From what law did Paul set us free?

[Dahveed]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday August 25, 2023 at 12:12 pm EDT! Not everyone is "righteous" in their belief in God
Sarah did not show a "righteous" response of obedience to God when she was willing to fix what God asked by using Hagar as a human substitute for God's promise,...This prevalent human act of substituting what God asked for some human idea like Hagar, leads to death because it keeps the sin of disobeying the Ten Commandments, which were given to remove sin when obeyed.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, good to hear from you again!

When was Abraham counted righteous by God?

Abraham believed in God, who gives life to the dead ...
being fully convinced that God fulfills His promise; And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness." Rom 4:17,21,22
Also for us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, Rom 4:23-25

May the grace of God guard your heart and mind through the Lord Jesus Christ!

Through Him you believe in God, Who raised Him up from the dead,...
For the Word of the Lord endures forever; 1 Peter 1:21-25

guevaraj From what law did Paul set us free?

• the law of Judaism
• the law of God

Paul did not deliver anyone from perdition, he was however one of many witnesses.

That the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring light of God’s saving truth to his own people and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:23 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your seed all peoples on earth will be blessed. When God raised up His Servant Jesus, He sent him first to bless each of you...Acts 3:25-26

And as Isaiah said before: “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah.” Rom 9:29-30

The sun comes up
It's a new day dawning
It's time to sing Your song
Bless the Lord oh my soul
Worship His holy name

 

[guevaraj]

When was Abraham counted righteous by God?

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:03 PM EDT! "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" as the proper response to having "believed", which God calls "righteous". God knew Abraham to be "righteous" before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham's belief was different in his obedience to God from that of others' belief. An example of someone who is not "righteous" is Cain, who refused to do what is right, letting sin control him.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

Under the new covenant, Abraham's "faith" that makes us right with God, unlike that of Cain = faith that begins with "believed" God's promise to help us overcome sin + the "righteous" action of obedience to God's Eleven Commandments to complete our "faith" as God helps us to overcome sin's eager control of us. "Faith" is composed of the two parts God mentions Abraham has: Abraham "believed" God's promise & the "righteous" action of obedience to God that he later showed he had to achieve the promise.

FAITH = BELIEVED + RIGHTEOUS​

God, Instead of saying of Abraham that he has the right "faith" in Genesis 15:6, God mentions the two equivalent parts that make up "faith": "believed" and "righteous". To be "righteous" emphasizes the second part of Abraham's proper "faith". It is written in the following passage that the demons "believed" God, trembling in terror, but like Cain above, do not obey God to have "faith", as Abraham was shown to be "righteous" in his obeying God to help him to father many nations. Abraham's "faith" would obey the Eleven Commandments as God helps him to overcome sin, as he helped him to father many nations. Jesus' many forgivenesses prevent our past disobedience from defeating our future obedience, which Jesus knows we can obey "all" the Eleven Commandments with practice to mastery. Practice like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. Practice that is evidenced in the many animal sacrifices of the earthly stand-in copy of the true temple in heaven. Where Jesus dispenses His many forgivenesses as our High Priest for our past sins when we pray for forgiveness. Jesus lives forever to complete the mastery through practice of obedience to the Eleven Commandments. In the following passage, the translators added the word "faith", not found in the original. By adding the word faith, the translators highlighted God's deliberate act of not mentioning the word "faith", because the equivalent of "faith" is the two parts that God mentioned Abraham had from the beginning, but we humans cannot say that Abraham was "righteous", until his obeying "faith" was shown when he offered his son Isaac on the alter.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

The "righteous" part of Abraham's "faith" after he "believed" God, was tested in the following passage and showed Abraham's complete "faith" in God, which God knew was there before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham is "righteous" in him obeying God as his response to having "believed" God's promise. It is only said of Abraham that he had "faith" when he obeyed and not before he obeyed when he first "believed". "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" God and we are saved by "faith" that acts "righteous", obeying God's Eleven Commandments that remove sin when obeyed and not by our having believed alone as demons also believed and are lost because they do not "obey" the Eleven Commandments that overcome sin when obeyed!

It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, even though God had told him, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted.” Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 25, 2023 at 12:03 PM EDT! "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" as the proper response to having "believed", which God calls "righteous". God knew Abraham to be "righteous" before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham's belief was different in his obedience to God from that of others' belief. An example of someone who is not "righteous" is Cain, who refused to do what is right, letting sin control him.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

Under the new covenant, Abraham's "faith" that makes us right with God, unlike that of Cain = faith that begins with "believed" God's promise to help us overcome sin + the "righteous" action of obedience to God's Eleven Commandments to complete our "faith" as God helps us to overcome sin's eager control of us. "Faith" is composed of the two parts God mentions Abraham has: Abraham "believed" God's promise & the "righteous" action of obedience to God that he later showed he had to achieve the promise.

FAITH = BELIEVED + RIGHTEOUS​

God, Instead of saying of Abraham that he has the right "faith" in Genesis 15:6, God mentions the two equivalent parts that make up "faith": "believed" and "righteous". To be "righteous" emphasizes the second part of Abraham's proper "faith". It is written in the following passage that the demons "believed" God, trembling in terror, but like Cain above, do not obey God to have "faith", as Abraham was shown to be "righteous" in his obeying God to help him to father many nations. Abraham's "faith" would obey the Eleven Commandments as God helps him to overcome sin, as he helped him to father many nations. Jesus' many forgivenesses prevent our past disobedience from defeating our future obedience, which Jesus knows we can obey "all" the Eleven Commandments with practice to mastery. Practice like a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. Practice that is evidenced in the many animal sacrifices of the earthly stand-in copy of the true temple in heaven. Where Jesus dispenses His many forgivenesses as our High Priest for our past sins when we pray for forgiveness. Jesus lives forever to complete the mastery through practice of obedience to the Eleven Commandments. In the following passage, the translators added the word "faith", not found in the original. By adding the word faith, the translators highlighted God's deliberate act of not mentioning the word "faith", because the equivalent of "faith" is the two parts that God mentioned Abraham had from the beginning, but we humans cannot say that Abraham was "righteous", until his obeying "faith" was shown when he offered his son Isaac on the alter.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

The "righteous" part of Abraham's "faith" after he "believed" God, was tested in the following passage and showed Abraham's complete "faith" in God, which God knew was there before we humans could say, through the offering of his son Isaac on the altar, that Abraham is "righteous" in him obeying God as his response to having "believed" God's promise. It is only said of Abraham that he had "faith" when he obeyed and not before he obeyed when he first "believed". "Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" God and we are saved by "faith" that acts "righteous", obeying God's Eleven Commandments that remove sin when obeyed and not by our having believed alone as demons also believed and are lost because they do not "obey" the Eleven Commandments that overcome sin when obeyed!

It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, even though God had told him, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted.” Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hello brother!

"Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised?"

That's from Romans 4:10 in the New Living Translation.

Peace be with you, my brother!

 

[Dahveed]

"Believed" alone is not "faith" until you "obey" as the proper response to having "believed", which God calls "righteous".

An example of someone who is not "righteous" is Cain, who refused to do what is right, letting sin control him.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. ...” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God bearing witness...Heb 11:4

Under the new covenant, Abraham's "faith" that makes us right with God, unlike that of Cain = faith that begins with "believed" God's promise ...

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Rom 8:16-17

Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead. (Hebrews 11:17-19 NLT)​

Indeed. "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." John 5:24

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Whoever believes in him is not judged; whoever doesn’t believe in him is already judged, because they don’t believe in the name of God’s only Son. John 3:18
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Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, 1 John 5:1

Brother, happy Sabbath, ...

Happy Resurrection day.

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, ...Rev 20:6

Offering up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2:4-6

Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. Eph 2:18-22

For no one can lay any foundation other than what has been laid down. That foundation is that Jesus Christ is Lord of All. 1 Cor 3:11

God accepts from every nation the one who reveres him, and does what is right.
You know the Word God sent to His people, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
Acts 10:35-36 The Great Shepherd. 1 Peter 2:25 Now that this faith has come, we are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:25-29
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I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:10

Christ is risen from the dead
death could not hold Him
Come awake and rise up from the grave (Ephesians 5:14)

 

[guevaraj]

"Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised?" That's from Romans 4:10 in the New Living Translation.

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:54 PM EDT! Your question comes from a false translation! Where the translators have substituted the noun "righteousness" for an adjective of a different meaning, "righteous", which is not found in the original. "Righteousness" does not describe a person but a collection of actions a person will do if they are "righteous". A "righteous" person does "all" the actions that fall within the "righteousness" collection of actions and not just one single action. God did not say Abraham was "righteous" and instead said that Abraham had done one thing that falls in the collection of actions known as "righteousness". Abraham is said to have done a single act of "righteousness" and not that "all" his actions are "righteous". The translaters have tried to say something like a child is an adult (righteous) because he stands up (believed) when the child cannot even speak (righteousness) to be considered an adult (righteous). The words "righteousness" and "righteous" are not interchangeable. The translators have forced the use of the adjective "righteous" instead of the noun "righteousness", to force the message to describe the person, rather than saying something about the single action in Genesis 15:6 belonging to the collection of "all" the actions of "righteousness" a person can do, but can choose not to do. The following passage uses both words together to show the distinction between the two meanings of these words, which are not interchangeable.

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:24 NLT fixed)​

The corrected translation below uses the original noun "righteousness" and not the other meaning adjective "righteous", which would give a different message. The translators changed the message from the misunderstood description of a person's character doing "all" that is right, when the original message refers to the single action of having "believed" belonging to the collection of actions that God considers "righteousness" or right action on the part of a person.

And Abram believed (aman) the LORD, and the LORD counted it to him as righteousness (noun). (Genesis 15:6 NLT fixed)​

The original message says that Abraham's single act of having "believed" God is an act within "all" the collection of actions that God considers "righteousness" and not that Abraham is pronounced "righteous" in "all" he does from here on out. He has done a single "righteous" act and the original message does not say that he is "righteous" in "all" he does, as implied by the substitution of the word "righteous" for the original word "righteousness". That act of having believed serves as a single example to all of us before he followed it through with his obedience to circumcision. In the following passage, we have the opposite to Abraham having believed God. Moses had not believed God when he did not demonstrate God's holiness before the people. Moses' disobedient action does not fall into the collection of "all" the actions that are part of "righteousness".

But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not believe (aman) me enough to demonstrate my holiness to the people of Israel, you will not lead them into the land I am giving them!” (Numbers 20:12 NLT fixed)​

A neighbor tried to defend the translators by saying that when you steal you are a thief from then on, but that analogy does not apply here. Doing a single righteous act does not make you righteous from then on in all that you do, as found to be false in the case of Moses' punishment, a message the translators forced using the word "righteous", when God used a different word, "righteousness", because He is saying something different than what the translators want Him to say. We are not doing "all" that falls within "righteousness" when we do not believe God's message, which is demonstrated when some of our actions do not fall within "all" that God considers "righteousness" or right actions on the part of a person. This changes the previously mentioned equation from James 2:19 to 24:

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:54 PM EDT! Your question comes from a false translation!

Hello brother, good to hear from you again!

No problem, we'll just ask the question in Greek
Ὁ μακαρισμὸς οὖν οὗτος ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν?

Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 4:9 - SBL Greek New Testament

Ὁ μακαρισμὸς οὖν οὗτος ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν; λέγομεν γάρ· Ἐλογίσθη τῷ Ἀβραὰμ ἡ πίστις εἰς δικαιοσύνην.

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Where the translators have substituted the noun "righteousness" for an adjective of a different meaning, "righteous", which is not found in the original. "Righteousness" does not describe a person but a collection of actions a person will do if they are "righteous". A "righteous" person does "all" the actions that fall within the "righteousness" collection of actions and not just one single action. God did not say Abraham was "righteous" and instead said that Abraham had done one thing that falls in the collection of actions known as "righteousness". Abraham is said to have done a single act of "righteousness" and not that "all" his actions are "righteous". The translaters have tried to say something like a child is an adult (righteous) because he stands up (believed) when the child cannot even speak (righteousness) to be considered an adult (righteous). The words "righteousness" and "righteous" are not interchangeable. The translators have forced the use of the adjective "righteous" instead of the noun "righteousness", to force the message to describe the person, rather than saying something about the single action in Genesis 15:6 belonging to the collection of "all" the actions of "righteousness" a person can do, but can choose not to do. The following passage uses both words together to show the distinction between the two meanings of these words, which are not interchangeable.

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:24 NLT fixed)​

The corrected translation below uses the original noun "righteousness" and not the other meaning adjective "righteous", which would give a different message. The translators changed the message from the misunderstood description of a person's character doing "all" that is right, when the original message refers to the single action of having "believed" belonging to the collection of actions that God considers "righteousness" or right action on the part of a person.

And Abram believed (aman) the LORD, and the LORD counted it to him as righteousness (noun). (Genesis 15:6 NLT fixed)​

The original message says that Abraham's single act of having "believed" God is an act within "all" the collection of actions that God considers "righteousness" and not that Abraham is pronounced "righteous" in "all" he does from here on out. He has done a single "righteous" act and the original message does not say that he is "righteous" in "all" he does, as implied by the substitution of the word "righteous" for the original word "righteousness". That act of having believed serves as a single example to all of us before he followed it through with his obedience to circumcision. In the following passage, we have the opposite to Abraham having believed God. Moses had not believed God when he did not demonstrate God's holiness before the people. Moses' disobedient action does not fall into the collection of "all" the actions that are part of "righteousness".

But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not believe (aman) me enough to demonstrate my holiness to the people of Israel, you will not lead them into the land I am giving them!” (Numbers 20:12 NLT fixed)​

A neighbor tried to defend the translators by saying that when you steal you are a thief from then on, but that analogy does not apply here. Doing a single righteous act does not make you righteous from then on in all that you do, as found to be false in the case of Moses' punishment, a message the translators forced using the word "righteous", when God used a different word, "righteousness", because He is saying something different than what the translators want Him to say. We are not doing "all" that falls within "righteousness" when we do not believe God's message, which is demonstrated when some of our actions do not fall within "all" that God considers "righteousness" or right actions on the part of a person. This changes the previously mentioned equation from James 2:19 to 24:

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Dahveed]

For He indeed gives help to Abraham’s seed; Heb 2:16-17

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:54 PM EDT! Your question comes from a false translation!

How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe; Rom 4:10-11

And Abram believed (aman) the LORD, and the LORD counted it to him as righteousness (noun). (Genesis 15:6 NLT fixed)

Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. Gal 3:7

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

For it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s seed. Rom 9:8

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:25-29

He said to Abraham, ‘Through your seed all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ Acts 3:25-26

 

[guevaraj]

Ὁ μακαρισμὸς οὖν οὗτος ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν?
Translation: So, is this blessing (makarios) for the circumcision or also for the uncircumcision?

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:45 p.m. EDT! Did Abraham receive the "blessing" of forgiveness for past sins before the work of "circumcision" when he "believed"? Yeah! Was Abraham considered "righteous" (adjective) when he believed? No! Did Abraham have "faith" without having done any work such as "circumcision"? Yeah! How is this possible when "faith" must have at least one act of obedient "righteousness" to be faith rather than just belief that is not faith? Abraham has "faith" because his having "believed" was also credited to him as an act of "righteousness", as if he had done work to complete his "faith". He was rewarded for his faith with forgiveness without having performed a single act of obedient "righteousness", such as circumcision. This "blessing" is made clear in David's forgiveness for taking another man's wife. Then murdering her husband, to hide the initial sin of disobeying the seventh commandment with another sin of disobeying the sixth commandment. God helped him see his sins by making him judge his actions as if they were done by another man, before telling him that he was the man he had judged, but that God had forgiven him and that he would not die for these sins.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

David, having believed, is also "faith" without having done any work of obedience such as the animal sacrifices in the temple, because David, having believed, was also credited to him as an obedient act of "righteousness", completing his faith that granted him forgiveness. David had "faith" which must have at least one act of obedient work without having worked, because having believed that he had sinned is also credited to him as work that completes his faith. Before being credited with work, it was belief without a single act of obedience, which is not "faith" until at least one act of obedient "righteousness" is done. The key to understanding this "blessing" is David's forgiveness for his disobedience in taking another man's wife. David did not ask for forgiveness or do the work that others had to do to obtain forgiveness in the temple.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

David is the best example of someone who was "blessed" with forgiveness for his "faith" before he did any work that shows he has "faith" rather than just belief without works of "righteousness". A faith that grants him forgiveness when God also gave him credit, as if he had done obedient work of "righteousness" in having believed he had sinned. David, having believed he was a sinner, was credited also as having done at least one obedient work of "righteousness", completing his faith. God attributed this belief that David had sinned to also having worked to complete his faith, a faith that earned David's forgiveness without actually having done any normal works of "righteousness" for his forgiveness in the temple. David's experience confirms that "faith" is obtained by completing two parts: David believed God that he was guilty of sin, plus at least one obedient act of "righteousness" that completes our faith. In this case, having believed that he had sinned, God credited it also as an act of obedient "righteousness", so that he gained the "faith" that grants forgiveness without having done a single act of work of "righteousness" as others have to do in the temple, in accordance with God's regular works of "righteousness" in the temple to obtain God's forgiveness for past sins.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham's having believed was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

David, like Abraham, was forgiven for his past sins when God accepted him by crediting his having "believed" as an act of "righteousness" among the many more acts of "righteousness" they would do. They followed that first act by obeying all that God asked of them, thus making them "righteous" over time. Being "righteous" is a pattern of many "righteousness" actions and not the single act of having "believed".

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God credited to him as righteousness (noun).” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

That you become "righteous" the minute you believe without the need for growth in "righteousness" is a human invention not expressed by God when Abraham and David "believed".

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:24 NLT fixed)​

David's "faith", like Abraham's "faith", grew as they grew in the "righteousness" of obeying God.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:45 p.m. EDT! Did Abraham receive the "blessing" of forgiveness for past sins before the work of "circumcision" when he "believed"? Yeah!

I'm glad we agree there, my brother

Was Abraham considered "righteous" (adjective) when he believed? No!

But it wasn't just ἐπεκαλύφθησαν αἱ ἁμαρτίαι that is the blessing, but also οὐ μὴ λογίσηται ἁμαρτίαν. If sin isn't counted on you, is that somehow different from being counted righteous?

Do tell. And peace be with you, my brother!

Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 4:7-8 - SBL Greek New Testament

Μακάριοι ὧν ἀφέθησαν αἱ ἀνομίαι καὶ ὧν ἐπεκαλύφθησαν αἱ ἁμαρτίαι, μακάριος ἀνὴρ οὗ οὐ μὴ λογίσηται κύριος ἁμαρτίαν.

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Did Abraham have "faith" without having done any work such as "circumcision"? Yeah! How is this possible when "faith" must have at least one act of obedient "righteousness" to be faith rather than just belief that is not faith? Abraham has "faith" because his having "believed" was also credited to him as an act of "righteousness", as if he had done work to complete his "faith". He was rewarded for his faith with forgiveness without having performed a single act of obedient "righteousness", such as circumcision. This "blessing" is made clear in David's forgiveness for taking another man's wife. Then murdering her husband, to hide the initial sin of disobeying the seventh commandment with another sin of disobeying the sixth commandment. God helped him see his sins by making him judge his actions as if they were done by another man, before telling him that he was the man he had judged, but that God had forgiven him and that he would not die for these sins.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

David, having believed, is also "faith" without having done any work of obedience such as the animal sacrifices in the temple, because David, having believed, was also credited to him as an obedient act of "righteousness", completing his faith that granted him forgiveness. David had "faith" which must have at least one act of obedient work without having worked, because having believed that he had sinned is also credited to him as work that completes his faith. Before being credited with work, it was belief without a single act of obedience, which is not "faith" until at least one act of obedient "righteousness" is done. The key to understanding this "blessing" is David's forgiveness for his disobedience in taking another man's wife. David did not ask for forgiveness or do the work that others had to do to obtain forgiveness in the temple.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

David is the best example of someone who was "blessed" with forgiveness for his "faith" before he did any work that shows he has "faith" rather than just belief without works of "righteousness". A faith that grants him forgiveness when God also gave him credit, as if he had done obedient work of "righteousness" in having believed he had sinned. David, having believed he was a sinner, was credited also as having done at least one obedient work of "righteousness", completing his faith. God attributed this belief that David had sinned to also having worked to complete his faith, a faith that earned David's forgiveness without actually having done any normal works of "righteousness" for his forgiveness in the temple. David's experience confirms that "faith" is obtained by completing two parts: David believed God that he was guilty of sin, plus at least one obedient act of "righteousness" that completes our faith. In this case, having believed that he had sinned, God credited it also as an act of obedient "righteousness", so that he gained the "faith" that grants forgiveness without having done a single act of work of "righteousness" as others have to do in the temple, in accordance with God's regular works of "righteousness" in the temple to obtain God's forgiveness for past sins.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham's having believed was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

David, like Abraham, was forgiven for his past sins when God accepted him by crediting his having "believed" as an act of "righteousness" among the many more acts of "righteousness" they would do. They followed that first act by obeying all that God asked of them, thus making them "righteous" over time. Being "righteous" is a pattern of many "righteousness" actions and not the single act of having "believed".

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God credited to him as righteousness (noun).” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT fixed)​

That you become "righteous" the minute you believe without the need for growth in "righteousness" is a human invention not expressed by God when Abraham and David "believed".

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:24 NLT fixed)​

David's "faith", like Abraham's "faith", grew as they grew in the "righteousness" of obeying God.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

If sin isn't counted on you, is that somehow different from being counted righteous?

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:36 PM EDT! The key to understanding the second passage below is David's forgiveness for taking another man's wife. David showed that his prior works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin and how God handled his fall into sin. To understand how your faith can fail when you do not obey all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun), the following passage tells us about the first human whose works of faith failed by substituting what God asked for his own human ideas of what should be done instead. Cain was lost to sin because of his unwillingness to obey God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin. Similarly, the reason David's works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin is because Judaism obeys human traditions that keep them from obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin. The lesson to learn from Abraham to gain mastery over sin is the obedience Abraham showed when he was willing to offer his son at the altar. We need to trust that God is the only one who knows the way to gain mastery over sin by separating ourselves from human traditions like the Jewish Saturday and the Christian Sunday that keep us from obeying God's true Biblical Sabbath to gain the strength to stop sinning when Jesus comes back, for the "righteous" who share Abraham's obedience.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

What David received without having worked as a blessing (makarios) is the initial forgiveness for past sins for his new faith before you can show you are "righteous" (adjective) through growth in obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin. It will take many forgivenesses at the temple to grow up in God's given works of "righteousness" to show you are "righteous" (adjective). David's experience shows that God will count future sins against those whose works of faith have failed to give them mastery over sin!

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

David's life shows that it takes a lot of growth to be "righteous" (adjective), making sure you obey all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision. God made these given works of growth possible to obey through the cycle of "forgiveness" of past sins through many animal sacrifices until all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) are obeyed. The cycle of forgiveness begins with the "blessing" (makarios) of initial forgiveness when you obey at least one act of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) until all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) are obeyed. David started all over again the cycle of forgiveness through animal sacrifices, once again being initially forgiven through the "blessing" (makarios) of forgiveness like the one Abraham received for having believed, where his having believed is also credited to him as his first act of "righteousness" (noun), completing David's new faith once again. David started over, his prior works of faith having failed to give him mastery over sin. Fortunately, God was able to recommit David to his growth cycle for David to get another chance at gaining mastery over sin.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

Having believed God that he had sinned by breaking the Seventh Commandment was also credited to David as his first act of "righteousness" (noun) that completed his new faith. It was his first act, because David had sinned by taking another man's wife, which meant that all his prior acts of "righteousness" were forgotten. Through the "blessing" (makarios) of forgiveness that Abraham received where his having believed was also credited to him as having done an act of "righteousness" (noun), David was initially forgiven for his new faith before doing any further regular works of "righteousness" (noun) at the temple. After studying the blessing (makarios) of initial forgiveness in the Romans passage above, the popular belief of "Righteousness by Faith" seems to me to be a misunderstanding of the need to have done at least one act of "righteousness" (noun) to complete our faith after having believed. The special case of having faith without having done any normal works of "righteousness" (noun) was poorly understood when having believed is also credited as an act of "righteousness" (noun) completing our faith before doing any further normal works of "righteousness" (noun) like circumcision in the case of Abraham.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

Any further growth in God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) by David through the cycle of forgiveness would be obtained at the temple by doing the regular works of "righteousness" (noun) like animal sacrifices. The first initial forgiveness through the "blessing" (makarios) was free of the regular given works of "righteousness" like animal sacrifices, but any further growth would require the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple for the forgiveness of any additional sins in the future. Unless your prior works of faith fail to give you victory over sin, like David's prior works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin. We can only hope, like in David's case, that God is able to reach out to you again to start the cycle of growth all over again with the "blessing" (makarios) of initial forgiveness without having done the regular given works of "righteousness" at the temple. If you get this "blessing" (makarios) again as David did, it means your prior works of faith have failed to give you mastery over sin. Like David's prior works of faith had, before taking another man's wife, failed to give him mastery over sin through God's cycle of forgivenesses to grow by practicing obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) until gaining mastery over sin. David having sinned by taking another man's wife meant that all his prior acts of "righteousness" were forgotten. He would have died for this sin had God not led him through the prophet Nathan to once again a proper new faith in working toward mastery over sin.

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:23-26 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:36 PM EDT! The key to understanding the second passage below is David's forgiveness for taking another man's wife. David showed that his prior works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin and how God handled his fall into sin. To understand how your faith can fail when you do not obey all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun), the following passage tells us about the first human whose works of faith failed by substituting what God asked for his own human ideas of what should be done instead. Cain was lost to sin because of his unwillingness to obey God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin. Similarly, the reason David's works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin is because Judaism obeys human traditions that keep them from obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin. The lesson to learn from Abraham to gain mastery over sin is the obedience Abraham showed when he was willing to offer his son at the altar. We need to trust that God is the only one who knows the way to gain mastery over sin by separating ourselves from human traditions like the Jewish Saturday and the Christian Sunday that keep us from obeying God's true Biblical Sabbath to gain the strength to stop sinning when Jesus comes back, for the "righteous" who share Abraham's obedience.

“Why are you so angry?” the LORD asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected? You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.” (Genesis 4:6-7 NLT)​

What David received without having worked as a blessing (makarios) is the initial forgiveness for past sins for his new faith before you can show you are "righteous" (adjective) through growth in obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) to gain mastery over sin.

Hello brother, good to hear from you again!

As it relates to Abraham, the question is
Ὁ μακαρισμὸς οὖν οὗτος ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

It will take many forgivenesses at the temple to grow up in God's given works of "righteousness" to show you are "righteous" (adjective). David's experience shows that God will count future sins against those whose works of faith have failed to give them mastery over sin!

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

David's life shows that it takes a lot of growth to be "righteous" (adjective), making sure you obey all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision. God made these given works of growth possible to obey through the cycle of "forgiveness" of past sins through many animal sacrifices until all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) are obeyed. The cycle of forgiveness begins with the "blessing" (makarios) of initial forgiveness when you obey at least one act of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) until all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) are obeyed. David started all over again the cycle of forgiveness through animal sacrifices, once again being initially forgiven through the "blessing" (makarios) of forgiveness like the one Abraham received for having believed, where his having believed is also credited to him as his first act of "righteousness" (noun), completing David's new faith once again. David started over, his prior works of faith having failed to give him mastery over sin. Fortunately, God was able to recommit David to his growth cycle for David to get another chance at gaining mastery over sin.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

Having believed God that he had sinned by breaking the Seventh Commandment was also credited to David as his first act of "righteousness" (noun) that completed his new faith. It was his first act, because David had sinned by taking another man's wife, which meant that all his prior acts of "righteousness" were forgotten. Through the "blessing" (makarios) of forgiveness that Abraham received where his having believed was also credited to him as having done an act of "righteousness" (noun), David was initially forgiven for his new faith before doing any further regular works of "righteousness" (noun) at the temple. After studying the blessing (makarios) of initial forgiveness in the Romans passage above, the popular belief of "Righteousness by Faith" seems to me to be a misunderstanding of the need to have done at least one act of "righteousness" (noun) to complete our faith after having believed. The special case of having faith without having done any normal works of "righteousness" (noun) was poorly understood when having believed is also credited as an act of "righteousness" (noun) completing our faith before doing any further normal works of "righteousness" (noun) like circumcision in the case of Abraham.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

Any further growth in God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) by David through the cycle of forgiveness would be obtained at the temple by doing the regular works of "righteousness" (noun) like animal sacrifices. The first initial forgiveness through the "blessing" (makarios) was free of the regular given works of "righteousness" like animal sacrifices, but any further growth would require the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple for the forgiveness of any additional sins in the future. Unless your prior works of faith fail to give you victory over sin, like David's prior works of faith failed to give him mastery over sin. We can only hope, like in David's case, that God is able to reach out to you again to start the cycle of growth all over again with the "blessing" (makarios) of initial forgiveness without having done the regular given works of "righteousness" at the temple. If you get this "blessing" (makarios) again as David did, it means your prior works of faith have failed to give you mastery over sin. Like David's prior works of faith had, before taking another man's wife, failed to give him mastery over sin through God's cycle of forgivenesses to grow by practicing obeying all of God's given works of "righteousness" (noun) until gaining mastery over sin. David having sinned by taking another man's wife meant that all his prior acts of "righteousness" were forgotten. He would have died for this sin had God not led him through the prophet Nathan to once again a proper new faith in working toward mastery over sin.

“Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. However, if righteous (adjective) people turn from their righteousness (noun) and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. (Ezekiel 18:23-26 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BNR32FAN]

The word "sacrifices" crossed out after the word "daily", is not in the original and was added to the Septuagint Hebrew to Greek translation. The translators, thinking they were helping, when Jesus' "daily" forgivenesses do not cause Him to die over and over again, to forgive our past sins

The Septuagint was written by Jewish Pharisees 200 years before Jesus’ ministry. They didn’t know anything about Jesus when it was written.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Brother, you are relying on a bad translation you prefer over a better translation in the following passage! Paul knows that the Ten Commandments can be sabotaged by human rules, as in the story of Hagar, so that they don't take away sin. This sabotage is found in Judaism. For this reason, instead of focusing on obedience to the law of Judaism, as Judaism did by making up their own rules to help them obey the law of God, Paul focused on the purpose of the Ten Commandments to remove sin. By focusing on sin instead of obedience to the law of Judaism, Paul protects God's Ten Commandments from human rules that sabotage the purpose of God's law to take away sin when obeyed.

For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances (human rules), that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. (Ephesians 2:14-16 ESV)​

We need to do what God asks and not follow our own human rules, because God is not a "blind guide" to use laws to remove sin that our own rules do not remove. Judaism leads to death because they have substituted many of God's laws with their own rules that do not remove sin. Paul wants you to keep the law of God without talking about obedience to the law of Judaism when he focuses instead on the purpose of the law of God to take away sin when obeyed.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The Jews didn’t substitute God’s laws with their own they tried to better define His laws in an attempt to keep from breaking them. For example they were commanded not to do any work on certain days which caused a lot of confusion on what was to be considered as being work. So they made laws defining what they thought work was considered to be. This is just one example but there are many others like this in Judaism.

 

[guevaraj]

As it relates to Abraham, the question is
Ὁ μακαρισμὸς οὖν οὗτος ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

Translation from Greek: So, is this blessing (makarios) for the circumcision or also for the uncircumcision?
Brother, the Romans passage below reveals that faith requires you to obey at least one act of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision, to turn your having belief into having faith. Faith that remains as long as you continue obeying all further God-given works of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

To understand the "blessing" (makarios) further regarding how you can lose your faith and how you might receive this "blessing" (makarios) again, the following passage in Romans refers you to David's experience with having sinned by taking another man's wife.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the Romans passage below reveals that faith requires you to obey at least one act of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision, to turn your having belief into having faith. Faith that remains as long as you continue obeying all further God-given works of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

To understand the "blessing" (makarios) further regarding how you can lose your faith and how you might receive this "blessing" (makarios) again, the following passage in Romans refers you to David's experience with having sinned by taking another man's wife.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hello brother! Please don't put your own words inside the quote box attributed to me

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the Romans passage below reveals that faith requires you to obey at least one act of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision, to turn your having belief into having faith. Faith that remains as long as you continue obeying all further God-given works of "righteousness" (noun), like circumcision.

FAITH (noun) = BELIEVED (verb) + RIGHTEOUSNESS (noun)​

To understand the "blessing" (makarios) further regarding how you can lose your faith and how you might receive this "blessing" (makarios) again, the following passage in Romans refers you to David's experience with having sinned by taking another man's wife.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

What's your answer? There's only two choices
ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

 

[Leaf473]

For anyone who's interested, an interlinear translation of Romans 4 is available here

Romans 4 Interlinear Bible

 

[guevaraj]

What's your answer? There's only two choices
ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

Translation from Greek: for the circumcision or also for the uncircumcision?
Brother, the blessing of initial forgiveness for past sins is available to all sinners, whether Jew or Gentile. What it is not is a free pass to sin, as David could have been lost like Cain if God had not helped him further through the prophet Nathan. As a sinner after having taken another man's wife, David was no different from a Gentile, so the blessing is also available to Gentiles who could be added to God's people like Ruth in the Bible.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Translation from Greek: for the circumcision or also for the uncircumcision?
Brother, the blessing of initial forgiveness for past sins is available to all sinners, whether Jew or Gentile. What it is not is a free pass to sin, as David could have been lost like Cain if God had not helped him further through the prophet Nathan. As a sinner after having taken another man's wife, David was no different from a Gentile, so the blessing is also available to Gentiles who could be added to God's people like Ruth in the Bible.

Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. (2 Samuel 12:13 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay... which one are you choosing?

ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

 

[guevaraj]

Okay... which one are you choosing?
ἐπὶ τὴν περιτομὴν ἢ καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκροβυστίαν;

Translation from Greek: on the circumcision or also on the uncircumcision?
Brother, available "also on the uncircumcision"! God is the God of every human being and He treats Jews and Gentiles equally. This is how, when his people disobeyed, they lost in battle because they were no different from their disobedient enemy who won the battle by having greater numbers without his people having God treat them differently when they obeyed and not because they were Jews. To further understand the "blessing" (makarios) in regards to how you might receive this "blessing" (makarios) again after sinning, the following passage in Romans refers you to David's experience of having sinned by taking another man's wife.

When people work, their wages are not by grace, but something they have earned. But people's faith is credited as righteousness (noun), not due to work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the blessing (makarios) of those who are credited with righteousness (noun) without having worked for it: “Oh, what blessing (makarios) for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what blessing (makarios) for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing (makarios) only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham, having believed, was credited as righteousness (noun). But how did this happen? Was his faith credited as righteousness (noun) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge