Earth in hot water? Worries over sudden ocean warming spike

[Wings like Eagles]

How much do we have to pay to fix the issue and if we double that can we cool the ocean a little so there is less chance of it boiling again?

 

[pgp_protector]

Why am I not surprised at the general dismissing post in this thread?

 

[Larniavc]

Then explain

From one of the posted link's references. I chose it because it is succinct.

The oceans play a pivotal role in the global climate system by absorbing and redistributing both heat and carbon dioxide.14,15 Since the Third National Climate Assessment (NCA3),16 understanding of the physical, chemical, and biological conditions in the oceans has increased, allowing for improved detection, attribution, and projection of the influence of human-caused carbon emissions on oceans and marine resources.

Human-caused carbon emissions influence ocean ecosystems through three main processes: ocean warming, acidification, and deoxygenation. Warming is the most obvious and well-documented impact of climate change on the ocean. Ocean surface waters have warmed on average 1.3° ± 0.1°F (0.7° ± 0.08°C) per century globally between 1900 and 2016, and more than 90% of the extra heat linked to carbon emissions is contained in the ocean.15 This warming impacts sea levels, ocean circulation, stratification (density contrast between the surface and deeper waters), productivity, and, ultimately, entire ecosystems. Changes in temperature in the ocean and in the atmosphere alter ocean currents and wind patterns, which influence the seasonality, abundance, and diversity of phytoplankton and zooplankton communities that support ocean food webs.17,18

In addition to warming, excess carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has a direct and independent effect on the chemistry of the ocean. When CO2 dissolves in seawater, it changes three aspects of ocean chemistry.15,19,20,21 First, it increases dissolved CO2 and bicarbonate ions, which are used by algae and plants as the fuel for photosynthesis, potentially benefiting many of these species. Second, it increases the concentration of hydrogen ions, acidifying the water. Acidity is measured with the pH scale, with lower values indicating more acidic conditions. Third, it reduces the concentration of carbonate ions. Carbonate is a critical component of calcium carbonate, which is used by many marine organisms to form their shells or skeletons. The saturation state of calcium carbonate is expressed as the term Ω. When the concentration of carbonate ions in ocean water is low enough to yield Ω < 1 (referred to as undersaturated conditions), exposed calcium carbonate structures begin to dissolve. For simplicity, the terms ocean acidification and acidifying will refer to the suite of chemical changes discussed above.

Increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere are also causing a decline in ocean oxygen concentrations.15 Deoxygenation is linked to ocean warming through the direct influence of temperature on oxygen solubility (warm water holds less oxygen). Warming of the ocean surface creates an enhanced vertical density contrast, which reduces the transfer of oxygen below the surface. Ecosystem changes related to temperature and stratification further influence oxygen dynamics by altering photosynthesis and respiration.22,23

All three of these processes—warming, acidification, and deoxygenation—interact with one another and with other stressors in the ocean environment. For example, nitrogen fertilizer running off the land and entering the Gulf of Mexico through the Mississippi River stimulates algal blooms that eventually decay, creating a large dead zone of water with very low oxygen24,25 and, simultaneously, low pH.26 Warmer conditions at the surface slow down the rate at which oxygen is replenished, magnifying the impact of the dead zone. Changes in temperature in the ocean and in the atmosphere affect ocean currents and wind patterns that can alter the dynamics of phytoplankton blooms,17 which then drive low-oxygen and low-pH events in coastal waters.

Transformations in ocean ecosystems are already impacting the U.S. economy and the coastal communities, cultures, and businesses that depend on ocean ecosystems (Key Message 1). Fisheries provide the most tangible economic benefit of the ocean. While the impact of warming on fish stocks is becoming more severe, there has also been progress in adapting fisheries management to a changing climate (Key Message 2). Finally, the ability for climate-related changes in ocean conditions to impact the United States was made especially clear by major marine heat wave events that occurred along the Northeast Coast in 2012 and along the entire West Coast in 2014–2016 (Key Message 3). During these events, the regions experienced high ocean temperatures similar to the average conditions expected later this century under future climate scenarios. Ecosystem changes included the appearance of warm-water species, increased mortality of marine mammals, and an unprecedented harmful algal bloom, and these factors combined to produce economic stress in some of the Nation’s most valuable fisheries.

Fourth National Climate Assessment: Chapter 9: Oceans and Marine Resources

This report is an authoritative assessment of the science of climate change, with a focus on the United States. It represents the second of two volumes of the Fourth National Climate Assessment, mandated by the Global Change Research Act of 1990.

nca2018.globalchange.gov

 

[returntosender]

Worries over sudden ocean warming spike​

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The world's oceans have suddenly spiked much hotter and well above record levels in the last few weeks, with scientists trying to figure out what it means and whether it forecasts a surge in atmospheric warming.​

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Some researchers think the jump in sea surface temperatures stems from a brewing and possibly strong natural El Nino warming weather condition plus a rebound from three years of a cooling La Nina, all on top of steady global warming that is heating deeper water below. If that's the case, they said, record-breaking ocean temperatures this month could be the first in many heat records to shatter.​

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From early March to this week, the global average ocean sea surface temperature jumped nearly two-tenths of a degree Celsius (0.36 degree Fahrenheit), according to the University of Maine's Climate Reanalyzer, which climate scientists use and trust. That may sound small, but for the average of the world's oceans — which is 71% of Earth's area —to rise so much in that short a time, “that's huge,” said University of Colorado climate scientist Kris Karnauskas. “That's an incredible departure from what was already a warm state to begin with.”​

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Climate scientists have been talking about the warming on social media and amongst themselves. Some, like University of Pennsylvania's Michael Mann, quickly dismiss concerns by saying it is merely a growing El Nino on top of a steady human-caused warming increase....​

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“La Nina's temporary grip on rising global temperatures has been released,” NOAA oceanographer Mike McPhaden said in an email. “One result is that March 2023 was the second highest March on record for global mean surface temperatures."​

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If El Nino makes its heavily forecasted appearance later this year “what we are seeing now is just a prelude to more records that are in the pipeline,” McPhaden wrote.​

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Karnauskas said what's likely to happen will be an “acceleration” of warming after the heat has been hidden for a few years.​

Why worry? We're not going to be here if it happens anyway.

 

[AV1611VET]

How much do we have to pay to fix the issue and if we double that can we cool the ocean a little so there is less chance of it boiling again?

I remember when Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the Einsteins in the news warned about setting the oil fields on fire.

They said it would block out the sun and ruin the earth.

Well, guess what?

Hussein took science's advice and set the oil fields on fire.

And guess what?

Genesis 8:22 ruled again!

You can't outrun God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why worry? We're not going to be here if it happens anyway.

What? Me worry?

 

[Wings like Eagles]

I liked what Trump had to say, something like, biggest scam ever is to tax the weather.

Actually I am putting money on the next Ice Age, remember when we used to hear nothing other ...... it was before global warming, then climate change.

 

[Frank Robert]

I liked what Trump had to say, something like, biggest scam ever is to tax the weather.

Trump is a master at making misleading statements to advance his political agenda by appealing to his base with impulsive and inflammatory remarks.These tactics contribute to a culture of climate denial and misinformation, making it more difficult for policymakers and the public to take effective action to address the issue.

It is widely known that the fossil fuel industry has been a major donor to Donald Trump's political campaigns. During his 2016 campaign, Trump received significant financial support from the oil and gas industry, which contributed over $10 million to his campaign. This made the fossil fuel industry one of the largest donors to Trump's campaign. Cha ching!

Actually I am putting money on the next Ice Age, remember when we used to hear nothing other ...... it was before global warming, then climate change.

You will need to get through the warming cycle first so be pared for a very long wait. The Earth's climate has historically undergone cycles of cooling and warming, with ice ages occurring roughly every 100,000 years.

 

[Nithavela]

Haha, I love it. Finally we can get that human extinction on the road. Thank you all for participating in our richly deserved and hopefuly painful end.

 

[eclipsenow]

Here's the table of contents from a program on the History Channel:

1. Early Inklings That Humans Can Alter Global Climate
2. The Greenhouse Effect
3. Greenhouse Gasses
4. Welcoming a Warmer Earth
5. Keeling Curve
6. s Scare - A Cooling Earth
7. Global Warming Gets Real
8. IPCC
9. Kyoto Protocol: United States In, Then Out
10. 'An Inconvenient Truth'
11. Paris Climate Agreement: United States In, Then Out
12. Greta Thunberg And Climate Strikes
13. Sources

SOURCE

I remember once seeing a comic strip that showed a woman looking out the window at an approaching tornado.

Husband: Quick! Let's get in the basement!
Wife: Can't! Radon gas!
Husband: Then let's get in the bathroom!
Wife: Can't! Lead in the pipes!
Husband: Then let's get in the attic!
Wife: Can't! Asbestos in the ceiling!

So they just sit down and ride it out.

Hmmm - as I said to you last time -

Your actions are speaking so loudly I can't hear your words.

Climate change is running according to demonstrable physics we can repeat in any decent physics lab on the planet.
Climate change is real.
The threats are real - but God in his goodness has provided smart people who are figuring out the answers.
Sure - he wants his church to read his word and trust him and seek first his kingdom. But we also have a moral duty to love our neighbour and honour God by protecting the world he made. But all you can do is sit on the sidelines and sneer - tossing in bizarre and irrelevant strawman arguments to boot. It's a bad witness, pure and simple.

 

[eclipsenow]

I liked what Trump had to say, something like, biggest scam ever is to tax the weather.

As they say in Australia - "Yeah, nah." I wish Trump had owned and used a dictionary.​

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weather:​

: the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness

climate:​

: the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and precipitation

Weather = today.
Climate = this decade. Get it?

Actually I am putting money on the next Ice Age, remember when we used to hear nothing other ...... it was before global warming, then climate change.

Oh this AGAIN! Every climate thread some one pushes this ridiculous myth. As I always say - climate deniers don't debate - they rotate. They stay well back from the actual battlefield of ideas - and never once read anything outside their Alt-right comfort zone. They just fire in accusations from well behind the front lines of actual discussion, like a gunner firing artillery into a battlespace blindly, without any knowledge of what's going on or if he's hitting the mark.

Here's a little reality for you.

People remember media hype, not the state of the actual science. Have you read a summary of climate science from the 1970's? The science was that the majority of papers predicted warming. Indeed, the warming power of CO2 was confirmed by Eunice Foote in 1856. Only 10% of papers in the 1970's predicted cooling, and of them, lead authors soon retracted their work. It was all a misunderstanding about how much the sulfur in coal reflected the sunlight away. It's still valid science, and we might use "Solar Radiation Management" by flying dust up 20km to reflect a tiny amount of sunlight to cool the earth. But the math was complex - and the lead author soon admitted he got it wrong. But the media went CRAZY with it - and did not reflect what the majority of papers were saying. So NO - climate science did NOT as a majority predict cooling in the 1970s! That's just factually incorrect.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Indeed, so many predicted warming that movies like Soylent Green showed global warming. The Bell Telephone company basically predicted catastrophic climate change in 1958!

It's just the direction of the science, overall. But go ahead and quote a few minority papers whose AUTHORS quickly recanted. Cherrypicking is just what Deniers do.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I remember when Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the Einsteins in the news warned about setting the oil fields on fire.

They said it would block out the sun and ruin the earth.

Well, guess what?

Hussein took science's advice and set the oil fields on fire.

And guess what?

Genesis 8:22 ruled again!

You can't outrun God.

Anything to avoid the actual issues, right?

 

[eclipsenow]

Anything to avoid the actual issues, right?

I remember when Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the Einsteins in the news warned about setting the oil fields on fire.

They said it would block out the sun and ruin the earth.

Quotes please! Which verified climate scientists said what, exactly?
Because - God knows if you're cherry-picking.
Hint: that's deception by misquoting.

Well, guess what?

Hussein took science's advice and set the oil fields on fire.

And guess what?

You misquoted science...

Genesis 8:22 ruled again!

After the flood, God’s promise to Noah (Genesis 8:22) reads:
"As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease."

Some Christians try to read this as a guarantee that God would never let any significant famines occur. But before Genesis itself finishes we see 3 famines - the 2 mentioned in Chapter 26 and the horrendous one famous as “Joseph’s famine” that helps make him Prime Minister of Egypt. Genesis 41:59: "When the famine had spread over the whole country, Joseph opened all the storehouses and sold grain to the Egyptians, for the famine was severe throughout Egypt. 57 And all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe everywhere."

English comprehension time: what kind of famine was in Genesis 41?
Total.
For 7 years.
Across the known world.
From Genesis itself!

Did you know the climate scientists "only" talk about our crops being reduced 25% by 2050? Going down to 75% of normal output across our known world? So the Genesis famine was vastly worse than what climatologists are currently modelling.

So whatever the promise after Noah’s (highly symbolic) flood means, it is no protection against truly huge famines. Rather, Noah’s flood is highly symbolic and highly structured. It’s one of the most famous examples of the (originally Hebrew) writing form called Chiastic structure. Chiastic structure is many things - but it is rarely to be read literally. Beowulf is written in Chiastic structure. Chiastic structure - Wikipedia

Rather - it is a promise that the world will not be ‘uncreated’ as per the highly theological interpretation of whatever that ancient Middle Eastern flood actually was. There is a pattern here. God was resetting the world - but this time with a human saviour and his family. It's a pattern thing, setting us up to understand a future saviour.

Here’s a great podcast on the flood. The Flood - Undeceptions

For more on the Genre of the first chapter of Genesis and the creation narrative, try: The genre of Genesis 1: an historical approach - Centre for Public Christianity More at his podcast. Six Days - Undeceptions

You can't outrun God.

You can't outrun Genesis 41!

 

[Wings like Eagles]

How long till the Polar Bears run out of ice again......the timing keeps changing and I cannot keep up with the latest. How much do we have to pay to keep enough ice for them, and if we pay more can we get some extra ice for the Bears to play on.

 

[eclipsenow]

How long till the Polar Bears run out of ice again......the timing keeps changing and I cannot keep up with the latest. How much do we have to pay to keep enough ice for them, and if we pay more can we get some extra ice for the Bears to play on.

How funny.
You didn't even pretend to attempt to answer the facts of climate history I presented to you. You just did EXACTLY what I predicted, and fired Denier Myth number 2. But not so fast. You still haven't answered that you understand the dictionary definition of weather and climate - and the FACT that "they" didn't predict an ice age - about 10% of them did - and soon admitted they got their maths wrong. So we're not playing "Chase the Denier's breadcrumbs" until we deal with that first breadcrumb, OK? Definitions. Ice Age. It's your move.

As they say in Australia - "Yeah, nah." I wish Trump had owned and used a dictionary.​

weather:​

: the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness

climate:​

: the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and precipitation

Weather = today.
Climate = this decade. Get it?

Actually I am putting money on the next Ice Age, remember when we used to hear nothing other ...... it was before global warming, then climate change.

Oh this AGAIN! Every climate thread some one pushes this ridiculous myth. As I always say - climate deniers don't debate - they rotate. They stay well back from the actual battlefield of ideas - and never once read anything outside their Alt-right comfort zone. They just fire in accusations from well behind the front lines of actual discussion, like a gunner firing artillery into a battlespace blindly, without any knowledge of what's going on or if he's hitting the mark.

Here's a little reality for you.

People remember media hype, not the state of the actual science. Have you read a summary of climate science from the 1970's? The science was that the majority of papers predicted warming. Indeed, the warming power of CO2 was confirmed by Eunice Foote in 1856. Only 10% of papers in the 1970's predicted cooling, and of them, lead authors soon retracted their work. It was all a misunderstanding about how much the sulfur in coal reflected the sunlight away. It's still valid science, and we might use "Solar Radiation Management" by flying dust up 20km to reflect a tiny amount of sunlight to cool the earth. But the math was complex - and the lead author soon admitted he got it wrong. But the media went CRAZY with it - and did not reflect what the majority of papers were saying. So NO - climate science did NOT as a majority predict cooling in the 1970s! That's just factually incorrect.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Indeed, so many predicted warming that movies like Soylent Green showed global warming. The Bell Telephone company basically predicted catastrophic climate change in 1958!

It's just the direction of the science, overall. But go ahead and quote a few minority papers whose AUTHORS quickly recanted. Cherrypicking is just what Deniers do.

 

[eclipsenow]

Who knows? We might get lucky this year.​

According to NOAA there is a four in 10 chance El Niño will be 'strong' with ocean temperatures along the equator exceeding 1.5C above the baseline average, well above the BOM's El Niño threshold of 0.8C above average.​

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This would represent only the second 'strong' El Niño of the past 25 years.

First El Niño in eight years becoming more likely, increasing chance of dry, warm weather

A US federal department is predicting the probability of El Niño as now close to 80 per cent, and the weather pattern could be one of the strongest in decades, increasing the odds of drier and warmer weather across eastern Australia.

www.abc.net.au

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[Nithavela]

Who knows? We might get lucky this year.​

According to NOAA there is a four in 10 chance El Niño will be 'strong' with ocean temperatures along the equator exceeding 1.5C above the baseline average, well above the BOM's El Niño threshold of 0.8C above average.​

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This would represent only the second 'strong' El Niño of the past 25 years.​

First El Niño in eight years becoming more likely, increasing chance of dry, warm weather

A US federal department is predicting the probability of El Niño as now close to 80 per cent, and the weather pattern could be one of the strongest in decades, increasing the odds of drier and warmer weather across eastern Australia.

www.abc.net.au

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40 % chance is fine with me.

 

[Astrid]

Oh no, the ocean is heating up by half a degree. It's the end of the world.

One and one and one is three.

 

[AV1611VET]

One and one and one is three.

Yes.

The Trinity will protect the earth.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[eclipsenow]

Yes.

The Trinity will protect the earth.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Who said the EARTH needs protecting? That's a strawman.
Which climatologist said that SEEDTIME as a WHOLE would disappear? That's a strawman.
Which climatologist said WINTER would disappear as a whole? That's a strawman.
Which climatologist said NIGHT would disappear? That's a strawman.

With all these strawman attacks - are you sure you're not bearing false witness against thousands of scientists - many of whom are Christians?

Also, you never explained why the rest of Genesis has things that sound worse than climate change!

41:59: "When the famine had spread over the whole country, Joseph opened all the storehouses and sold grain to the Egyptians, for the famine was severe throughout Egypt. 57 And all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe everywhere."

English comprehension time: what kind of famine was in Genesis 41? Total. For 7 years. Across the known world. From Genesis itself!

Did you know the climate scientists "only" talk about our crops being reduced 25% by 2050? Going down to 75% of normal output across our known world? So the Genesis famine was vastly worse than what climatologists are currently modelling.