'Fire of Revival' Spreads in Europe as Thousands Pack Stadiums in Hungary and Italy

[BCP1928]

There is no such thing as the Gospel of Trump. In my opinion, to suggest otherwise is borderline blasphemy if not outright actual blasphemy.

Sorry. Otherwise known as Christian Nationalism. To suggest that Christian Nationalism has anything at all to do with the Gospel of Christ would indeed be blasphemy.

 

[AlexB23]

"Gospel of xxx" is a common metaphor for a strongly held belief. It's often used to ridicule someone who tends to go over the top. To suggest blasphemy is a little ridiculous.

OB

I agree with you entirely on this, hence, this is why I do not like any of the two candidates we are given in 2024.

One is a little woke (Biden) while the other one is a criminal (Trump). Where is Nikki Haley (R), Chris Christie (R) or Pete Buttigieg (D) when we need them?

 

[Vambram]

The liberals really have no idea what Christian nationalism truly is, in my opinion.

As for my reaction to the "gospel of Trump", I reacted that way because some liberals on these forums consistently say that Christians supporting Trump over Biden must be part of a cult.

 

[Vambram]

One is a little woke (Biden)

In my opinion, Joe Biden is the very most progressive liberal that has ever been POTUS.

 

[AlexB23]

In my opinion, Joe Biden is the very most progressive liberal that has ever been POTUS.

In 2021, Biden was okay, but he has been slipping so far left since 2023, and gone totally off the rails in 2024. The nail in the coffin for Joe was when he started pushing trans stuff on Easter (March 31, 2024). Why does Biden have to obsess over this pride* stuff (I know this is not the forum to bring it up in), but I have to rebuke Joe for this. Biden should focus on bipartisan stuff, instead of this gender bending junk. I can not in good faith vote for Joe anymore (and I'll definitely not vote for Trump either). In other words, Jesus might be a write-in for me.

*Proverbs 11:2 (NIV): "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom."

In other words, pride comes before the fall.

Stuff straight from the White House

A Proclamation on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Pride Month, 2024 | The White House

During Pride Month, we celebrate the extraordinary courage and contributions of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex (LGBTQI+)

www.whitehouse.gov

And for those thinking about calling me a conservative, I am a centrist, and not for any party. 10 years ago, I used to be much farther left, but since the trans stuff has been spewing from the left, the center seems better.

 

[BCP1928]

In 2021, Biden was okay, but he has been slipping so far left since 2023, and gone totally off the rails in 2024. The nail in the coffin for Joe was when he started pushing trans stuff on Easter (March 31, 2024). Why does Biden have to obsess over this pride* stuff (I know this is not the forum to bring it up in), but I have to rebuke Joe for this. Biden should focus on bipartisan stuff, instead of this gender bending junk. I can not in good faith vote for Joe anymore (and I'll definitely not vote for Trump either). In other words, Jesus might be a write-in for me.

*Proverbs 11:2 (NIV): "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom."

In other words, pride comes before the fall.

Stuff straight from the White House

A Proclamation on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Pride Month, 2024 | The White House

During Pride Month, we celebrate the extraordinary courage and contributions of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex (LGBTQI+)

www.whitehouse.gov

And for those thinking about calling me a conservative, I am a centrist, and not for any party. 10 years ago, I used to be much farther left, but since the trans stuff has been spewing from the left, the center seems better.

See, Democrats still don't have a very clear idea of what they've. walked into. They have no idea why the LGBT issue has blown up in their faces like it has. Democrats really don't care if people are gay or not, trans or not. They see people who are different and are being discriminated against for it, and jerk! goes the knee.

 

[AlexB23]

See, Democrats still don't have a very clear idea of what they've. walked into. They have no idea why the LGBT issue has blown up in their faces like it has. Democrats really don't care if people are gay or not, trans or not. They see people who are different and are being discriminated against for it, and jerk! goes the knee.

It is getting late here, but yes, I have no idea what happened to the Democratic party. It used to be a halfway decent party in the first half of the 2010s or so, supporting environmentalism and reducing racism, but nowadays in 2024, this Democratic party shuns anyone who is not into the trans ideology. Isn't that a form of discrimination itself?

I'm pretty much done with the Democrats. And, I am not a fan of the modern day Republican party. Remember when real issues were talked about, such as raising wages, solving climate change and improving public transport? Nowadays, all the Democrats ever talk about is trans stuff and push for late term abortions.

In other words, take me back to 2014, grab a TARDIS (oh wait, look at what happened to Doctor Who). Was a better year than 2024, that is for sure.

From TARDIS to Turdis - Dr. Who has gone down the toilet: Doctor Who 2024 Ratings: Loses Another 400k Viewers | Cosmic Book News

 

[BCP1928]

It is getting late here, but yes, I have no idea what happened to the Democratic party. It used to be a halfway decent party in the first half of the 2010s or so, supporting environmentalism and reducing racism, but nowadays in 2024, this Democratic party shuns anyone who is not into the trans ideology. Isn't that a form of discrimination itself?

The shun anyone who hassles them about the imaginary 'trans ideology'

I'm pretty much done with the Democrats. And, I am not a fan of the modern day Republican party. Remember when real issues were talked about, such as raising wages, solving climate change and improving public transport?

The Democrats are working hard to enact those policies, with considerable resistance from the Christian Right.

Nowadays, all the Democrats ever talk about is trans stuff and push for late term abortions.

Democrats talk about many things. Evidently LGBT is the most important to you. But there is no push for late term abortions. That is a settled question.

 

[AlexB23]

The shun anyone who hassles them about the imaginary 'trans ideology'

The Democrats are working hard to enact those policies, with considerable resistance from the Christian Right.

Democrats talk about many things. Evidently LGBT is the most important to you. But there is no push for late term abortions. That is a settled question.

Well, we both agree on solving climate change, which some Republicans are not onboard with. Below, here is a nifty political view "card" of my ideologies that I have. Blue is liberal, purple is centrist, and red is conservative. My ideologies I try to line up with the Bible, with some compromise. I am surprised why the modern GOP does not support affordable healthcare or environmental conservation, as the Bible talks about being good caretakers of the Earth. Maybe, the two party system needs a revamp.

Note:
There are conservatives for clean energy (to get us off of foreign oil): Conservatives for Clean Energy – Conservatives for Clean Energy
And Democrats that are pro-life: 2024 Whole Life Agenda - Democrats For Life of America

 

[Whyayeman]

The growing group with 'No Religion' (aka the 'Nones') are not atheists. 'Nones' are simply people who don't identify with any particular religion or denomination.

I don't think that is true of the 2021 UK Census question on religion. People were asked specifically to indicate from this list :

No religion; Christian; Buddhist; Hindu; Jewish; Muslim; Sikh; Other religion; Not stated (it was a voluntary question)​

 

[Occams Barber]

I don't think that is true of the 2021 UK Census question on religion. People were asked specifically to indicate from this list :

No religion; Christian; Buddhist; Hindu; Jewish; Muslim; Sikh; Other religion; Not stated (it was a voluntary question)​

I don't think that is true of the 2021 UK Census question on religion. People were asked specifically to indicate from this list :

No religion; Christian; Buddhist; Hindu; Jewish; Muslim; Sikh; Other religion; Not stated (it was a voluntary question)​

Since the Census question doesn't include a specific category for Atheists or Agnostics they would tend to tick the No Religion box. As a result, they would not be separately identified.

The sentence below is from Wikipedia (Irreligion in the UK). It shows the results of a 2018 survey where atheists were separately identified at around 8% with 52% opting for No Religion. Atheists lack a belief in the existence of God or other supernatural entities while 'Nones' typically harbour vague beliefs in a higher power or some form of spirituality. The atheist/None split is discussed in detail in the article I gave you. The Australian Census has an Atheist category and its result shows that there are separate atheist and None groupings.

Irreligion in the United Kingdom is more prevalent than in some parts of Europe, with about 8% indicating they were atheistic in 2018,[5] and 52% listing their religion as "none"​

Irreligion in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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OB​

 

[BCP1928]

I don't think that is true of the 2021 UK Census question on religion. People were asked specifically to indicate from this list :

No religion; Christian; Buddhist; Hindu; Jewish; Muslim; Sikh; Other religion; Not stated (it was a voluntary question)​

What's the box for "I think there may be a higher power who is interested in us, but organized religion sucks." Does that count as "No religion?"

 

[Whyayeman]

Since the Census question doesn't include a specific category for Atheists or Agnostics they would tend to tick the No Religion box. As a result, they would not be separately identified.

I am not sure what you mean by agnostic - or atheist, for that matter. They are not very specific terms, especially on this forum.

Historically, an agnostic was used by theologians to describe Christians who held that it was impossible to prove the existence of god; Christian agnostics was a field of discourse for them. Maybe nowadays it tends to mean 'don't know'. There was no box for the 'don't knows' in that census.

Many people use the term 'atheist' to denote people who assert that there is no God in existence. Perhaps Wikipedia's 8% are the people referred to, and the 52% are the rest of the non-believers. Either way, it looks as if religion is on the wane here (UK) and elsewhere.

 

[Occams Barber]

I am not sure what you mean by agnostic - or atheist, for that matter. They are not very specific terms, especially on this forum.

They are actually quite specific (see dictionary definitions below). Unfortunately, many Christians on this forum (and elsewhere) tend to see (or want to see) atheism as a belief system - like a religion. They have difficulty in understanding that atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods - full stop. Atheist numbers tend to be small and fairly static,

The Nones concept has been around for decades. It's a category typically filled by ex-Christians who, for a variety of reasons have lost faith in organised religion and its specific dogmas and doctrines along with those who are indifferent to religion. The Nones represent the biggest risk to Christianity since they are a large and rapidly growing group siphoning Christians away from the church.

Religion is definitely on the wane in the UK - mainly due to indifference.

Historically, an agnostic was used by theologians to describe Christians who held that it was impossible to prove the existence of god; Christian agnostics was a field of discourse for them. Maybe nowadays it tends to mean 'don't know'. There was no box for the 'don't knows' in that census.

Agnostic = a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.
In other words, an Agnostic is someone who adopts a neutral position on the question of the existence of gods based on a view that it can't be proven either way,

Many people use the term 'atheist' to denote people who assert that there is no God in existence. Perhaps Wikipedia's 8% are the people referred to, and the 52% are the rest of the non-believers. Either way, it looks as if religion is on the wane here (UK) and elsewhere.

Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Basically - no evidence = no gods.
Note that atheism has nothing to do with Evolution in spite of the regular Christian claim that Evolution is an atheistic concept. Atheists share no beliefs in common apart from the lack of belief in gods.

OB

 

[Nithavela]

Over here, the only visible "fire of revival" is the revival of fascism.

I'm sure those events happen, but a thousand people here or there doesn't make much difference on a large scale.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Over here, the only visible "fire of revival" is the revival of fascism.

I'm sure those events happen, but a thousand people here or there doesn't make much difference on a large scale.

Pretty much the same in the US. We seem to be hitting our 1930s peak. In your country that would take a lot more fascism to hit.

 

[RileyG]

Sorry. Otherwise known as Christian Nationalism. To suggest that Christian Nationalism has anything at all to do with the Gospel of Christ would indeed be blasphemy.

Amen.

 

[AlexB23]

Over here, the only visible "fire of revival" is the revival of fascism.

I'm sure those events happen, but a thousand people here or there doesn't make much difference on a large scale.

Agreed. Just read in the news that Europe is starting to go far-right, just as America started to, over half a decade ago. This is bad stuff for the continent of Europe.

The main takeaways after the far right rocks European politics, sparking a snap election in France

A four-day election has shaken the European Union's parliament to its foundations. Hard right parties rocked ruling parties in France and Germany, the EU's main driving forces.

apnews.com

 

[Nithavela]

Agreed. Just read in the news that Europe is starting to go far-right, just as America started to, over half a decade ago. This is bad stuff for the continent of Europe.

The main takeaways after the far right rocks European politics, sparking a snap election in France

A four-day election has shaken the European Union's parliament to its foundations. Hard right parties rocked ruling parties in France and Germany, the EU's main driving forces.

apnews.com

It hasn't started. This has been going on for years, too. It's just at a pretty late stage.

 

[AlexB23]

It hasn't started. This has been going on for years, too. It's just at a pretty late stage.

So, has it been getting worse over the past decade? I never remembered the far right stuff blowing up across the US and Europe as much as it has been in the 2020s. What is the end game of this stuff?