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Federal judge orders Biden administration to stop selling off border wall parts

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Just curious, what was the basis for the injunction on selling rusty scrap metal?
It's not scrap metal. It's valuable building material. It's heavy gauge steel. A little surface rust will come right off; if it were to be painted; but it is being erected without paint.

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A little surface rust in the desert, will have a negligible effect on the wall's structural integrity.
 
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It's not scrap metal. It's valuable building material. It's heavy gauge steel. A little surface rust will come right off; if it were to be painted; but it is being erected without paint.

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A little surface rust in the desert, will have a negligible effect on the wall's structural integrity.
Oh. Do you think they were dismantling the Trump Wall?
 
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Do you understand the difference between holding a position of authority, and being an Authoritarian?
Yup. And I believe Trump thinks his authority extends further than it does, which, to me, makes him an authoritarian. That's what drives the concern, among many, that Trump may act like a dictator. And, let's not forget, Trump himself has declared that he would be a dictator "on day one", so it's not exactly an imagined concern. Sure, he says he'll only do it for one day...but how many dictators give up their power so readily? Plus which, given his proven history of fraud, I'd say he hasn't exactly earned the benefit of the doubt where trust is concerned. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)

Given the arguments that Trump made during his criminal trials, that he's immune to any and all criminal prosecution (even as President Elect, for crimes he's already been found guilty for that did not occur during his previous tenure as President, let alone in his official capacity as President), I'd say his thirst for power beyond his authority is appropriately concerning. Further, the SCOTUS seems to agree that his authority extends to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, so, yeah, I'd say I'm concerned.

-- A2SG, hardly "dreams come true," though.....
 
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How did you come up with that?
The picture you posted. You seemed to be saying that that was what was being sold, the actual, standing wall.
 
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I am so confused.

Even if they do something that is very clearly illegal? Think crimes like murder, rape, robbery etc?

I realize how VERY LITTLE I actually know!

Scary!
You didn't listen to the oral arguments before the Supreme Court - too bad, although you can still go back and hear (or read the transcript). Yes, one of the questions asked was that if the president, any president, as president ordered the assassination of the president's political rival, would that be protected as a presidential act (approximately starting at 5:47 again at 19:09). This also appeared in the dissenting opinion.

SCOTUS ruling on Trump vs the United States. The dissenting opinions are worth reading.

From Sotomayer's dissent (pg 96-97) [emphasis added]:
Looking beyond the fate of this particular prosecution, the long-term consequences of today’s decision are stark. The Court effectively creates a law-free zone around the President, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the Founding. This new official-acts immunity now “lies about like a loaded weapon” for any President that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain, above the interests of the Nation. Korematsu v. United States, 323 U. S. 214, 246 (1944) (Jackson, J., dissenting). The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military
coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.
Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.​
Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.​
 
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You didn't listen to the oral arguments before the Supreme Court - too bad, although you can still go back and hear (or read the transcript). Yes, one of the questions asked was that if the president, any president, as president ordered the assassination of the president's political rival, would that be protected as a presidential act (approximately starting at 5:47 again at 19:09). This also appeared in the dissenting opinion.

SCOTUS ruling on Trump vs the United States. The dissenting opinions are worth reading.

From Sotomayer's dissent (pg 96-97) [emphasis added]:
Looking beyond the fate of this particular prosecution, the long-term consequences of today’s decision are stark. The Court effectively creates a law-free zone around the President, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the Founding. This new official-acts immunity now “lies about like a loaded weapon” for any President that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain, above the interests of the Nation. Korematsu v. United States, 323 U. S. 214, 246 (1944) (Jackson, J., dissenting). The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military
coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.
Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.​
Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.​
Thank you for the response.

Take care.
 
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Just curious, what was the basis for the injunction on selling rusty scrap metal?



SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENT
A status conference is a warranted enforcement mechanism to determine whether
Defendants are circumventing this Court’s Final Judgment and Permanent Injunction by selling
off border wall materials that were purchased with funds that the Court has said may only be used
for the “construction of physical barriers.
” Dkt. No. 208 at 2.
 
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Even if they do something that is very clearly illegal? Think crimes like murder, rape, robbery etc?
Yes. The example argued before the SCOTUS included an example of a president ordering Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival. The ruling is, that would be considerd an "official act" since the act is a president directing military. "Official Acts (of which there is no specific definition)" have absolute immunity.
Private Acts (also lacking specific definition) can be prosecuted. However, in the ruling, it is stated that talking to advisers or making public statements are “official acts.” Thus determining; evidence of what presidents say and do cannot be used against them to establish that their acts are “unofficial.”
Indeed.
 
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Yes. The example argued before the SCOTUS included an example of a president ordering Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival. The ruling is, that would be considerd an "official act" since the act is a president directing military. "Official Acts (of which there is no specific definition)" have absolute immunity.
Private Acts (also lacking specific definition) can be prosecuted. However, in the ruling, it is stated that talking to advisers or making public statements are “official acts.” Thus determining; evidence of what presidents say and do cannot be used against them to establish that their acts are “unofficial.”

Indeed.
I have no words. Yikes!
 
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It's not scrap metal. It's valuable building material. It's heavy gauge steel. A little surface rust will come right off; if it were to be painted; but it is being erected without paint.

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A little surface rust in the desert, will have a negligible effect on the wall's structural integrity.
Actually it's supposed to rust and not be painted. It's a special copper and steel alloy in which rust forms a protective layer rather than progressiviely deteriorating. The problem with the wall is not the surface rust but that it can easily be cut through in minutes with a portable reciprcating saw available for $79.95 at convenient Home Depot locations throughout northern Mexico.
 
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I have no words. Yikes!
Now you have some understanding about why some of us are very, very concerned about Trump being in office again, especially given this ruling by the SCOTUS. Trump will have no limits on what he wants to do, and cannot be held accountable for any questionable or clearly illegal actions he takes, so long as he does so in an official capacity.

Yikes indeed.

-- A2SG, and people wonder why some of us have a problem with someone who has been convicted of criminal fraud having that kind of power.....
 
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Now you have some understanding about why some of us are very, very concerned about Trump being in office again, especially given this ruling by the SCOTUS. Trump will have no limits on what he wants to do, and cannot be held accountable for any questionable or clearly illegal actions he takes, so long as he does so in an official capacity.

Yikes indeed.

-- A2SG, and people wonder why some of us have a problem with someone who has been convicted of criminal fraud having that kind of power.....
I can understand where you are coming from, yes, but Trump really isn't that bad.

I personally don't believe everything the MSM says about Trump.

He's rather grandfatherly and gracious.

-RileyG, I have a brain and can think for myself...
 
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I can understand where you are coming from, yes, but Trump really isn't that bad.
I wish I could believe you. But the man has been proven guilty of fraud too many times for me to be so trusting of him, or his intentions.

I personally don't believe everything the MSM says about Trump.
Who's relying on the media? Court records of his guilty verdicts and criminal convictions are enough.

He's rather grandfatherly and gracious.

-RileyG, I have a brain and can think for myself...
Me as well, and my perception of the man, based on his own words and actions, does not equate with yours.

-- A2SG, but diff'rent strokes and all that, right?
 
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I wish I could believe you. But the man has been proven guilty of fraud too many times for me to be so trusting of him, or his intentions.


Who's relying on the media? Court records of his guilty verdicts and criminal convictions are enough.


Me as well, and my perception of the man, based on his own words and actions, does not equate with yours.

-- A2SG, but diff'rent strokes and all that, right?
Fair enough. I respect your opinion and you have every right to it. That's totally cool.

In my humble opinion, people are attacking an innocent man.

Take care.
 
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Cool.


Not according to a court of law. Actually, several of them.


You as well.

-- A2SG, we may not always agree, but I do admire your tendency to respect those you disagree with....
Thank you for your kindness. It's appreciated.

:)
 
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Actually it's supposed to rust and not be painted. It's a special copper and steel alloy in which rust forms a protective layer rather than progressiviely deteriorating. The problem with the wall is not the surface rust but that it can easily be cut through in minutes with a portable reciprcating saw available for $79.95 at convenient Home Depot locations throughout northern Mexico.
Better get the kind with a battery if you are planning to saw through
 
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It's not scrap metal. It's valuable building material. It's heavy gauge steel. A little surface rust will come right off; if it were to be painted; but it is being erected without paint.

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A little surface rust in the desert, will have a negligible effect on the wall's structural integrity.


[Texas Lt Gov] Patrick, a Republican, noted in an X post Friday that he spoke with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott about "purchasing 'wall' material President Biden is auctioning off."

He said the Texas Facilities Commission told the state's leaders that "the material for sale was mostly junk, with most panels covered in concrete and rust." Patrick concluded that "this was a Biden ruse to gain favor with the radical left open border crowd, showing Biden was fighting [President-elect Donald] Trump to the bitter end."

 
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