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Finding God in the Secular: Linkin Park's "Numb"

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This is part of what will hopefully be a series of "spiritual studies". They are not exactly Bible studies, since they don't go verse-by-verse through any portion of Scripture, but they are my personal insights on my walk with the Lord and the music I'm into. While this is certainly not something every Christian can or should get into, I often "find God" (that is, His principles and precepts) in secular music that was not necessarily intended to comment on God. If any of you can gain edification from these insights, I am encouraged in that, and it is for that reason I'm posting these.

Original Song: Numb (String Quartet Tribute)
Original Artist: Linkin Park
Biblical Inspiration: Romans 7

In my teenage years, I often found inspiration in music, as I still do. Very rarely would I listen to a song I liked and not picture myself in some sort of music video atmosphere while the song played. In this particular song, I pictured myself standing in front of a mirror, as the "real me" stared into the eyes of the "me in the mirror". The "mirror-me" would be singing and moving, full of fervent emotion, trying to drive the point home to the "real me".

Romans 7 mentions Paul's struggle with his two natures: the one that wills to do good, but is made spiritually impotent by his sinful nature, and the sinful nature that wills to do evil, but is frustrated by the successes of the spiritual nature.

I often struggle with doubts concerning my salvation, because--so very often--my sinful nature controls me for a season, and in the sway of the world, I find it at times nearly impossible to do good. In this way, I grow tired of being what my sinful nature wants me to be, as I feel faithless and "lost under the surface" of my outward man.

At this point, I sometimes can picture my parents aside the "real me", but not in the image in the mirror. That is where I can say, "I don't know what you're expecting of me, put under the pressure, of walking in your shoes". One thing my family seems very big on is the idea of tradition and expectation. While I love my family, I also have very little in common with them, because I see no point in tradition when God is the one who dictates where I go in life--or at least, He should dictate it if I let Him.

All of this turmoil initiates a response within my "passively rebellious" nature, and instead of lashing out at people physically, I often shut down. My parents have even noticed this, especially my dad. This leads to me being numb. Unfortunately, in being numb, I often turn to God and say, "I can't feel You there". I grow so tired, but in my weariness, I pause and become much more aware of where I'm at, what I need to do, and where I need to go. The final thrust of all of it is that I desire to be an individual, not caught up in traditions and in lists of right and wrong, but rather, less like "the real me" and more like the pure individual in the mirror.

The second verse is a verse I dedicate to my parents, in love, but also in frustration. I dearly want them to see that all of the traditions and expectations are overwhelming, and I can see it's because my parents want me to succeed--on their terms. They have an idea that a certain job, education, and lifestyle are successful, and they have my best interests in mind, but they want to control me--at least subconsciously.

Unfortunately for all involved, God's idea, my idea, and my parents' idea of success are rarely the same. While I know that God gives me the desires of my heart if I follow His will, I wish to succeed in those, and yet, I'm caught in the undertow of wanting to honor my parents and "obey them in the Lord (for this is right)".

Finally, there comes the realization that with the risk of success, there is the risk of failure. I know that in "strutting my stuff" to become who God wants me to be and who I want to be, I will fail on some level in the eyes of my parents or in the eyes of others who care for me. Yet, I realize they have also failed others in their lifetime, and that is the common ground from which I have love for them.

Where all of this leads me is to the point that while we struggle with our sinful nature, we will fail. We will, at times, fail God. If we succeed in God's eyes, we will fail in the eyes of others, including those who love us, but none of that matters. Nevertheless, to fail our loved ones hurts them and it hurts us. This song is largely a song that I take hope from, because it reminds me that--while there is pain--there is a reward to be expected from God for doing well.​
 
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linkin park are not christian however I agree with the OP that I have heard God's words in certain secular songs and linkin park's "numb" is one of them. The entire song in itself is a very hatefilled and bitter song when it comes to the lyrics.... however there are a few key words and verses in there that are very, well, almost inspired. It just goes to prove that at heart and no matter who you are and no matter if you relize it or not, everyone desires God and what God has for them.
 
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I found great solace in that song few years back. I still could look at the lyrics and see part of myself...in how I feel, especially when it comes to some people. Maybe not as destructive and painful, but still I have this strong part of me that wants to find my own way.

I listened to them a lot back then...I believe I heard that at least one of them was a Christian. But my memories fade...
 
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i used to like that song when i was younger. it can be easy to relate to but i wouldn't look to that music for Christian edification though. not to knock secular music, i actually prefer it to Christian most of the time ;)

and i believe one or two of the guys did claim to be Christian. whatever that means to them though, i have no clue :)
 
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I think its good that people of various religious creeds and beliefs can find inspiration in secular music.

I also keep in mind that a lot of these types of bands write very loose lyrics to where people can find any type of inspiration. A great example, I think at least, of that is in the Christian metal band, Demon Hunter.

Ironically enough, I think ANYONE of any belief could find inspiration in lyrics like these by one of my favorite bands Mercenary:
YouTube - Mercenary - The Hours That Remain


Lyrics for The Hours That Remain:

Seen in your perspective
It's falling into place
It's being interactive
And falling down from grace
Be neglective or selective
It's all that makes you see
The hours that remain
To fall disgraceful
To be alone and
Believe in the time to be divine
Fighting the hours is all that remain
Searching for answers and feeling the pain
This timeless glass before me is running out of mind
Is falling into nothing
And is all I left behind
Be neglective or deceptive
To redefine the dreams
In the hours that remain.
To choose deception
To see the gain and
The rose the answer
Enjoy the pain
Fighting the hours is all that remain
Searching for answers and feeling the pain
And holding out my hand to find you to see through the rain
My motionless demand to see my true face through the blame
I'll teach you
Revelation
I'll go through
Hell
To greet you
My friend
And to meet you
In the end
... I'll save you.
Fighting the hours is all that remain
Searching for answers and feeling the pain
And holding out my hand to find you to see through the rain
My motionless demand to see my true face through the blame
...
Behind my smile, my memories are fading.
The time is near. The hours remain.
 
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michael jackson - man in the mirror

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change

wouldn't say it has anything to do with finding God or anything to me but definately something everyone can live by. World would be alot better

[youtube]pbzMsIcp6fI[/youtube]
 
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Evanescence- Tourniquet.

There's a video of it on youtube- it's pretty explicit so here are some on the lyrics, doesn't take long to get the picture. Don't go looking for the video if you're squemish.

My God,
My tourniquet,
Return to me salvation.

My wounds cry for the grave,
My soul cries,
For deliverance,
Will I be denied?
Christ! Tourniquet!
My suicide.

Not a nice song; but was kind of the point at the time. Express your pain through music, not action- let it go and feel better.

Probably couldn't listen to it now.
 
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Evanescence- Tourniquet.

There's a video of it on youtube- it's pretty explicit so here are some on the lyrics, doesn't take long to get the picture. Don't go looking for the video if you're squemish.

My God,
My tourniquet,
Return to me salvation.

My wounds cry for the grave,
My soul cries,
For deliverance,
Will I be denied?
Christ! Tourniquet!
My suicide.

Not a nice song; but was kind of the point at the time. Express your pain through music, not action- let it go and feel better.

Probably couldn't listen to it now.

I think they were a Christian band at one point.
 
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michael jackson - man in the mirror

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change

wouldn't say it has anything to do with finding God or anything to me but definately something everyone can live by. World would be alot better

[youtube]pbzMsIcp6fI[/youtube]

:thumbsup: Check my signature and user title ^_^.
 
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This thread has deviated from what I sincerely hoped it would be, but I want to thank those who were able to stay on the topic. However, for the sake of correct information--even though it deviates from my original point--let me clarify some things:

Linkin Park, at one time, stated that they would not use swearing in their music. They themselves used swearing in their daily lives, but the fact it was absent from their music attracted a Christian element of fans. Rumors began to float around that they were Christian, but they have never stated such personally.

Evanescence was never a Christian band. Some of them, such as lead singer Amy Lee, are Christians--in a band (notice the difference). When their music began to make it on Christian charts, the topic came up in an interview. The former drummer (or guitarist, I can't remember) stated, "what the (heck) is up with that?" on camera. There are rumors that the statement contributed to their seperation from Evanescence. However, Evanescence has never officially stated their intent to be a Christian band.

I would appreciate it if we could get back to the original point of discussion, which--to be clear--was about finding God's precepts and concepts in secular sources.

If anyone is offended by my frustration, I'm sorry that you're offended. I am not sorry for being frustrated. Please stay on topic.
 
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