Examples of Biblical Rebuke

[clirus]

Examples of Biblical Rebuke

I believe the Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

Let me provide three examples where Jesus rebuked sin.

The healing of the man brought to Jesus

The first thing Jesus did was to rebuke sin by stating that Jesus forgave the man's sins. After that, Jesus healed the man to show that Jesus was the Son of God, since Jesus had authority over both the spiritual (forgiving sin) and the physical (healing).

Luke 5:20 "And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee."

The woman taken in adultery

Here Jesus rebuked the woman for her adultery by saying go and sin no more. The adultery was clearly stated as sin. One wonders what Jesus would have done if the woman ever committed adultery after the encounter with Jesus. Would the Old Testament punishment of stoning have been appropriate?

John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

The woman at the well.

Here Jesus rebukes the woman for living with a man who is not her husband.

John 4:17 "The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:"

This a political subject because the democratic party takes a soft on sin approach which leads to much disease, death, destruction and poverty which they then try to cure by Socialism.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

 

[jayem]

Who decides what is sin? I don't care what the church rebukes. But when the church dictated what was sinful to the government, disease, death, and destruction was much worse than now. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.

It's never been proven to me if the Bible is or is not the final authority on sin. But people who try to tell everyone else what the Bible says are definitely not.

 

[QuakerPete]

Examples of Biblical Rebuke

I believe the Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

Let me provide three examples where Jesus rebuked sin.

The healing of the man brought to Jesus

The first thing Jesus did was to rebuke sin by stating that Jesus forgave the man's sins. After that, Jesus healed the man to show that Jesus was the Son of God, since Jesus had authority over both the spiritual (forgiving sin) and the physical (healing).

Luke 5:20 "And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee."

The woman taken in adultery

Here Jesus rebuked the woman for her adultery by saying go and sin no more. The adultery was clearly stated as sin. One wonders what Jesus would have done if the woman ever committed adultery after the encounter with Jesus. Would the Old Testament punishment of stoning have been appropriate?

John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

The woman at the well.

Here Jesus rebukes the woman for living with a man who is not her husband.

John 4:17 "The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:"

This a political subject because the democratic party takes a soft on sin approach which leads to much disease, death, destruction and poverty which they then try to cure by Socialism.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

Ahhhhhh, copy and paste heaven!!!!

 

[clirus]

Ahhhhhh, copy and paste heaven!!!!

Yes, I copy and paste from the Bible quite often, because I do consider the Bible as the absolute authority on sin.

 

[jayem]

I do consider the Bible as the absolute authority on sin.

And that's fine. But more accurately, you consider your particular interpretation of the Bible as the absolute authority on sin.

 

[SithDoughnut]

My second play of the "Guess what Clirus' OP says before you read it" game:

This is a tough one, as the thread title doesn't have anything I can directly link to politics. Presumably there is at least one reference in there, but I can safely guess that we're looking at half a dozen or so Bible quotes about rebuking. I'm going to take a not-entirely-unfounded leap here and guess that the rebuking in the OP is aimed squarely at the Democrats, probably followed up by a lot of praise about Republicans. It's also quite likely that the Bible passages will be largely unrelated to the political section of the OP.

Right, let's go check.

EDIT: Not so good this time. I was expecting far more Bible quotes, and I'm surprised to see actual reservations about the Republicans. Still, I got the Democrats bit right. I'll see if I can do better next time.

 

[QuakerPete]

Yes, I copy and paste from the Bible quite often, because I do consider the Bible as the absolute authority on sin.

I also consider the Bible as the absolute authority . . . but on love. Spot the difference? . . . and it's not just mere words.

 

[clirus]

I also consider the Bible as the absolute authority . . . but on love. Spot the difference? . . . and it's not just mere words.

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit is both Love and Righteousness.

I discuss sin a lot because sin is out of hand and sin is not being discussed enough in Churches.

I am trying to change the soft of sin approach that has led to things like the Catholic Church allowing homosexuals to disgrace the name of Christians.

I am trying to change the soft of sin approach that has led to excessive spending on health care/welfare that is not reducing poverty, but rather increasing poverty by preventing people from examining their lives and removing the sin/evil that is producing their poverty.

Won't you join me in try to get people to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible?

Some say love will cause repentance, but I believe rebuke of sin is also necessary to lead people to repentance.

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

One of the best sermons I ever heard was titled "Not all love is good love".

 

[clirus]

And that's fine. But more accurately, you consider your particular interpretation of the Bible as the absolute authority on sin.

You are free to provide your interpretations of the Bible.

 

[jayem]

I'm sure it's obvious how I interpret the Bible. It's human created scripture, just like the Bhagavad gita, or the Koran, or the Book of Mormon. Nothing divine or supernatural about any of them. There are some worthy moral lessons in the Bible (like some excellent and universal ethical teaching can be found in the works of the Buddha, or Lao-Tzu.) But a lot of the Bible ( OT especially) is only relevant to the Bronze Age Hebrew culture in which it was written. And this material is totally inappropriate to a diverse 21st century society. Claiming the Bible is the absolute authority on morals is like claiming Hippocrates is the absolute authority on medicine. Both are correct on some things, but very wrong on others.

For more details and specifics, here are two non-academic books for the general public, both by Christians, on understanding and interpreting the Bible.

Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentalism, by retired Episcopal Bishop John Spong.

The Good Book, by Peter Gomes, who is a Baptist minister and professor of religion at the Harvard Divnity School.

 

[laconicstudent]

I wonder which Church clirus is specifically talking about.

 

[clirus]

I'm sure it's obvious how I interpret the Bible. It's human created scripture, just like the Bhagavad gita, or the Koran, or the Book of Mormon. Nothing divine or supernatural about any of them. There are some worthy moral lessons in the Bible (like some excellent and universal ethical teaching can be found in the works of the Buddha, or Lao-Tzu.) But a lot of the Bible ( OT especially) is only relevant to the Bronze Age Hebrew culture in which it was written. And this material is totally inappropriate to a diverse 21st century society. Claiming the Bible is the absolute authority on morals is like claiming Hippocrates is the absolute authority on medicine. Both are correct on some things, but very wrong on others.

For more details and specifics, here are two non-academic books for the general public, both by Christians, on understanding and interpreting the Bible.

Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentalism, by retired Episcopal Bishop John Spong.

The Good Book, by Peter Gomes, who is a Baptist minister and professor of religion at the Harvard Divnity School.

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. If you are wrong, there is hell to pay.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. If you are wrong, there is hell to pay.

You're the only one here afriad of Hell, clirus.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. If you are wrong, there is hell to pay.

This applies to you too. Make sure you don't forget that.

 

[QuakerPete]

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit is both Love and Righteousness.

I discuss sin a lot because sin is out of hand and sin is not being discussed enough in Churches.

I am trying to change the soft of sin approach that has led to things like the Catholic Church allowing homosexuals to disgrace the name of Christians.

I am trying to change the soft of sin approach that has led to excessive spending on health care/welfare that is not reducing poverty, but rather increasing poverty by preventing people from examining their lives and removing the sin/evil that is producing their poverty.

Won't you join me in try to get people to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible?

Some say love will cause repentance, but I believe rebuke of sin is also necessary to lead people to repentance.

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

One of the best sermons I ever heard was titled "Not all love is good love".

Well, I guess we'll have to differ on what will attract people to become Christians. I've always believed if you discuss spiritual positives with people, they are naturally attracted to those - the sacrifice of Jesus to save us all being the ultimate positive. But then to add your own brand of politics (including health, safety and poverty) and these Democratic / Socialist propositions you keep forwarding does you no favours in my opinion. It is not for you to set a political agenda within a spiritual context - that is for each individual to decide upon.

 

[clirus]

Well, I guess we'll have to differ on what will attract people to become Christians. I've always believed if you discuss spiritual positives with people, they are naturally attracted to those - the sacrifice of Jesus to save us all being the ultimate positive. But then to add your own brand of politics (including health, safety and poverty) and these Democratic / Socialist propositions you keep forwarding does you no favours in my opinion. It is not for you to set a political agenda within a spiritual context - that is for each individual to decide upon.

I agree.

God gives every Christian gifts that they should use for the glory of God. The gifts are not the same and a person should not be jealous of another's gift.

I believe rebuking Atheistic Concepts is the gift of understanding.

The seven gifts are enumerated in Isaiah 11:2-3, and conforms to the Latin Vulgate[1], which takes the list from the Septuagint [2]. Here are the names of the seven gifts, as given[2] in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, along with a description of each gift, as defined[3] by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa Theologica:

Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* Wisdom - With the gift of wisdom, we see God at work in our lives and in the world. For the wise person, the wonders of nature, historical events, and the ups and downs of our lives take on deeper meaning. The matters of judgment about the truth, and being able to see the whole image of God. Lastly being able to see God in everyone and everything everywhere.

* Understanding - With the gift of understanding, we comprehend how we need to live as a follower of Jesus Christ. A person with understanding is not confused by all the conflicting messages in our culture about the right way to live. The gift of understanding perfects a person's speculative reason in the apprehension of truth. It is the gift whereby self-evident principles are known, Aquinas writes.[4]

* Counsel (right judgment) - With the gift of counsel/right judgment, we know the difference between right and wrong, and we choose to do what is right. A person with right judgment avoids sin and lives out the values taught by Jesus. The gift of truth that allows the person to respond prudently, and happily to believe our Christ the Lord

* Fortitude (Courage) - With the gift of fortitude/courage, we overcome our fear and are willing to take risks as a follower of Jesus Christ. A person with courage is willing to stand up for what is right in the sight of God, even if it means accepting rejection, verbal abuse, or even physical harm and death. The gift of courage allows people the firmness of mind that is required both in doing good and in enduring evil, especially with regard to goods or evils that are difficult, just like Joan of Arc did.

* Knowledge - With the gift of knowledge, we understand the meaning of God's Revelation, especially as expressed in the life and words of Jesus Christ. A person with knowledge is always learning more about the scriptures and tradition. The gift of knowledge is more than an accumulation of facts.

* Piety (Reverence) - With the gift of reverence, sometimes called piety, we have a deep sense of respect for God and the church. A person with reverence recognizes our total reliance on God and comes before God with humility, trust, and love. Piety is the gift whereby, at the Holy Spirit's instigation, we pay worship and duty to God as our Father, Aquinas writes.

* Fear of the Lord (Wonder and Awe) - With the gift of fear of the Lord we are aware of the glory and majesty of God. A person with wonder and awe knows that God is the perfection of all we desire: perfect knowledge, perfect goodness, perfect power, and perfect love. This gift is described by Aquinas as a fear of separating oneself from God. He describes the gift as a "filial fear," like a child's fear of offending his father, rather than a "servile fear," that is, a fear of punishment. Also known as knowing God is all powerful. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Prov 1:7) because it puts our mindset in its correct location with respect to God: we are the finite, dependent creatures, and He is the infinite, all-powerful Creator.

 

[clirus]

This applies to you too. Make sure you don't forget that.

Amen, Amen, and AAAmen

 

[Nathan Poe]

Amen, Amen, and AAAmen

No amount of Amens are going to correct your mistakes.