John 3:4-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17). In Jesus’ parable of the sower, it was only the soil that allowed the seed to put down roots and bear fruit that was called “good.” If we are going to be disciples of Christ, we must first count the cost of following Him.

www.gotquestions.org/count-the-cost.html
 
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The early church HAS GIVEN UP EVERYTHING BY SELLING their properties and share it together, but this is totally impossible now,
No church feed us with food, not even the homeless ever invited to the church for 'physical and mental recovery' and shelter.
Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

I'm not sure why you posted very similar reply as earlier. I agree with you about having jobs

Are you trying to say the church (Christians) have gone cold or selfish, lovers of self...?

That's been prophesied in the Bible. And in the Bible, Jesus said He will turn away many Christians in the judgement stand. He also said, only few will find it. Christians today aren't few, not by any measure, and regardless of perspective. This means possible the majority of Christians are getting it wrong.

And I think it's strongly related to materialism -- loving money (and possibly anything associated with wealth and worldly stuff) is hatred of God. It doesn't matter if anyone says or thinks they love God but actions speak the truth.

Jesus warned against money, St. John gave the specifics to include material possessions and even titles / status.

They weren't speaking in relative sense that it's okay to love material things or money as long as you love God more.... That's not what they mean if you cross-reference similar verses in the Bible. They actually mean you should not love these things in any degree.

Other teachings come to play here -- finding a good life, you end up losing it as Jesus said. Because now is not the time to go after good life when the price of good life is at the expense of the weak, poor, and honest in this corrupt and evil world.

To make myself clear -- It's okay to have money and stuff and jobs....

But you should not love these. And not loving these things will bear visible signs - keeping very modest in everything and spending your free time and money in the Truth instead of material things, hobbies, leisure, etc.
 
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Are you trying to say the church (Christians) have gone cold or selfish, lovers of self...?
i'm not saying a word regarding this video. just posting.

Do they share like the early church ?
Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
 
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