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Was that “impartation” or a ceremony? I say it was a ceremony to publicly and officially transfer leadership to Joshua like they still do today in corporations. I think it’s call installation ceremonies.

~Jim


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Doesn't sound like a simple ceremony.

Deuteronomy 34

9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses.
 
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I've never heard of something specifically called "the doctrine of impartation" however; according to the definition of impartation, it seems to me the entire bible is about impartation.

Impart-1.to make known; tell; relate; disclose: to impart a secret. 2.to give; bestow; communicate: to impart knowledge. 3.to grant a part or share of. –verb (used without object) 4.to grant a part or share; give.
Some verses to consider.

Romans 1:11
For I am yearning to see you, that I may impart and share with you some spiritual gift to strengthen and establish you;

1 Corinthians 2:6
Yet when we are among the full-grown (spiritually mature Christians who are ripe in understanding), we do impart a [higher] wisdom (the knowledge of the divine plan previously hidden); but it is indeed not a wisdom of this present age or of this world nor of the leaders and rulers of this age, who are being brought to nothing and are doomed to pass away.

1 Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect the gift which is in you, [that special inward endowment] which was directly imparted to you [by the Holy Spirit] by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you [at your ordination].

Hebrews 2:4
[Besides this evidence] it was also established and plainly endorsed by God, Who showed His approval of it by signs and wonders and various miraculous manifestations of [His] power and by imparting the gifts of the Holy Spirit [to the believers] according to His own will.
 
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I've never heard of something specifically called "the doctrine of impartation" however; according to the definition of impartation, it seems to me the entire bible is about impartation.

Impart-1.to make known; tell; relate; disclose: to impart a secret. 2.to give; bestow; communicate: to impart knowledge. 3.to grant a part or share of. –verb (used without object) 4.to grant a part or share; give.
Some verses to consider.

Romans 1:11
For I am yearning to see you, that I may impart and share with you some spiritual gift to strengthen and establish you;

1 Corinthians 2:6
Yet when we are among the full-grown (spiritually mature Christians who are ripe in understanding), we do impart a [higher] wisdom (the knowledge of the divine plan previously hidden); but it is indeed not a wisdom of this present age or of this world nor of the leaders and rulers of this age, who are being brought to nothing and are doomed to pass away.

1 Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect the gift which is in you, [that special inward endowment] which was directly imparted to you [by the Holy Spirit] by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you [at your ordination].

Hebrews 2:4
[Besides this evidence] it was also established and plainly endorsed by God, Who showed His approval of it by signs and wonders and various miraculous manifestations of [His] power and by imparting the gifts of the Holy Spirit [to the believers] according to His own will.

So the word “impart” is in the Amplified Bible. But where do those verses say that we can “impart” (convey) a spiritual gift or calling or anointing on someone else? Those verses say that the Holy Spirit (1 Tim 4.14) and God (Hebrews 2.4) imparts the gifts, not people, and He does it as He wills, not as we will, as it is being done today.

Romans 1.11 and 1 Corn. 2.6 simply say that Paul was able to give (i.e., share, impart) his gifting to ‘the Romans and, through his teaching, wisdom to the Corinthians.

None of these scriptures support the modern “doctrine of impartation.” It simply took a high-sounding biblical word, redefined it, wrenched it out of context, packaged it in God-talk, twisted it to fit a man-made doctrine and sold it wholesale to the itchy-eared masses.

~Jim


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I'm just curious, because your OP seems to be asking what it is..........
I keep hearing about the "doctrine of impartation." Apparently it is a new doctrine. Can someone tell us, from your understanding, just what the Doctrine of Impartation actually is?

Do you believe in it? Why? Why not?

But you seem to know more about it than most people responding...........as I said I've never heard of the phrase "doctrine of impartation" or a teaching on it........I do know the whole bible is about impartation.

But I'd like to know your take on "Doctrine of Impartation".
 
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So the word “impart” is in the Amplified Bible. But where do those verses say that we can “impart” (convey) a spiritual gift or calling or anointing on someone else? Those verses say that the Holy Spirit (1 Tim 4.14) and God (Hebrews 2.4) imparts the gifts, not people, and He does it as He wills, not as we will, as it is being done today.




Great scriptural references from Charityagape, allow me to define in bold some instances showing how the Holy Spirit uses God's family to impart to each other from Him:



Romans 1:11
For I am yearning to see you, that I may impart and share with you some spiritual gift to strengthen and establish you;

1 Corinthians 2:6
Yet when we are among the full-grown (spiritually mature Christians who are ripe in understanding), we do impart a [higher] wisdom (the knowledge of the divine plan previously hidden); but it is indeed not a wisdom of this present age or of this world nor of the leaders and rulers of this age, who are being brought to nothing and are doomed to pass away.

1 Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect the gift which is in you, [that special inward endowment] which was directly imparted to you [by the Holy Spirit] by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you [at your ordination].



Yes, the Holy Spirit does it, but we have been given a part to play sometimes.
 
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I'm just curious, because your OP seems to be asking what it is..........


But you seem to know more about it than most people responding...........as I said I've never heard of the phrase "doctrine of impartation" or a teaching on it........I do know the whole bible is about impartation.

But I'd like to know your take on "Doctrine of Impartation".

Yep. Since I posted the OP a couple of days ago, I’ve been doing my homework and surfing for information on the ’net. Some eye-opening stuff about “impartation.”

Ain’t the Internet great!!

As for my take on the Doctrine, I think it is just another ploy to elevate men in the eyes of ordinary people (i.e., peons) by “imparting” some imagined exceptional gifting/calling/anointing on them to make them “special.” Only the doctrine is bogus to anybody willing to look into the Bible.

~Jim

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Ain’t the Internet great!!


:amen:


I still don't know about any "doctine" of impartation, all i know is, something of God happens - even over the internet...people give and receive so much to each other spiritually, just another way of working, different from how He works with us when we're face to face maybe, but still good.

God is so good to us, even those of us isolated from contact with Spirit-filled churches - you all bless me so much here!
 
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Jim, you didn't really answer my question, you just said it was bogus. Anyways from a biblical standpoint and not an internet standpoint, do you believe that by the laying on of hands spiritual gifts can be imparted or transferred?

Like Moses and Joshua? (although you mentioned that was mere ceremony, but I disagree) Or Paul and Timothy?
 
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I still strongly believe this impartation phase is the reaction by so many long-time pastors and teachers after spending so much time preparing sermons week after week, and sometimes day by day. They are tired of preparing messages, and always having some new thing to share. Why? Because mere listening is simply are not meeting the desperated needs of believers.

Sure, there are a few places where a Charismatic can actually find balanced teaching -- not many, but there are a few nonetheless. Yet, needs are not being met by study, or by methodologies formed by the use of Bible verses. Believers are dying in large numbers because they are not being healed and/or delivered.

So, this desire for impartation by today's "leadership" is an understandable reaction, but one that does necessitate searching the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

Dave
 
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I don't believe impartation is a leadership issue. It's a spiritual issue. We are all involved.

I'm begining to wonder if some people around here have put me on "ignore" or else what I've been trying to say is making no sense to you.

Butting out of the thread now, I'm evidently not connecting.



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Was that “impartation” or a ceremony? I say it was a ceremony to publicly and officially transfer leadership to Joshua like they still do today in corporations. I think it’s call installation ceremonies.

~Jim



It has taken me all my life to understand that I don’t have to understand everything.
I repectively disagree. Moses prayed and something happened to Joshua. He did receive a (imo) a bigger anointing. Same with Elijah and Elisah. It wasn't a transfer. They prayed and imparted something.

CharityAgape. WELL done looking up the definition. I don't believe it is a doctrine, but a teaching. But either way, good stuff.
 
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I must try harder! :p

I'm glad you can see me after all, was starting to worry there! :wave:

I would never put you or anyone else on “ignore.” Somehow, ignoring people who disagree with you, even those you judge to be obnoxious, is not in the spirit of Christianity.

~Jim

It has taken me all my life to understand that I don’t have to understand everything.
 
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Sorry that you have accused me of being a liar and false, but what I posted is the exact Scriptures from the NKJV.

Therefore, show me where I am lying, or I have misunderstood those Scriptures.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.


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The ability “to impart”, “to share”, “to give” charismatic gifts was the sole realm of an Apostle. We see Simon preaching to the Samaritans but when the time came fro them to receive the Holy Spirit, Simon had to allow Peter to do this ministry by saying, “’Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’ But Peter said to him, ‘Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you’” (Acts 8:19-22).

Here are those verses again...

In context...

Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the
same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria,
giving out that himself was some great one:
8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying,
This man is the great power of God.
8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had
bewitched them with sorceries.
8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the
kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,
both men and women.
8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he
continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and
signs which were done.
8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that
Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter
and John:
8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might
receive the Holy Ghost:
8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy
Ghost.
8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands
the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands,
he may receive the Holy Ghost.
8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou
hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not
right in the sight of God.
8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps
the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond
of iniquity.
8:24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that
none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Simon wasn't "preaching" as you stated...

imo he thought he had found a new ability to add to his repertoire...

He believed because of the preaching of Phillip...

And also wondered after the signs and miracles that were going on in the congregation...

Then Peter and John came down...

And when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given by the laying on of the apostles' hands...

He desired that ability...

He was a sorcerer before he believed...

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night
unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the
Jews.
17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they
received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the
scriptures daily, whether those things were so
.
17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honorable women which
were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
 
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