Eucharistic Miracles in Non-Catholic Apostolic Churches?

[Ave Maria]

Hi everyone. I was just wondering if any non-Catholic Apostolic Churches such as the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or Anglicans have had any Eucharistic miracles such as where the host bleeds or changes into visible flesh and the wine into visible blood. So does anyone know of any?

My favorite Eucharistic miracle is, of course, a Catholic one. It is a Catholic one because I do not know of any other Eucharistic miracles. The Eucharistic miracle I speak of is the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano. Here is a picture of it and a link:

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html​

 

[Secundulus]

Yes, I have heard of one in the Anglican Church. I expect there are more but since we are much smaller we don't get as much publicity.

 

[Mary of Bethany]

In addition, we know that the Eucharistic Miracles that have occurred and do still occur in the world where the Holy Communion on the altar takes on the form of real flesh and blood or the form of a small child in the chalice is often in response to someone's lack of faith in the miracle that occurs on the altars of the Church throughout the world all the time.

This is the general attitude in Orthodoxy regarding Eucharistic miracles. Not that they don't occur - but that they are not necessarily a positive sign.

Mary

Edited to add: Just to be clear, this of course refers to the Orthodox Church - not to other churches.

 

[Romans 13:3]

This is the general attitude in Orthodoxy regarding Eucharistic miracles. Not that they don't occur - but that they are not necessarily a positive sign.

Mary

Edited to add: Just to be clear, this of course refers to the Orthodox Church - not to other churches.

Why could it be considered a negative?

 

[Albion]

Hi everyone. I was just wondering if any non-Catholic Apostolic Churches such as the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or Anglicans have had any Eucharistic miracles such as where the host bleeds or changes into visible flesh and the wine into visible blood. So does anyone know of any?

I can't say as I have heard of any in Anglicanism. If Secundulus seems to remember one, that might be right, but since our theology is opposed to the carnal interpretation of the Eucharist, it's not going to be likely in any case and certainly not official.

More often, those Anglicans who identify with the Roman Catholic church and who would be the most interest in having such a miracle just include themselves in those that the Roman Church has made famous.

 

[Romans 13:3]

As a side note, what is the most current Eucharistic miracle of which you are aware?

 

[ContraMundum]

Depends how you define "miracle" I would add.

I've seen all kinds of powerful spiritual events which I consider miraculous around the eucharist, but perhaps my idea of the miraculous is not as grandiose as perhaps the ideas of others.

 

[kamikat]

Why could it be considered a negative?

It is generally concerned a sign of unbelief.

 

[Akathist]

Why could it be considered a negative?

To add to what Kamikat said wave: Kamikat),

If this kind of miracle occured, it is a sign that the people are lacking faith in the miracle of the Eucharist on a weekly basis.

For example, in a parish were hearts are growing colder, faith weaker and people take the Eucharist for granted, a miracle might happen where the eucharist becomes like real blood in appearance and taste, etc. (Or something else). This would be a miracle to the people to wake up about the Eucharist.

It should frighten them and instill renewed awe of God.

But, the fact that it needed to happen is a negative thing. We must be diligent to not take the Eucharist for granted and to remember the miracle of every Eucharist every time, every week or every day, etc.

 

[Romans 13:3]

Kamikat and Akathist:

Thanks, now it makes some sense. You gals rock.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I wonder...because long ago I discussed this with an EO member ...Innerphyre.

He said that it is a sign of disbelief or a bad sign.

What i wonder, since apparently the monk was in unbelief that caused this to occur, but there are other miracles ...

Are there any noted miracles of Christ showing Himself in the Eucharist that has been recorded in the EO?

 

[Albion]

At the least, shouldn't it be shown at some point in this discussion if these ARE miracles?

Legend, folklore, and etc. produced stories of tribes of headless men, dragons, and other physical impossibilities at just about the same time and among the same people as produced these "eucharistic" tales.

 

[Secundulus]

At the least, shouldn't it be shown at some point in this discussion if these ARE miracles?

Legend, folklore, and etc. produced stories of tribes of headless men, dragons, and other physical impossibilities at just about the same time and among the same people as produced these "eucharistic" tales.

What about ones that have happened recently?

I am not sure either way on this matter.

 

[Albion]

What about ones that have happened recently?

I am not sure either way on this matter.

I suppose I'd have to know which ones you have in mind. The face of the virgin on waffles or concrete stains is more the vogue today. The Golden Age of Eucharistic miracles seems to have been in the Middle Ages, but people at any time can have overactive imaginations. Again though, what did you have in mind?

One thing that might be asked by our Catholic friends is which among these has been proven to be miracles in the opinion of the Vatican, and which have not.

 

[WarriorAngel]

The OP miracle is still here today...but it occurred in the 800's i believe.

It was tested in the 70's and more recently.
It has been incorruptible since all that time.

 

[Secundulus]

I suppose I'd have to know which ones you have in mind. The face of the virgin on waffles or concrete stains is more the vogue today. The Golden Age of Eucharistic miracles seems to have been in the Middle Ages, but people at any time can have overactive imaginations. Again though, what did you have in mind?

One thing that might be asked by our Catholic friends is which among these has been proven to be miracles in the opinion of the Vatican, and which have not.

The ones on waffles and grilled cheese sandwiches I am sure are products of people's imaginations.

The one I had in mind, told to me by my Priest, is a few years ago when he was consecrating the host, both he and his deacon saw an image of Mary appear on the priest's host. Since I know him, and since two people saw it, I am not sure this is just imagination.

 

[WarriorAngel]

That would be awesome.

Wonder what to make of that?

 

[Albion]

The ones on waffles and grilled cheese sandwiches I am sure are products of people's imaginations.

The one I had in mind, told to me by my Priest, is a few years ago when he was consecrating the host, both he and his deacon saw an image of Mary appear on the priest's host. Since I know him, and since two people saw it, I am not sure this is just imagination.

Well, people see all kinds of things in shadows and textures. In any case, this doesn't seem to be one of the "eucharistic" miracles that the OP was talking about, but rather more of the current interest in Mary, no?

 

[Albion]

The OP miracle is still here today...but it occurred in the 800's i believe.

It was tested in the 70's and more recently.
It has been incorruptible since all that time.

Yes, these stories are legion. Do you have the answer to which ones have been pronounced genuine by the Vatican? You know that during the Middle Ages, every town's church wanted a top notch miracle or relic to bring in the tourist dollars.

 

[Akathist]

I wonder...because long ago I discussed this with an EO member ...Innerphyre.

He said that it is a sign of disbelief or a bad sign.

What i wonder, since apparently the monk was in unbelief that caused this to occur, but there are other miracles ...

Are there any noted miracles of Christ showing Himself in the Eucharist that has been recorded in the EO?

Yes, but again, they are a sign of something bad, so it is not something the Orthodox would widely publish as it would embarrass the parish it occured at.

But it has occured enough that there are written instructions about what to do if it does happen:

In the back of the Russian Priest's Service Book (Sluzhebnik) the following is found:


Quotation:

"If after the consecration of the bread & wine a miracle is revealed, ie, if the bread manifests the appearance of a child or the wine the appearance of blood, and if in a short time this appearance does not change, ie, if they do not appear again under the form of bread & wine, but if they remain thus without change, then let the priest not take communion because it is not the Body & Blood of Christ, but a miracle from God manifest only because of the lack of faith or some other reason."

http://www.monachos.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2458 I forgot to add that the Priest in this situation is to consult the Bishop about what to do. Typically, in the meantime they give instruction to the choir to repeat certain music and then they prepare the Eucharist again and leave the one that had the change in it to the side.

It may be possible that the members of the congregation are not informed of the event except if the Bishop feels that this is best. It appears certain that it is not a miracle that is celebrated.

Weeping icons are celebrated. The Holy Fire of Pascha in Jerusalem every year is celebrated. So, it is not as if we don't like miracles.