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stray bullet,
I would think that for a Latin name one should use Roman numerals, for a Greek name Greek numerals, for a Hebrew name Hebrew numerals, and for an English name English numerals.
One thing about Ellen White is that, as far as I know, no one ever claimed that she wore her name on her forehead or was a high priest or wore a miter.
Regarding the following quote from John Paul II's book:
Does "takes the place" mean anything more than "ambassador" or "representative"? Or is that all it means within Catholicism and all it meant to John Paul?
Isn't "Pontifex Maximus" the equivalent of "high priest"?Just so you know, the Pope doesn't have his name on his forehead and isn't the High Priest. In Catholicism, Jesus is the High Priest.
Isn't "Pontifex Maximus" the equivalent of "high priest"?
Aaron in Exodus was said to have the golden plate on his forehead when it was on his miter. Thus something being on a miter was said to be on the forehead.
Since Our Sunday Visitor said that Vicarius Filii Dei was on the miter, I would think that would put it on his forehead.
In Catholicism, would Jesus also be the head of the church? I would think that would be the case, even as Jesus is the chief cornerstone, as Peter puts it in one of his epistles. Yet somehow Peter and the popes end up with the same "titles." How does that work? Because they are His representatives?
Isn't "Pontifex Maximus" the equivalent of "high priest"?
Aaron in Exodus was said to have the golden plate on his forehead when it was on his miter. Thus something being on a miter was said to be on the forehead.
Since Our Sunday Visitor said that Vicarius Filii Dei was on the miter, I would think that would put it on his forehead.
In Catholicism, would Jesus also be the head of the church? I would think that would be the case, even as Jesus is the chief cornerstone, as Peter puts it in one of his epistles. Yet somehow Peter and the popes end up with the same "titles." How does that work? Because they are His representatives?
According to Catholic authorities, the Pope is not just a mere human priest,
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." ---Pope Leo XIII
...but for the mystical apology she made of the apostolic office of the successor of Peter. Who can forget it? She saw in him "the sweet Christ on earth," to whom is owed filial love and obedience, because, "He who will be disobedient to Christ on earth, who stands in the stead of Christ in heaven, will not share in the fruit of the blood of the Son of God." And, anticipating not only the teaching but the very language of Vatican II, the Saint wrote to Pope Urban VI, "Most holy Father . . . ---Homily by Pope Paul VI on October 1, 1970,
... In founders and foundresses we see a constant and lively sense of the Church, which they manifest by their full participation in all aspects of the Church's life, and in their ready obedience to the Bishops and especially to the Roman Pontiff. Against this background of love towards Holy Church, "the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope", the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth", the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: "I am a daughter of the Church". --- Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation VITA CONSECRATA
"The Pope is the supreme judge of hte law of the land. He is the Vicar of Christ and he is not only a priest forever but is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!" ---Lacivlica Catlica.
"The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a man but as it were God and the Vicar of God. The Pope is called Most Holy because he is rightfully resumed to be such, Pope alone called the Most Holy because he alone is the Vicar of Christ who is the fountain, an source of all holiness. He is likewise the supreme emperor and the King of Kings. Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions. Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman pontiff by no means only pertain to heavenly things but to earthly things and to things under the earth but is even over angels of whom he is greater but if it were possible for angels to error of the faith or contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope. The Pope as it were God on earth so sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief King of Kings, having plentitude of power. "---Catholic Dictionary, 1918.
"God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priest, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution...The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it." ---Dignity and Duties of the Priest. Vol 12, p2.
Pontifex Maximus was the title of the pagan high priest of the Ancient Roman College of Pontiffs.
Pontifex Maximus means the supreme bridge builder between mortality and immortality.
How did the Pope get this title? I thought only Jesus is the bridge, the way.
No. It means supreme pontiff, which obviously makes sense.
It does not appear on any of the pope's miters.
Columbia Encyclopia, Sixth Edition, 2001-05
Pontifex Maximus: highest priest of Roman religion and official head of the college of pontifices. As the chief administrator of religious affairs he regulated the conduct of religious ceremonies, consecrated temples and other holy places, and controlled the calendar. During the time of the empire, and until Christianity became firmly established, the emperor was designated pontifex maximus. After the supremacy of Christianity, the popes assumed the title.
Can you show me one publication a pope wrote using that? It doesn't actually matter, because it is not his title.'Our Sunday Visitor' April 15th, 1915 edition disagrees with that.
There are dozens of Catholic publications some written by popes themselves quoted Vicarius Filii Dei as the pope's title.
Pontifex means "Pontiff", Maximus means "Supreme". Pontiff was a Latin word for a religious or political leader.
If all these quotes were one sentence, I'd say maybe they were taken out of context. But these are paragraphs. Can you show what they really meant in the context?The problem with these quotes is that someone went around snipping people out of context to try and make the pope out to be something he is not.
The Catholic Church has a well documented and explained philosophy and dogma of beliefs. Any Catholic can open up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and find a series of messages on what the Church teaches on a variety of topics.
The problem is, people can't find fault with what we actually believe. So they basically make out some kind of conspiracy theory, as though the Church *really* believes one thing, which is secretly only revealed through snipped quotes from obscure books and sources.
Such assertions about what the Church thinks and teaches seem absurd to Catholics, because they blatantly contradict thousands upon thousands of quotes and resources regarding what we actually believe.
Regarding the pope, the Church actually believes:
The pope is the successor of Saint Peter.
He is the Earthly head of the Church. Jesus is the full head of the Church and the high priest. The Pope leads the Church as a representative or ambassador of Christ until His return. However, the Pope will always fall short because he is only a man.
The pope's status is that of an apostle, because we believe he is the successor of one of the original ones. So while he is a leader and leads in Christ physical absence, he is just a man.
If all these quotes were one sentence, I'd say maybe they were taken out of context. But these are paragraphs. Can you show what they really meant in the context?
Peter was never a pope. Peter wasn't even the head of the church of Jerusalem. Read Acts15.
Jesus Himself said He would send the holy spirit in His absence, not a mortal man.
If you have time to read some interesting rhetoric on this here is some veggie burger to chew on.
http://remnantprophecy.sdaglobal.org/Librarypdf/RCC&history/Vicarius-Felii-Dei.pdf
I find it hard to accept something that was taught as fact for so long was actually a fabrication. According to the author of the article above the insignia was removed around 25 years ago. Why would they do that?
God Bless
Jim Larmore
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