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From what law did Paul set us free?

From what law did Paul set us free?

  • the law of Judaism

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  • the law of God

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It's too bad you will reject scripture that you don't like. Once we start doing that it's a long trail to the bottom of the mountsain.
But if you have faith, believe in Christ, you can remove the obstacle.
I've seen it before. I used to post on a site that a guy did who rejected the idea that Job was a righteous man.
Job would have called him a miserable comforter.
He insisted that Job was self righteous.
Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. Job 16:19
For I know that my Redeemer lives, Job 19:25
I agree that what is in scripture isn't meaningless. However if we store misunderstandings of scripture in our minds it has a very negative affect on us. We become what we believe.
He became the source of eternal salvation for all who [believe] Him. (Heb 5:9-10)

 
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But if you have faith, believe in Christ, you can remove the obstacle.

Job would have called him a miserable comforter.

Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. Job 16:19
For I know that my Redeemer lives, Job 19:25

He became the source of eternal salvation for all who [believe] Him. (Heb 5:9-10)

How is it faith to contradict what God has commanded? That is presumption. As you said of Job's three friends, miserable comforters as they rejected what God teaches about Himself too.
 
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But if you have faith, believe in Christ, you can remove the obstacle.

Job would have called him a miserable comforter.

Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. Job 16:19
For I know that my Redeemer lives, Job 19:25

He became the source of eternal salvation for all who [believe] Him. (Heb 5:9-10)

How is it faith to contradict what God has commanded?
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.” John 6:29
That is presumption.
Why would you find it presumptuous that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:8)
As you said of Job's three friends, miserable comforters as they rejected what God teaches about Himself too.
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, 1 John 5:1 ...has passed from death into life. John 5:24
 
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“The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.” John 6:29

Why would you find it presumptuous that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:8)

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, 1 John 5:1 ...has passed from death into life. John 5:24
So you ignored my first question to you. Here it is again. How is it faith to ignore what God has commanded?
 
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“The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.” John 6:29

Why would you find it presumptuous that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:8)

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, 1 John 5:1 ...has passed from death into life. John 5:24
So you ignored my first question to you. Here it is again. How is it faith to ignore what God has commanded?
You ignored that outside of Christ, no one can come to the Father. (John 14:6)
 
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You ignored that outside of Christ, no one can come to the Father. (John 14:6)
Yes I did. I did it because you ignored my question.
Don't put the blame on me, you've been ignoring Christ because of the blindness of your heart.
You answer mine and I'll answer yours.
But in truth grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—Eph 4:15-18 Who is all and in all. Col 3:10-11
 
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Don't put the blame on me, you've been ignoring Christ because of the blindness of your heart.

But in truth grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—Eph 4:15-18 Who is all and in all. Col 3:10-11
Here is the question again. How is it faith to contradict God's commands?
 
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But in truth grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—Eph 4:15-18 Who is all and in all. Col 3:10-11
Here is the question again. How is it faith to contradict God's commands?
How on earth would faith in Christ be contrary to God? (God, who cannot lie, promised and has in due time manifested Titus 1:2-4)
Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? 2 Cor 13:5
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rom 8:9
 
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How on earth would faith in Christ be contrary to God? (God, who cannot lie, promised and has in due time manifested Titus 1:2-4)
Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? 2 Cor 13:5
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Rom 8:9
That is not what you replied to that I posted. I made the comment to someone else that it was too bad he rejected scripture he did not like. To that you replied that faith in God removes all obstacles. How can the obstacle of not believing all scripture be removed by faith when the issue of not believing scripture is caused by a lack of faith?
 
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Brothers and Sisters, Paul assumes the listener knows what is written elsewhere and uses summary words like "the law" where the word has already been expanded elsewhere. When Paul uses the word law, unqualified, he is referring to the law of Judaism Jesus has freed us from as accepted in the Jerusalem council expressed by James. The Jerusalem council did not abandon Moses and everything that came before Moses when it provided a seed list to add to, allowing the adoption of Moses and everything before Moses by the gentiles who were turning to God free of the added human traditions of Judaism that Jesus was against in the following passage.

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

James was not limiting what we need to obey, he was giving us permission to adopt Moses without forcing the human traditions of Judaism on us Gentiles, as we turn to God by giving us a seed, a beginning to add to. James saw us as the fulfillment of the prophecy where God would "restore the fallen house of David" as we listened to Moses every Sabbath. What that means is the equivalent of continuing Judaism without human traditions. The human traditions in Judaism led to death by sabotaging God's Ten Commandments so as not to take away sin that would otherwise have been taken away if they had done what God asked, instead of replacing what God asked with their own rules, in their "human effort" to help them obey the law by sabotaging the law so as not to take away sin, which made the law easier to bear. For example, in order not to use God's name in vain, Judaism added the human rule not to pronounce God's name to help obey God's law by preventing them from having to learn not to misuse His name. Judaism managed to bypass the active part of taking away their sin by replacing God's law with their own rule not to utter God's name at all.

When they had finished, James stood and said, “Brothers, listen to me. Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written: ‘Afterward I will return and restore the fallen house of David. I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity might seek the LORD, including the Gentiles—all those I have called to be mine. The LORD has spoken—he who made these things known so long ago.’ “And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. For these laws of Moses has been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” (Acts 15:13-21 NLT fixed)​

Paul is against the "human effort" in Judaism, as in the story of Hagar, to sabotage the law of God to not remove sin, sin that the law of God is meant to remove. For example, Judaism obeyed not to misuse God's name by not pronouncing His name at all, when their human rule stops the purpose of God's Commandment to separate the sin of misusing His name from our character thanks to the practice gained by the cycle of forgiveness made clear in the animal sacrifices. God's Commandment is meant to separate that sin from our character, that Judaism prevented with their rule that leads to death, because they are preventing God's laws from separating sin from our character.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law (of Judaism), does that mean we can go on sinning (lawlessness)? Of course not (don't misunderstand God's grace)! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey (sin or God)? You can be a slave to sin (lawlessness), which leads to death (like Judaism's example of sabotaging God's Ten Commandments to not remove sin), or you can choose to obey God (Eleven Commandments), which leads to righteous living (freedom from sin). Thank God (Jesus's many forgivenesses as our High Priest allowing us to grow in obedience through practice of the Eleven Commandments)! Once you were slaves of sin (lawlessness), but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you (Eleven Commandments). Now you are free from your slavery to sin (when you obey God's Eleven Commandments), and you have become slaves to righteous living (obeying the Eleven Commandments). (Romans 6:15-18 NLT)​

The sabotage of God's law found in Judaism, like the sabotage in the "human effort" in the story of Hagar, is expressed in the following passage.

Tell me, you who want to live under the law (the rules of Judaism that does not remove sin), do you know what the law actually says? (The law says what is sin) The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise (the promise to remove sin from our character). But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise. These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them (Judaism is enslaved in sin because they sabotaged God's law to not remove sin). And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery (slavery to sin) to the law (added by the translators, not found in the original). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman (free from sin), and she is our mother. As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman, you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman now has more children than the woman who lives with her husband!” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise (the promise to remove sin from our character), just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law (the rules of Judaism that does not remove sin), just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman; we are children of the free woman. (Galatians 4:21-31 NLT fixed)​

Hagar's son to Abraham came from the human will and not from God's will to give Abraham a son through Hagar. Hagar is not the will of God expressed on Mount Sinai but the "human attempt" to fulfill the will of God expressed on Mount Sinai. Therefore, it is not God's laws that are tied to Hagar, but human rules found in Judaism that come from sinful "blind guides" to use laws to accomplish God's will expressed on Mount Sinai, that Jesus says in the following passage: "shut the door of the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces". It is not God's laws expressed on Mount Sinai that "shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces", it is Judaism's human replacement rules for God's laws that "shut the door of the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces".

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. (Matthew 23:13-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
guevaraj, my man, how's it going!

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That is not what you replied to that I posted. I made the comment to someone else that it was too bad he rejected scripture he did not like. To that you replied that faith in God removes all obstacles.
You said something to the effect of a lack of faith hinders your spiritual growth and leads you to a valley of doubt, surrounded by mountains of obstacles. If the poster (from another forum) that you mentioned ignores the entire book of Hebrews, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. So that those who are called may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance. Heb 9:14-15
How can the obstacle of not believing all scripture be removed by faith when the issue of not believing scripture is caused by a lack of faith?
Looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
 
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You said something to the effect of a lack of faith hinders your spiritual growth and leads you to a valley of doubt, surrounded by mountains of obstacles. If the poster (from another forum) that you mentioned ignores the entire book of Hebrews, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. So that those who are called may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance. Heb 9:14-15

Looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
The problem is that Jesus told us when He healed the two blind beggars that His healing power will only work according to our faith in Him.

Mat 9:27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.
Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mat 9:30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.
 
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You said something to the effect of a lack of faith hinders your spiritual growth and leads you to a valley of doubt, surrounded by mountains of obstacles. If the poster (from another forum) that you mentioned ignores the entire book of Hebrews, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. So that those who are called may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance. Heb 9:14-15

Looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
The problem is that Jesus told us when He healed the two blind beggars that His healing power will only work according to our faith in Him.
Some see it as a problem, while others see it as a solution.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption; Col 1:12-15
 
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Some see it as a problem, while others see it as a solution.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption; Col 1:12-15
I can see I just need to agree to disagree with you again.
 
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Abraham was counted righteous before he was circumcised. That was before Isaac was born, if I remember right.
Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday August 25, 2023 at 12:12 pm EDT! Not everyone is "righteous" in their belief in God. In the following passage, it is Abraham's proper response to "obey" that made him "righteous" before God or acting rightly before God. Abraham's "right" response to "obey" only intensified as his faith grew to the point of being able to offer Isaac on the altar. This "righteous" response by Abraham is in contrast to his wife Sarah's belief in God, who was more like most of us who are not "righteous". Sarah did not show a "righteous" response of obedience to God when she was willing to fix what God asked by using Hagar as a human substitute for God's promise, a substitute more believable to humans. Her belief allows modification of what God says! Paul tells us, Judaism is like Hagar, they substituted God's Ten Commandments with human "law". They feel they can obey more easily by not using God's name at all instead of what God actually asked, of learning to use God's name properly, which they feel would be harder to obey, requiring a sin offering every time they misused God's name. They decided not to utter God's name at all, instead of using God's name properly as God asked in the Third Commandment. The "Veil" in Judaism is that they think that their substitute human "law" makes them obedient to God when it does the opposite, making them disobedient to what God asked. This prevalent human act of substituting what God asked for some human idea like Hagar, leads to death because it keeps the sin of disobeying the Ten Commandments, which were given to remove sin when obeyed.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT)​

The "believe" came first and Abraham's "righteous" response to his "believing" was to "obey" God. In the case of Abraham, the promise was that he would be the father of many nations. His "believing" the promise made him obey God! For the rest of us in Judaism and Christianity, the promise is the forgiveness of our past sins through Jesus, shadowed by animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of past sins before Jesus. After Jesus, forgiveness for past sins is obtained through prayer to our High Priest in the true heavenly temple, for which the earthly was a temporary stand-in copy of the true one in heaven. The problem in Judaism and Christianity is not with God's promise, because He fulfilled it in Jesus when the Father made Jesus our High Priest to forgive our past sins when we turn to Him in prayer. The problem is with our response to God's promise, as in Abraham's response to "obey" God. Judaism failed to share the faith of Abraham by not obeying God when they substituted God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, disobeying to use God's name properly as in the case of Sarah's human substitution of Hagar for God's promise to Abraham of a son. Equally, we substitute God's Sabbath in the Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, not sharing the faith of Abraham who obeyed God as his response to "believing" the promise. Abraham was not the originator of the substitution of God's promise with Hagar. The human substitution of Hagar came from Sarah and not from Abraham's "belief" in God's promise. Sarah did not "believe" God as Abraham did and substituted God's promise with Hagar! Belief in God's promise of forgiveness for past sins should lead us to obey God as in the faith of Abraham, but we do not obey God as in the case of Sarah, substituting God's Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, like Hagar, who came out of the human inventiveness of Sarah. Jesus tells us what our response to our "believing" in God should be in the next passage. Our response should be obedience to His Eleven Commandments, but we do not follow Jesus' Fourth Commandment as Abraham's faith could obey if uninfluenced by Sarah's disbelief. We have allowed a human replacement for the Fourth Commandment of God by the bishops of Rome, as Abraham listened to Sarah, replacing God's Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, disobeying Jesus' next passage. Disobeying God leads to death, as Paul tells us, by continuing to sin in disobedience to the Eleven Commandments. Abraham's continuing "righteous" response of obedience to God for his believing in the promise was able to correct Sarah's inventiveness by separating from Hagar. We too need to send Hagar away by separating from the human traditions that make us disobey God's Eleven Commandments.

“If you love me, obey my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments). And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Those who accept my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments) and obey them (unlike Judaism sabotage of the Ten Commandments) are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” (John 14:15-21 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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I can see I just need to agree to disagree with you again.
No surprise, you "law-keepers" are not known to be in agreement (As is the habit of some Heb 10:25).
Some were convinced and some disbelieved. Acts 28:24-28
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. 2 Cor 6:14-16
 
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No surprise, you "law-keepers" are not known to be in agreement (As is the habit of some Heb 10:25-26).
Some were convinced and some disbelieved. Acts 28:24-28
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. 2 Cor 6:14-16
Is that called goading?
 
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No surprise, you "law-keepers" are not known to be in agreement (As is the habit of some Heb 10:25).
Some were convinced and some disbelieved. Acts 28:24-28
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. 2 Cor 6:14-16
Is that called goading?
It is what it is. "It's hard for you to kick against the goad." Acts 26:14

But as for you brethren, continue in what you have firmly believed, knowing from whom you have learned. 2 Timothy 3:13-15
Everyone who has learned from God comes to Me. John 6:45 ... and their peace shall be great. Isaiah 54:13 And the peace of God,
which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Phil 4:7

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I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:28
 
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Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday August 25, 2023 at 12:12 pm EDT! Not everyone is "righteous" in their belief in God. In the following passage, it is Abraham's proper response to "obey" that made him "righteous" before God or acting rightly before God. Abraham's "right" response to "obey" only intensified as his faith grew to the point of being able to offer Isaac on the altar. This "righteous" response by Abraham is in contrast to his wife Sarah's belief in God, who was more like most of us who are not "righteous". Sarah did not show a "righteous" response of obedience to God when she was willing to fix what God asked by using Hagar as a human substitute for God's promise, a substitute more believable to humans. Her belief allows modification of what God says! Paul tells us, Judaism is like Hagar, they substituted God's Ten Commandments with human "law". They feel they can obey more easily by not using God's name at all instead of what God actually asked, of learning to use God's name properly, which they feel would be harder to obey, requiring a sin offering every time they misused God's name. They decided not to utter God's name at all, instead of using God's name properly as God asked in the Third Commandment. The "Veil" in Judaism is that they think that their substitute human "law" makes them obedient to God when it does the opposite, making them disobedient to what God asked. This prevalent human act of substituting what God asked for some human idea like Hagar, leads to death because it keeps the sin of disobeying the Ten Commandments, which were given to remove sin when obeyed.

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless? Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (James 2:19-24 NLT)​

The "believe" came first and Abraham's "righteous" response to his "believing" was to "obey" God. In the case of Abraham, the promise was that he would be the father of many nations. His "believing" the promise made him obey God! For the rest of us in Judaism and Christianity, the promise is the forgiveness of our past sins through Jesus, shadowed by animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of past sins before Jesus. After Jesus, forgiveness for past sins is obtained through prayer to our High Priest in the true heavenly temple, for which the earthly was a temporary stand-in copy of the true one in heaven. The problem in Judaism and Christianity is not with God's promise, because He fulfilled it in Jesus when the Father made Jesus our High Priest to forgive our past sins when we turn to Him in prayer. The problem is with our response to God's promise, as in Abraham's response to "obey" God. Judaism failed to share the faith of Abraham by not obeying God when they substituted God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, disobeying to use God's name properly as in the case of Sarah's human substitution of Hagar for God's promise to Abraham of a son. Equally, we substitute God's Sabbath in the Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, not sharing the faith of Abraham who obeyed God as his response to "believing" the promise. Abraham was not the originator of the substitution of God's promise with Hagar. The human substitution of Hagar came from Sarah and not from Abraham's "belief" in God's promise. Sarah did not "believe" God as Abraham did and substituted God's promise with Hagar! Belief in God's promise of forgiveness for past sins should lead us to obey God as in the faith of Abraham, but we do not obey God as in the case of Sarah, substituting God's Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, like Hagar, who came out of the human inventiveness of Sarah. Jesus tells us what our response to our "believing" in God should be in the next passage. Our response should be obedience to His Eleven Commandments, but we do not follow Jesus' Fourth Commandment as Abraham's faith could obey if uninfluenced by Sarah's disbelief. We have allowed a human replacement for the Fourth Commandment of God by the bishops of Rome, as Abraham listened to Sarah, replacing God's Fourth Commandment with our own human tradition of Sunday, disobeying Jesus' next passage. Disobeying God leads to death, as Paul tells us, by continuing to sin in disobedience to the Eleven Commandments. Abraham's continuing "righteous" response of obedience to God for his believing in the promise was able to correct Sarah's inventiveness by separating from Hagar. We too need to send Hagar away by separating from the human traditions that make us disobey God's Eleven Commandments.

“If you love me, obey my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments). And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Those who accept my commandments (plural meaning "all" of the Eleven Commandments) and obey them (unlike Judaism sabotage of the Ten Commandments) are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” (John 14:15-21 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, good to hear from you again!

When was Abraham counted righteous by God?

May the grace of God guard your heart and mind through the Lord Jesus Christ!
 
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