Generations of Atheists?

[Esdra]

Maslow doesn't say anything about religion. Furthermore, religion is necessarily adopting someone else's philosophy. How does someone really grow into the most they can be, if they simply follow someone else? What value to self is there in achieving someone else's goals?

I agree. He wasn't talking about religion here. And I also don't think that one needs to believe in a religion, to fulfill the need of transcendence.
But he was talking about believe in something that is outside the observable.

What are the facets of this ideology? What are the goals and values of this ideology?

I already talked about that with another poster here. And we came to the conclusion, that it's better to say, that behind Atheism there is a worldview (also confer posts above.)

Well, not all communists are atheists. The Amish, for instance, are communists, but not atheists. Remote African tribes, and even some Native tribes are communist, but not atheist.

Oh, I see the problem here.
I was talking about Marxist-communism, or the political communism here (like the one in the former USSR).
Missunderstanding. Sorry, I expressed myself unclearly.

 

[GenetoJean]

Really not? But that's what's usually said about communists.

And from what I hear Christians are usually called haters. Just because someone is usually called something doesn't make it right.

 

[Esdra]

And from what I hear Christians are usually called haters. Just because someone is usually called something doesn't make it right.

Well, not all communists are atheists. The Amish, for instance, are communists, but not atheists. Remote African tribes, and even some Native tribes are communist, but not atheist.

Oh, I see the problem here.
I was talking about Marxist-communism, or the political communism here (like the one in the former USSR).
Missunderstanding. Sorry, I expressed myself unclearly.

So, I think it is indeed correct to say that political communism (like in the former USSR) is Atheism (with Marxism as ideology.)

 

[JGG]

I agree. He wasn't talking about religion here. And I also don't think that one needs to believe in a religion, to fulfill the need of transcendence.
But he was talking about believe in something that is outside the observable.

Firstly, I don't see that as necessarily true.
Secondly, something outside of the observable does not necessitate god or religion.
Thirdly, Maslow may be wrong.

I already talked about that with another poster here. And we came to the conclusion, that it's better to say, that behind Atheism there is a worldview (also confer posts above.)

Which worldview is that?

Oh, I see the problem here.
I was talking about Marxist-communism, or the political communism here (like the one in the former USSR).
Missunderstanding. Sorry, I expressed myself unclearly.

Then they are statists, not necessarily atheists.

 

[Loudmouth]

If we go by pure statistics, and assume that 15% of the population are atheists then the chances of three consecutive generations being atheist is 0.15*0.15*0.15 or 1 in about 300. This assumes that atheism is independent of upbringing.

 

[JGG]

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So, I think it is indeed correct to say that political communism (like in the former USSR) is Atheism (with Marxism as ideology.)

Isn't political communism just a Marxist ideology?

 

[elephunky]

I have never met an atheist that came from atheist parents if that makes sense. They either came from christian/catholic households or explored different religions before coming to the conclusion that there was nothing out there than from what science can prove.

 

[GenetoJean]

Isn't political communism just a Marxist ideology?

Maybe as it has actually been tried. I would think that the best political mechanism in true communism would be more Democratic/Republic based. Everyone would have an equal say. I just dont see how it can work on a national level but definately can see how it can work in smaller levels.

 

[korvus]

I tend to be 'religious' and 'spritual' with a strong psychological foundation. As far as raising the next generation, understanding the importance of religion and spirituality for human beings, I wouldn't want to start or perpetuate any kind of 'militaristic' atheism, but instead an informed passion-following agnosticism with them having free-will on what they want to believe and follow.

I don't understand (maybe from growing up in a disconnected family) why whether the next generation believes in the same things or not matters. I understand the part that a family should be a close-functioning engine of society, but as far as when people separate from the family to start their own clan, I think it shouldn't matter then.

 

[Desk trauma]

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So, I think it is indeed correct to say that political communism (like in the former USSR) is Atheism (with Marxism as ideology.)

Despite attempts to conflate the two atheism does not equal Marxism. As I said before atheism is a view point on one issue. Thinking that no gods exist does not determine ones view of economics.

 

[Strathos]

Despite attempts to conflate the two atheism does not equal Marxism. As I said before atheism is a view point on one issue. Thinking that no gods exist does not determine ones view of economics.

The fact you're a libertarian atheist seems to illustrate that.