Enoch & Elijah?

[GregoryTurner]

Could the two witnesses Revelation talks about be Enoch & Elijah? This may be a dumb question, but I am not a smart person. Also, may I ask that those who respond not use big words as I am from the south and am quite slow. Thank you for your time
God's grace and peace be with you in the name of Jesus.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Could the two witnesses Revelation talks about be Enoch & Elijah?

GregoryTurner,
Revelation 11 doesn't identify the two witnesses. Revelation 11 is one of the more difficult passages to interpret.

Some think the two witnesses might be Enoch and Elijah, because neither man died.

Some think that they might be Moses and Elijah, because both these men performed the same type of miracles in the past.

Some believe these two witnesses are symbolic, and that they represent the witness of the church throughout its history.

Some think the two witnesses are two individuals living at the time spoken by Revelation rather than prophets from the past (That is the view that I hold).

All of the above views are possible.

The reason for two witnesses is found in the Old Testament law. The Old Testament law required two witnesses for a valid testimony (Deuteronomy 9:15). Jesus sent out disciples in pairs (Mark 6:7 and Luke 10:2). The early church also sent out disciples in pairs.


LDG

 

[GregoryTurner]

Interesting. That was just my thought about the witnesses. Very interesting response, and thank you very much for it. Bless you in the name of Jesus.

 

[Beasley]

Could the two witnesses Revelation talks about be Enoch & Elijah? This may be a dumb question, but I am not a smart person. Also, may I ask that those who respond not use big words as I am from the south and am quite slow. Thank you for your time
God's grace and peace be with you in the name of Jesus.

I tend to favor Moses and Elijah because it was Moses and Elijah that appeared with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration. While John the Baptist witnessed the first advent, the two witnesses introduce the second. Both Moses and Elijah are prophets of Israel whereas Enoch was not. The prophecies of the second advent tend to deal with Israel. In fact the great tribulation is called the time of Jacobs trouble. Enoch lived before the establishment of Israel.

 

[Jesusong]

We don't know who they are, but from what I know and believe, I'm not going to be here when they show up. So it's kind of useless to try to figure out their identities.

 

[mark kennedy]

Could the two witnesses Revelation talks about be Enoch & Elijah? This may be a dumb question, but I am not a smart person. Also, may I ask that those who respond not use big words as I am from the south and am quite slow. Thank you for your time
God's grace and peace be with you in the name of Jesus.

It actually makes a lot of sense, Elijah was basically the founding prophet of the Prophetic age. He boards his firey chariot and is taken bodily into heaven. It was believed the Elijah would come before the arrival of the Messiah, the Scriptures see to indicate this. When asked about this Jesus refered to John the Baptist and said that the spirit and power of Elijah has come.

The thing is verses can have overlaping meanings, there could be a literal arrival of Elijah physically testifying throughout the first half of the Tribulation. It could tie a lot of things together neatly but the prophecies about that are far from explicit.

Enoch is another great possibility that fits the bill. He was a prophet and he prophesied about the ungodly as an act of judgment prior to the Great Flood. Then he is 'translated' which probably means he was taken into heaven bodily. Some thing this was some kind of a rapture but he never was changed the way believers are 'translated' at the second coming.

Notice that they both wear sackcloth, one of the marks of a prophet. John wore one, if memory serves it was made of camel skin. Sackcloth and ashes were used at times of mourning and terrible grief. This indicates that the two wittnesses in the new Babylon of the Tribulation would be prophets. Elijah and Enoch seem to fit the bill, it's pretty sound Biblically.

 

[GregoryTurner]

It makes sense to me. I haven't entered the realm of deep theology because some of the theology people I meet are too smart for their own good and I do not want to be one of the ones that try to explain God right out of the bible. It makes sense because from what I have read so far, Enoch and Elijah are the only 2 people that have not had physical death yet. Thank you all for your responses... May God bless your time back to you 100 fold in the name of Jesus.

 

[Brian1040]

Could the two witnesses Revelation talks about be Enoch & Elijah? This may be a dumb question, but I am not a smart person. Also, may I ask that those who respond not use big words as I am from the south and am quite slow. Thank you for your time
God's grace and peace be with you in the name of Jesus.

No! Enoch and Elijah are dead and buried, and there is nothing in the scripture that says the two witnesses will be these two men. Enoch and Elijah will be resurrected at the return of Jesus, along with the other dead in Christ.

 

[JoelParks]

No! Enoch and Elijah are dead and buried, and there is nothing in the scripture that says the two witnesses will be these two men. Enoch and Elijah will be resurrected at the return of Jesus, along with the other dead in Christ.

IMHO, it's Moses & Elijah.
But what you say contradicts Scripture:




Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[GregoryTurner]

No! Enoch and Elijah are dead and buried, and there is nothing in the scripture that says the two witnesses will be these two men. Enoch and Elijah will be resurrected at the return of Jesus, along with the other dead in Christ.

II Kings 2:1-15
1. And it came to pass, when the Lord was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2. Then Elijah said to Elisha, "Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to Bethel.'' And Elisha said, "As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!'' So they went down to Bethel.
3. And the sons of the prophets who were at Bethel came out to Elisha, and said to him, "Do you know that the Lord will take away your master from over you today?'' And he said, "Yes, I know; keep silent!''
4. Then Elijah said to him, "Elisha, stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to Jericho.'' And he said, "As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!'' So they came to Jericho.
5. And the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho came to Elisha and said to him, "Do you know that the Lord will take away your master from over you today?'' So he answered, "Yes, I know; keep silent!''
6. Then Elijah said to him, "Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to the Jordan.'' And he said, "As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!'' So the two of them went on.
7. And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went and stood facing them at a distance, while the two of them stood by the Jordan.
8. Now Elijah took his mantle, rolled it up, and struck the water; and it was divided this way and that, so that the two of them crossed over on dry ground.
9. And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, "Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?'' And Elisha said, "Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.''
10. So he said, "You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so.''
11. Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12. Now Elisha saw it, and he cried out, "My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen!'' So he saw him no more. And he took hold of his own clothes and tore them into two pieces.
13. He also took up the mantle of Elijah that had fallen from him, and went back and stood by the bank of the Jordan.
14. Then he took the mantle of Elijah that had fallen from him, and struck the water, and said, "Where is the Lord God of Elijah?'' And when he also had struck the water, it was divided this way and that; and Elisha crossed over.
15. Now when the sons of the prophets who were from Jericho saw him, they said, "The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.'' And they came to meet him, and bowed to the ground before him.

Genesis 5:24
24. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

Where is it that these two died and were buried?

Revelation does not tell who the two witnesses were at all. Please sir, give something that tells where Enoch and Elijah died and were buried...

 

[marshgreencohen]

i think the two witnesses are people unwritten in the bible...they could be normal living persns today yet holy.O

 

[vinsight4u]

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[GregoryTurner]

thank you for that response...

 

[vinsight4u]

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[GregoryTurner]

Interesting.... really thank you for that information

 

[AngeliaTurner]

I also believe it will be Enoch and Elijah.

As we have read in the scriptures that Gregory posted neither one of these Prophets died a physical death. When the two witnesses return they will be killed and lay in the streets for three days and then will be raised again. So the two Prophets will experience a physical death. The Bible does say that there is a time to be born and a time to die. I believe that these two great men of God has an appointed time to die but God had to translate them to heaven untill the tribulation time is here. This is just my opinion and believe.

 

[AngCath]

I do not believe that the two witnesses are specific people. I think that they are symbolic of the Law and Prophets.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[JoelParks]

And I eliminate Moses as he died

Because he died is one of the reasons I see him as a possibility....

and that death came before he was alliowed to enter the promised land-

and yet he so had his heart and desire set on entering. You remember this, right?

I see God having pity in a very ironic way.

so Moses disappointed God, thus God would not use him for one of the two witnesses.

It had to happen the way it did for several reasons. One, being typologically. Moses was spoken of as the most humble man on earth, and talked with God face-to-face. He was a servant of the Lord.

For the one mishap, in all I don't think he disappointed God.

 

[JoelParks]

I've posted this before ad nauseum other places. Let me copy and paste it. It's not a rock solid proof of anything, merely 'proofs by parallel'... if that means anything.

At the very least, it shows the two witnesses will operate in the 'spirit and power' of Moses and Elijah, IMHO. Allthough, one cannot be dogmatic about such matters, and the two witnesses could even be people we've never heard of.











Revelation 11:3-13 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3 1/2 years), clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

• Moses - turned waters into blood (Exodus 7:17-21), commissioned plagues (Exodus chapters 7-12 : 10 plagues).
• Elijah - closed up heaven from rain for 3 1/2 years (James 5:17), called fire down upon enemies (2 Kings 1:10).

• Moses (and Israel) - supernaturally provided for with food by manna from heaven per the hand of God (Exodus 16:15-35).
• Elijah - supernaturally provided for with food by bread and flesh from ravens in the heavens per the hand of God (1 Kings 17:1-6).

• Moses - in mount 40 days Exodus 24:18.
• Elijah - in mount 40 days 1 Kings 19:8.

(Both Moses and Elijah were in the same mount [Mount Horeb] when they had a visitation from God.)

• Moses - Burning Bush from which God spoke audibly (Exodus 3:1-2).
• Elijah - Strong Wind, Earthquake, Fire, Still Small Voice (1 Kings 19:4-18).

(Both Moses and Elijah's departures from earth had God's hand directly involved in it; God buried Moses, Elijah caught up in chariot of fire.)

• Moses - God Buried Him (Deutereonomy 34:5-7).
• Elijah - God Took Him (2 Kings 2:11-12).

• Moses - departed from atop Mount Nebo in land of Moab (Deuteronomy 34:1-6).
• Elijah - traveled exactly that direction to his depature in land of Moab across from Mount Nebo (2 Kings 2:1-8).

• Moses was drawn out of the water from his infancy - Exodus 2:10.
  ("Moses" literally means 'taken out; drawn forth' - from the water.)
• Elijah was also taken out; drawn forth from this earth [in fire] - 2 Kings 2:11-12.

(Water [Genesis 6:17] - Fire [2 Peter 3:5-13] - Judgment of God with Earth.)

The Jordan River was divided just after Moses died, and divided once again just before Elijah was taken away.

• After Moses Died - Joshua 3:14-17.
• Before Elijah was taken - 2 Kings 2:7-9.

Jerusalem spiritually called Sodom and Egypt (Revelation 11:8).
Moses had figured from Egypt and it's courts (Acts 7:20-22) - connection?

• Moses representative of the - Law, Righteous Dead.
• Elijah representative of the - Prophets, Righteous Living.

Other people in Bible were dead only to die once again
(1 Kings 17:17-24, 2 Kings 13:21, Matthew 10:8, Luke 7:12-15, John chapter 11, Acts 20:9-10).

Enoch never figured into the development or a role of prominence concerning Israel
(was a Gentile as well).

Moses and Elijah did - thus -
appropiate Moses and Elijah deal with Israel in the time of "Jacob's Trouble".

The Law (Moses) and the Prophets (Elijah) a witness against/to Israel, testifying of who Christ is (For in the volume of the book it is written of HIM - Psalm 40:7).

Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ on Mount of Transfiguration.
(Matthew 17:1-13)

Mt. Transfiguration - Matthew chapter 17.
Consisted of:

• Jesus
• Moses
• Elijah

Jesus will return a second time (Revelation chapter 19)
Elijah will return a second time (Malachi chapter 4)
Why wouldn't Moses return a second time?




it will have been circa 3, 500 years since Moses/Israel were on the scene..

or, 3 1/2 'days' in God's eyes from between he was dead until he will have been raised to life again circa in this age.

2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Compare that with the Revelation scriptures posted of 3 1/2's..

And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.