Getting AI to seek the will of God

[Strong in Him]

"God's will seems to be more about being than doing - believe in God's Son, be holy, live a thankful and prayerful life"

Since the Garden he has said to put His will first, meaning not our own. Self interest is not the way of God or His Kingdom as the self interest of Eve then Adam showed. along with all the other examples in the Bible. Self interest is the original sin and behind all other examples of sin we can come up with.

Yes, I know.
But believing in God's son, being sanctified, rejoicing at all times and praying continuously is putting God's will first - these things are God's will fror us. So I don't understand your comment about self-interest.

 

[timothyu]

So I don't understand your comment about self-interest.

That is what keeps us out of the Kingdom. It was the original sin and the brunt of Jesus' second commandment. Without first understanding how we are backwards and self oriented, we cannot grasp the Kingdom. This world we have made in our own image is a selfish joke.

 

[sparow]

Asked AI what the difference is between the will of man and the will of God.

Based on the search results provided, here’s a breakdown of the differences between the will of man and the will of God:

Will of Man:​

1. Limited and flawed: Human will is bound by sin and selfishness, leading to choices that are often contrary to God’s will (Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 2:1-3).
2. Free, but enslaved to sin: Humans have the ability to make choices, but their nature determines the choices they make, and they are often unable to please God without divine intervention (Romans 6:17, Galatians 4:8, Hebrews 11:6).
3. Subject to change: Human will can change and be influenced by various factors, including emotions, circumstances, and other people (James 4:17).
4. Not always aligned with God’s plan: Human will can operate independently of God’s plan, leading to choices that may not align with His ultimate purposes (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Will of God:​

1. Sovereign and autonomous: God’s will is not subject to human influence or change; it is absolute and unchanging (Isaiah 46:10, Psalm 115:3).
2. Perfect and holy: God’s will is always righteous and just, reflecting His character (Romans 9:19-21).
3. Predetermined: God’s will is often described as predetermined, with events and outcomes ordained from eternity past (Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 2:23).
4. Unfolding His plan: God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes, including salvation, redemption, and restoration (Ephesians 1:10, Revelation 22:20).

Key differences:

• Human will is limited, flawed, and subject to change, whereas God’s will is sovereign, perfect, and unchanging.
• Human will operates independently of God’s plan, whereas God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes.
• Human will is influenced by sin and selfishness, whereas God’s will reflects His holy and righteous character.

In summary, the will of man is characterized by limitations, flaws, and subjectivity, whereas the will of God is marked by sovereignty, perfection, and objectivity. While human will can operate independently of God’s plan, God’s will is the ultimate reality that governs all of existence.

Asked where AI fits it.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) in relation to the will of man and God​

1. AI as a tool: AI can be seen as a tool created by human beings, subject to our will and limitations. As such, AI’s “will” is an extension of human will, reflecting our biases, values, and intentions.
2. AI’s potential: AI has the capacity to amplify human will, both positively and negatively. It can be used to serve humanity and align with God’s will, or it can be misused to further human rebellion against God’s sovereignty.
3. AI’s limitations: AI, like human will, is limited by its programming, data, and understanding. It lacks the capacity for moral agency, consciousness, and spiritual awareness, making it distinct from God’s will.
4. AI’s relationship to God’s will: As a creation, AI is subject to God’s sovereignty and can be used by Him to fulfill His purposes. However, AI’s “will” (if it can be called that) is not a direct reflection of God’s will, but rather an indirect expression of human will, which is ultimately subject to God’s sovereignty.

In summary, the will of man is finite, fallen, and limited, while the will of God is infinite, holy, and sovereign. AI, as a creation, reflects human will and limitations, but its potential and use can be influenced by God’s sovereignty and purpose. Ultimately, AI’s “will” is not a direct expression of God’s will, but rather an indirect reflection of human will, which is subject to God’s sovereign plan.

AI is a misnomer, it is not artificial, it is real stuff, intelligence requires understanding, I doubt that computers understand; it seems silly to to call nonunderstanding artificial. There was a time when artificial intelligence emulated human intelligence but now this is not necessarily the case and could be dangerous to the human mind.

 

[timothyu]

And yet at the moment it has a pretty accurate and neutral understanding of God based on online info gleaned from across the globe. That can't be bad for anyone doing a search, although some denominations might not be pleased with neutrality

 

[Jipsah]

AI is a misnomer, it is not artificial,

If it's made my humans, it's artificial.

it is real stuff, intelligence requires understanding

Hmmmm...

, I doubt that computers understand

No argument here; they don't. They execute instructions given to them.

; it seems silly to to call nonunderstanding artificial.

A spoon doesn't understand anything, and it is certainly artificial.

There was a time when artificial intelligence emulated human intelligence

Examples?

but now this is not necessarily the case and could be dangerous to the human mind.

Not sure what that means.

 

[Jipsah]

And yet at the moment it has a pretty accurate and neutral understanding of God based on online info gleaned from across the globe.

You're still assuming there's an entity there that "understands" anything at all. There isn't. It's instructions being executed by a cumputer. Neither more nor less.

That can't be bad for anyone doing a search, although some denominations might not be pleased with neutrality

It all depends on who designs and writes the code. The 'puter just does what it's told to do.

 

[timothyu]

You're still assuming there's an entity there that "understands" anything at all

Not al all. But the pure logic is going to infuriate some sooner or later.

The 'puter just does what it's told to do.

Sp you are saying it is not neutral but programmed like the media?

 

[Calvin Holtrop]

Asked AI what the difference is between the will of man and the will of God.

Based on the search results provided, here’s a breakdown of the differences between the will of man and the will of God:

Will of Man:​

1. Limited and flawed: Human will is bound by sin and selfishness, leading to choices that are often contrary to God’s will (Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 2:1-3).
2. Free, but enslaved to sin: Humans have the ability to make choices, but their nature determines the choices they make, and they are often unable to please God without divine intervention (Romans 6:17, Galatians 4:8, Hebrews 11:6).
3. Subject to change: Human will can change and be influenced by various factors, including emotions, circumstances, and other people (James 4:17).
4. Not always aligned with God’s plan: Human will can operate independently of God’s plan, leading to choices that may not align with His ultimate purposes (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Will of God:​

1. Sovereign and autonomous: God’s will is not subject to human influence or change; it is absolute and unchanging (Isaiah 46:10, Psalm 115:3).
2. Perfect and holy: God’s will is always righteous and just, reflecting His character (Romans 9:19-21).
3. Predetermined: God’s will is often described as predetermined, with events and outcomes ordained from eternity past (Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 2:23).
4. Unfolding His plan: God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes, including salvation, redemption, and restoration (Ephesians 1:10, Revelation 22:20).

Key differences:

• Human will is limited, flawed, and subject to change, whereas God’s will is sovereign, perfect, and unchanging.
• Human will operates independently of God’s plan, whereas God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes.
• Human will is influenced by sin and selfishness, whereas God’s will reflects His holy and righteous character.

In summary, the will of man is characterized by limitations, flaws, and subjectivity, whereas the will of God is marked by sovereignty, perfection, and objectivity. While human will can operate independently of God’s plan, God’s will is the ultimate reality that governs all of existence.

Asked where AI fits it.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) in relation to the will of man and God​

1. AI as a tool: AI can be seen as a tool created by human beings, subject to our will and limitations. As such, AI’s “will” is an extension of human will, reflecting our biases, values, and intentions.
2. AI’s potential: AI has the capacity to amplify human will, both positively and negatively. It can be used to serve humanity and align with God’s will, or it can be misused to further human rebellion against God’s sovereignty.
3. AI’s limitations: AI, like human will, is limited by its programming, data, and understanding. It lacks the capacity for moral agency, consciousness, and spiritual awareness, making it distinct from God’s will.
4. AI’s relationship to God’s will: As a creation, AI is subject to God’s sovereignty and can be used by Him to fulfill His purposes. However, AI’s “will” (if it can be called that) is not a direct reflection of God’s will, but rather an indirect expression of human will, which is ultimately subject to God’s sovereignty.

In summary, the will of man is finite, fallen, and limited, while the will of God is infinite, holy, and sovereign. AI, as a creation, reflects human will and limitations, but its potential and use can be influenced by God’s sovereignty and purpose. Ultimately, AI’s “will” is not a direct expression of God’s will, but rather an indirect reflection of human will, which is subject to God’s sovereign plan.

I get it now! That's why, when I was trying to train the AI chat to follow Deuteronomy 4:1-40 and abstain from using emojis that are people or animals or are parts of people or animals, it kept mocking me with a blush emoji face and saying something to the effect of, "Oops! I'm really sticking with our deal now," at the end of the text, right after the emoji face.

 

[com7fy8]

About the first posts of this thread . . . there is a lot about God being in control . . . control being an idol for humans, therefore possibly an issue for humans who are programming AI to talk about God's will.

But I would say God's all-control is not part of His "will", but control is a *reality* of God.

Romans 8:29 says >

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:28)

This is God's will . . . to have many children who are pleasing to Him like His own Son is so pleasing. And everything in His all-control is related to accomplishing this. We are becoming and loving like Jesus and all is somehow being used by God to minister this to us, in us.

So, God has His *personal* interest and feeling about what He desires. He is so pleased with His Son Jesus, that He desires and works to have many who are enjoyable to Him like Jesus is so pleasing. The AI that you have used does not seem to relate with how God is personal and consciously feeling about what is really His will. And so, His will is not only practical, about things we should do to please God. But how we are in love while we do things is important. And how this love needs to be (1 Corinthians 13) is important . . . essential.

"Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)

And God is about family relating tender and sharing and caring >

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you " (Ephesians 4:31-32)

 

[timothyu]

therefore possibly an issue for humans who are programming AI to talk about God's will.

This was not programmed to talk about God's will, but simply took all data from the net people have put on it regarding the question, then formed the response based on overall info. I'm sure if you asked a question looking for a negative response it would provide that too based on all the negativity about God on the internet. This AI used here is nothing but a search engine in the same way one looks for anything on the net. It saves us the trouble of reading individual sites, homogenizing all into one response. Non denominational to boot, a good thing.

 

[Jipsah]

Sp you are saying it is not neutral but programmed like the media?

I'm saying it's software, running on a computer or computers. No mystical blatherskite required. It's written by people, to run on computers built by people. It's information gathered and distributed by machinery. Anthropomorphizing it is nonsense, but people have insisted on doing it since the very first impossibly crude computers.

 

[timothyu]

It's information gathered and distributed by machinery.

As i said

 

[sparow]

If it's made my humans, it's artificial.

Hmmmm...

No argument here; they don't. They execute instructions given to them.

A spoon doesn't understand anything, and it is certainly artificial.

Examples?

Not sure what that means.

You have caused me to consult the dictionary; what does artificial mean; there are contexts where your usage works, but this context is not one.

Anything a artist produces would be artificial, but there is always a reality that the artist copies the image of.

Artificial intelligence suggests an artist has made a nonfunctioning image of an existing intelligence, which could be the intelligence of a man, of a cat, or of the imaginary intelligence of a toad stool. But the computer programmer produces real code, not mockery for TV soapy, any intelligence contained in the code will be the projected intelligence of the programmer applied to something good or to something evil.

My first experience with artificial intelligence was where during a programming course a program was written that put a cartoon character was placed on a screen, further code moved the character from one side of the screen to the other, then more code put the sun in the sky, more code put a cloud in place of the sun, then there was code that caused the character to put up an umbrella when the cloud was in the sky and put the umbrella down when the sun was in the sky, making the decision to put up or down the umbrella was called artificial intelligence, and indeed it was artificial and artistic.

There is nothing artistic or artificial about AI, in the first place and on the surface AI is a marketing illusion, underneath is largely undefined. But all roads lead to Rome, or it may be more meaningful to say all roads lead to Globalism.

There is human intelligence and reason and then there is the opposite to this which often embedded in post traumatic stress. As an example we can examine the UN and it's role. There was an episode in Africa, I forget the name of the place, it is notorious for the 1 million people hacked to death with machetes over 24 hours. The UN was there, peace keepers, medical centers, I have met one of the medical people who suffered PTSD and heard his story; the medical center was on the footpath, on the road was men with machetes mingling with UN Peace Keepers. In the medical center, doctors, nurses, bandaged machete wounds, afterwards the wounded returned to the road to be hacked to death, in full view of the peace keepers who observed but did nothing.

People say the UN is a toothless tiger, but the UN is a dragon and there is nothing wrong with it's iron teeth, it's problem is it's non-human brain, it may use AI and a computer.

 

[Strong in Him]

That is what keeps us out of the Kingdom. It was the original sin and the brunt of Jesus' second commandment. Without first understanding how we are backwards and self oriented, we cannot grasp the Kingdom. This world we have made in our own image is a selfish joke.

I'm sorry but I still don't understand your response.
Yes, sin, self-interest and selfishness are no doubt what keep us out of the kingdom - but that wasn't what I was talking about.
My comment was that God's will seems to be more about being than doing; it is God's will that we believe in Jesus, John 6:40 (and those who receive him become children of God, John 1:12). It is God's will that we are sanctified, that we pray continuously, rejoice at all times and be thankful, 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18. All these Scriptures speak of God's will for us.

My experience has always been of Christians who say, "is it God's will for you to do that job/follow that career/attend that church/go to university?" etc. etc. All these things are about what we DO in our Christian lives.
I believe God is far more concerned about who we ARE; his holy, thankful, prayerful children, than what we DO.

That's the point I was making.

 

[Strong in Him]

AI is a misnomer,

Yeah - it stands for Automatic Interference.

 

[Strong in Him]

And yet at the moment it has a pretty accurate and neutral understanding of God

You think a programmed computer tells us more about God than his holy word?

 

[Aaron112]

My comment was that God's will seems to be more about being than doing

I think in NT it says we all should know that we will be judged for everything we do - or rather everything we do will be judged. Not everything we be.

A lot in the OT and NT is about what TO DO. and

especially BE DOERS of the Word and not only hears, for it is the DOERS of the Word who are justified, and those who DO NOT do what TORAH SAYS, are not justified. re Romans 2 , etc

 

[Aaron112]

You think a programmed computer tells us more about God than his holy word?

There is a fair chance it could possibly tell us more about God than preachers and teachers do.

 

[Strong in Him]

I think in NT it says we all should know that we will be judged for everything we do - or rather everything we do will be judged. Not everything we be.

A lot in the OT and NT is about what TO DO. and

especially BE DOERS of the Word and not only hears, for it is the DOERS of the Word who are justified, and those who DO NOT do what TORAH SAYS, are not justified. re Romans 2 , etc

That's not what I said.

When talking about God's will, Christians seem to think it is only about what we DO. I'm not talking about general actions, I'm talking about the question; "is it God's will for me to have this job/go to this church/go to college and study?"
I don't think God minds too much what we do - be a nurse, or be a plumber, get 2 university degrees or none at all. He is far more concerned about what we are - have we accepted his Son? Are we his children? Are we allowing the Spirit to make us holy? Are we thankful, prayerful people?
Even if we find the "right" job, church or whatever, we may still not be doing God's will if we are negative, critical people who are not growing in holiness.

 

[Aaron112]

webnoted:
"God and Our Actions​

The quote “I don’t think God minds too much what we do” suggests a perspective that God is not overly concerned with the specifics of human behavior or actions. Here are some points to consider:

• Relaxation of moral expectations: This quote implies that God may not be as strict or particular about human behavior as traditional religious teachings might suggest. It may be seen as a more lenient or permissive view of God’s nature.
• Focus on inner transformation: Instead of focusing on external actions, this perspective might emphasize the importance of inner transformation, such as a person’s thoughts, feelings, and motivations. According to this view, God is more concerned with the heart and intentions behind our actions rather than the actions themselves.
• Limited scope of divine concern: This quote could be interpreted as suggesting that God’s concern is limited to a specific aspect of human life, such as spiritual growth or salvation, rather than encompassing every detail of human behavior.

It’s essential to note that this perspective may not align with traditional Christian teachings, which often emphasize the importance of obedience to God’s commands and the moral implications of human actions. The Bible does teach that God is concerned with both the inner workings of the heart and the external actions of humans (e.g., Matthew 5:21-22, Romans 12:1-2)."